Quoted from RA77:

Seen some of the LZ stream prior to shut down.
Looks to be an excellent shooter with great flow. SR still has the Midas Touch.
No doubt there is a deep rule set with a ton of hidden extras. Will be a win win game for fans of Led Zep.
The playfield art pops and suits the theme very nicely.
Fortunately for LE purchasers armor its not too difficult to replace. Have to agree the blue is puke !
Agree with many on the lazy cab art for pro and prem.
Led Zep will turn out to be a most enjoyable title and make top 20 no problem.
Pity the art lets it down.
Sounds like GnR will make and remain top 10 for a long while.
Both titles have a lot going for them and both will be excellent.
If we only had space and could afford them all

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Quoted from Skyemont:

Why are you posting these pics based on price? You need to post pics based on the companies best model. CE vs LE. JMO.

Quoted from Skyemont:

Why are you posting these pics based on price? You need to post pics based on the companies best model. CE vs LE. JMO.

Quoted from TaTa:

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Quoted from Skyemont:

Why are you posting these pics based on price? You need to post pics based on the companies best model. CE vs LE. JMO.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

I'm not. Because every song is awesome. I'm not sure I could have picked it better myself. And no old fat guys on the screen.

Quoted from robotron:

the old fat guy at stern is laughing at the fanboys and counting all the money he can make from selling empty boxes. nothing will change until you stop buying. its really getting out of hand. i started this hobby buying tron and star trek le’s and now look at what you get for 10k le’s its not acceptable.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

It's not 10k, it's 9. And I have JP, STh, and LZ all in the LE editions and don't regret buying them at all. Worth every penny in the enjoyment I get out of them.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

It's not 10k, it's 9. And I have JP, STh, and LZ all in the LE editions and don't regret buying them at all. Worth every penny in the enjoyment I get out of them.

Quoted from PtownPin:

Is $9K the delivered price of a Stern LE these days?

Quoted from robotron:

i dont think ANY new stern le worth 8 k glad you are enjoying them. just my opinion. hell i am really enjoying my 6300 hotwheels so what do i know.

Quoted from Hayfarmer:

Instead of barren vs stacked, I'd say clean vs cluttered. Flow vs no flow.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Just north of that, depending on who you talk to.

Let's be clear: I don't think ANY pinball machine is really worth what we pay for them these days. But here's the way I think, and how I've gotten (brainwashed) my wife to think...
If I buy an LE for 9k and play it for 2 years before I get tired of it, even if it's a game that tanks in value I'd still be able to get 7k (or even more) when I sell it. Let's assume the worst and I get 7...the game cost me 2k for 24 months, or about $83 bucks a month for what amounts to a rental of the machine. For the amount of joy the game brings me during that time, I think it's a steal.
If I keep the game until I croak, it's still worth the money I paid because it's clearly one of my favorites so it's worth every penny.
It's all in how you look at it.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Just north of that, depending on who you talk to.

Let's be clear: I don't think ANY pinball machine is really worth what we pay for them these days. But here's the way I think, and how I've gotten (brainwashed) my wife to think...
If I buy an LE for 9k and play it for 2 years before I get tired of it, even if it's a game that tanks in value I'd still be able to get 7k (or even more) when I sell it. Let's assume the worst and I get 7...the game cost me 2k for 24 months, or about $83 bucks a month for what amounts to a rental of the machine. For the amount of joy the game brings me during that time, I think it's a steal.
If I keep the game until I croak, it's still worth the money I paid because it's clearly one of my favorites so it's worth every penny.
It's all in how you look at it.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

But I actually think LZ looks like more fun to play than GNR...and isn't that what pinball's about? That's the problem with Pinside...an overreliance on amount of toys and artwork. I'll take empty and ugly with awesome gameplay any day of the week. AFM is the perfect example of this - that cabinet is simple as shit and has an empty (and ugly IMO) playfield, but one of the greatest games ever.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

So have you LZ fans picked out your favorite outfits to wear with your new pin yet?
Some popular Pinside picks are...
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Quoted from rai:

I agree. To me GnR was trying something new not pinball experience but Rock Concert (Guitar Hero game). I didn’t like playing the game.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

I still think its weird when people say a "packed" playfield makes for a better game.
The main issue I have had with JJ games is they in general dont play great (and yes I have played them enough to say that).. too much shit on the playfield isnt always a good thing (WOZ and Hobbit being prime examples)
The one I have liked the best playability wise is probably the least packed which is Wonka.
GNR I didnt think played all that great... if it did I would probably have one.
Not everyone just cares about lights and how much shit is crammed in the game.

Quoted from rai:

I agree. To me GnR was trying something new not pinball experience but Rock Concert (Guitar Hero game). I didn’t like playing the game.

Quoted from Psw757:

Yep cross between slot machine and sounds vs guitar hero and clunky, LE anyhow.
The SE shoots more like a Stern and I will consider adding that at some point, not a fan of the rat fink art though.

Quoted from PokerJake:

Unfortunately the SE is almost $1400 above a Stern Pro after you factor in shipping. I'm hoping Toy Story has flow, dream theme.

Quoted from Guinnesstime:

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Quoted from beelzeboob:

Just north of that, depending on who you talk to.

Let's be clear: I don't think ANY pinball machine is really worth what we pay for them these days. But here's the way I think, and how I've gotten (brainwashed) my wife to think...
If I buy an LE for 9k and play it for 2 years before I get tired of it, even if it's a game that tanks in value I'd still be able to get 7k (or even more) when I sell it. Let's assume the worst and I get 7...the game cost me 2k for 24 months, or about $83 bucks a month for what amounts to a rental of the machine. For the amount of joy the game brings me during that time, I think it's a steal.
If I keep the game until I croak, it's still worth the money I paid because it's clearly one of my favorites so it's worth every penny.
It's all in how you look at it.

Quoted from onemilemore:

You're a man after my own heart here and likely just helped me decide to buy my first NIB

Quoted from Psw757:

Needs the Assets to work in my opinion.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

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Quoted from Doctor6:

Very odd choice of words since you posted arguably the gayest shirt I have ever seen at the same exact time.
Rainbow colored shirt with a naked winged dude on the front? Suck it, indeed.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

You interested?

Quoted from Tranquilize:

Gnr's music gives me migraines, but I'd suffer through them before buying LZ. Same old S.R. time to pass the torch to Keith.

Quoted from Skyemont:

Why are you posting these pics based on price? You need to post pics based on the companies best model. CE vs LE. JMO.

Quoted from RA77:

Its only fair to compare the titles at same levels.
GnR CE is at a whole next level up and so far from what I have seen easily trumps any other new game currently on the market.
If Stern thought it was viable to release a Led Zep CE that would be a fair fight.
Stern are a high volume manufacturer so I guess CEs are not viable for most titles. No doubt Stern will cash in on a CE for the right titles such as BttF and HP.

Quoted from iceman44:

"flow" is code for 2 ramps and nothing else in the game. LOL. Call it clean if you want, it's still barren.
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Quoted from PokerJake:

JJP LE = Stern Premium
JJP CE = Stern LE
JJP SE = Stern Pro
And then there is AP who does it right.

Quoted from RA77:

Price point comparison perhaps ?
Love what AP do
One day AP will make a title that I want and I will get my first AP machine.

Quoted from Chuckwebster:

What is it called when you ave 4 ramps (stainless- not cheap plastic), 2 spinners (optical!!!) , 2 orbits, Sweepable drops, unobstructed views of all shots, and a rule set that encourages the player to combo all day long? Looks like a fun game to play in my opinion.

Quoted from PokerJake:

Not sure what you mean by price point comparison. JJP prices their games higher and don't include shipping probably because they sell less. JJP SE is about $1400 higher than a pro, JJP LE is about $2300 higher than a premium and CE is about $3300 higher than Stern LE. I'm using distributor numbers not MSRP and including shipping. AP games are great, Hot Wheels has been fantastic and I need another Oktoberfest.

Quoted from PokerJake:

JJP LE = Stern Premium
JJP CE = Stern LE
JJP SE = Stern Pro

Quoted from John_I:

JJP CE is $3000 higher than the highest priced Stern
JJP CE = Batman SLE
JJP LE = Stern LE
JJP SE = Stern Pro + $1400

Quoted from John_I:

JJP CE is $3000 higher than the highest priced Stern
JJP CE = Batman SLE
JJP LE = Stern LE
JJP SE = Stern Pro + $1400

Quoted from John_I:

JJP CE is $3000 higher than the highest priced Stern
JJP CE = Batman SLE
JJP LE = Stern LE
JJP SE = Stern Pro + $1400