Zep is gonna be a Top Shooter, as expected from "The King"

In the meantime I expect the criticism of Zep to keep flying until we see some get released.

Right now I'll play some IMDN with 1.08 Code that just dropped

While I patiently wait for my GnR

AIQ is a crazy shot making “flow fest”

Elwin is the new King. Lol

It's not the best shooting game. The skill shot is kind of flawed, the songs are basically all hurry-ups, very Guitar Hero. Kind of weird.

But the presentation is top notch. Zep just looks empty, like they're trying to force Steve to retire with shit BOMs.

Kings don't retire bro.

It's gonna have to be regicide.

A new word!
Thanks!

Dude you are delusional

Bought ST for Christmas for the family and it’s a good fun game that gives me that one more game feel. Now waiting for Elvira to be made and hopefully a LZ ends up in Arizona on route so I can try it. Still not happy with the direction LZ went. Wish I was a bigger GnR fan.

Much like a zeppelin Sterns new pin is filled mostly with air. It's just so empty. I don't think my theories are that crazy look how much they gave Elwin for JP.

The art is also.... Ug. At least Aerosmith let them be creative. This is style guide drop and place cranked to 11. You could say the same for the GNR album art cab but it looks nice in person.

GNR is "execution above theme", whereas from what we've seen Zep is only for hardcore fans of the band.

Back up bro he already said GnR’s kicks ass!!!Give it up Capt.Stern

How so? See the post by Ben above me where he says "its not the best shooting game".

A few posts ago you think he's right on target now he's not because you disagree?

Game doesnt play that great... if it did i would have one.

It doesnt suck by any stretch but the package is way better than the play.

You're giving these people WAY too much of your time. I agree with everything you say, but at this point, it's like Democrats and Republicans arguing. What's the point? Go enjoy your Christmas, remember what's really important (and comparing artwork on pinball machines ain't it!), and enjoy being alive. And I love Elwin's designs, btw. And Ritchie's. And Borg's. And that punk kid from JJP whose name escapes me now. LOL!

Lol. That pretty much sums up a majority of new Stern's

"Much like a zeppelin Sterns new pin is filled mostly with air". Yup, there's your flow for $6k - $9k+.

Does anyone know what the current price range is on new sterns? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

I find it wildly entertaining reading all the Stern Fanboys trying to argue that LZ is in the same league as GNR....I like both bands, designers, companies, etc so really have no preference, but to say that a ramp game with essentially zero toys plays better is quite frankly a joke. I get it that the game might have more flow due to the open play field, but give me a break.

It certainly looks more fun to shoot and the main feature of the premium I am more interested in than the various features GNR has.

I wish LZ had the concert experience GNR had worth the exact same layout of LZ. That would be an insta buy for me.

It's all about the flow man! That air between the ramps and orbits is worth thousands of $$$.

Meanwhile Gary at home.

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I’m definitely willing to be surprised but all the videos I saw of GNR before playing it gave me those awesome concert chills. Definitely didn’t get that from LZ, but I’ll gladly eat my words on that when I go to play it.

Here’s what’s stuck in my head when comparing the two:

Show me on LZ a moment that compares to playing Live and Let Die on GNR?

The first time I saw that song on video it blew me away and was even better in person.

Oh this is no question. I only needed to see a couple mins of gameplay to know I’d like shooting LZ more.

More power to you my Capitalist brother!

I mean yeah, I remember when Iron Man came out, seemed empty and lame. It was actually the "straw that broke the camels back" and convinced Jack to start JJP (he called it "Junk Man")

But the game turned out to be brutal fun with a simple yet rewarding gameplay loop. Enough so that the initial run didn't meet demand and they vaulted it.

Haven't played a Zep, maybe I will when Hilton inevitably puts one on location. Just looks really empty from first impressions.

GNR doesn't really have interactive toys either per se but there's so much cool stuff on it - the upper PF, the chrome fret guides, the simple yet effective toggle latches that load the fret lock, the dual stage lights than move around during a song, the drum sticks... Just an all around great package that puts a concert under glass. Glad to see Eric get the success he was kind of robbed of with the short run of Pirates.

Yah exactly.. another recent example is Star Wars which gets all kinds of shit and is probably one the best to come out in years (que the screaming and yelling about Star Wars sucking by people who have barely played it)

Its a hard game that is not easy to learn so if you arent that great a player or dont take the time to learn it you will hate it.

Those of us who dont suck at pinball love it.

GnR has way more 'wow' than LZ but code will decide which has longevity in the home, especially if not a fan of either band.

GnR song jackpots seem real fun, just like ACDC.

But, reading other posts, scoring on album modes and progression is disappointing.......so far.

Hope it improves, as that is all that is stopping me from buying one.

Tell you something, you take the light show out of that game and it’s average. Good art, Not a great shooter, upper PF worthless, maybe 6 out of 22 songs are ok and code is just ok with some annoying sounds and some slot machine sounds that don’t quite fit in.

That light show is what makes it shine. I think JJP f’ed up not having the multi color hot rails on the SE because it’s the more fun shooter. Too bad you can’t upgrade either big miss in my opinion.

You can bet your Benjamin’s the code will be a lot better on album modes and any other issues.
I owned DI for a long time and then out of the blue came theatre multiball and other polish.The game was done (I thought so)but damn Keith and crew slid another layer on the cake!I can assure they are listening and looking at the benefits of their audiences suggestions.

I don’t trust them with code, where is the POTC code?

Saying that the value is not there on LE or CE games is a joke people pay for the small run they are not paying for the game

No it is not as it is the only game the local distributor has ever charged shipping

I hope you're right. My personal philosophy (when it's possible) is to wait until a game has been out at least a year before buying. By that time all the kinks are worked out, production quality is usually up, and you know for sure whether the code is awesome or not and you may even be able to save a few bucks buying HUO. Instead of buying a 2021 release next year I'll likely buy whatever 2020 game is looking the best from a code/gameplay perspective. I hope it's GNR as I'd like to own my first JJP/Eric title!

That is the MSRP

I’m beginning to think Ben is right.

They give Ritchie the low BOM games and just tell him to rearrange the ramps, buyers won’t know or care because it’s a Ritchie “flow monster”

Ritchie can’t carry Elwin’s jock strap these days. Lol

I’m sure SW and LZ license fees were 2 of their biggest.

Gary, “Just throw together a box of lights Steve”

They had to reskin a Seawitch to even make Beatles work

Rock and roll themes are really subject to opinions that can make or break a game if you dislike the band. We all have our own opinions and taste and there is no right and wrong, only what is right or wrong for you. I have hated looking at KISS for my entire life and never bought or purposely listened to their music. Likewise Iron Maiden and Guns and Roses. I literally hate every single Iron Maiden song I have ever heard and there is no changing that. I like exactly two Guns and Roses songs and can't stand the rest of it. I've never bought a GnR album or ever purposely listened to one of their songs. I have many times changed the station when they come on though. As nice as the GnR light show is, I was underwhelmed with the shots and the sound quality, so this is simply a location game for me.

On the other hand I grew up listening to ACDC, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rush, Deep Purple, Hendrix, Tom Petty and Queen. I have owned every LZ studio album and Steve Ritchie is my favorite designer. As my avatar would show, I love open fast games like AFM and look forward to my first four-ramp game since WH20 when my LZLE shows up in less than a month now. To me this is a no brainer from day one and still is. I can always add some mods to the game like I did with Star Wars if I feel it is too empty. The LZLE gameplay looks great and the upper flipper ramp is obviously a new classic Ritchie upper flipper shot. The innovative lighting embedded in the cabinet instead of just having the molded light bars out of a crane game is also a very elegant design. Can't wait... I don't blame anyone for disagreeing, especially as packed as GnR is and as limited as Stern was with the LZ license, but to me there is only one choice here. I also love the topper and have one on order.

Well said

Fun game nonetheless and at least they picked one of the best classics, there were much worse options going the retro single level route.

Ice knows more than everyone else about everything. The fact that he is rich (and constantly lets you know about his stock market prowess) makes it true. Was he born with silver spoon in his mouth? Doesn't matter. The fact that he's rich means that he has superior intellect and knowledge about all topics (including pinball) that exceeds everyone else's.

Ouch

Hate to break it to you.. anyone who can afford this dopey hobby is "rich".

And pretty much everyone here thinks they know everything.

He sounds full of resentment for the iceman!

or just possibly the guy has worked his ass off and has done well for himself. The reality is most people on this forum have a too much disposable income. How else can one justify paying $10K for a game let alone have several in your collection....

Well said! next time I’m in Cocoa, I’ll hit ya up. The wife and I went to the place in Oviedo twice last time we were there.

Watching IEpinball stream on twitch
GnR’s will keep us busy for months if not years so much going on