No reason to apologize as I'm not saying it won't end up being a really fun game. My point was the license was clearly limited, which is typical in the Stern model, and clearly they put very little effort into the art package (which normally I could give two shits about).

I am with you. I want to wait until I have played both and make up my mind then. I am already fairly sure that both games will be great and fun to shoot.

Have to agree with Ptown on this one. Neither LZ nor any other pin can really compete with GNR because the artist was involved in creating the game. Imagine if Sigourney Weaver made Alien her own project. Probably not fair to compare LZ, or any other Stern, with GNR. Or POTC. Or WW

Back off man! He's a Doctor!

Certainly shows in the art and bling. But that doesn't have much bearing on how the game plays. It's like saying you're sure glad Pat Lawlor helped GnR write those awesome songs.

Its clear that JJP lucked out with GNR. Having the owners of the assets so heavily motivated to make a great pin is not the norm. My guess is it may not ever happen again. That doesn't mean that LZ won't be a fun pin, but GNR probably has the greatest theme integration we'll ever see in a pinball game.

Certainly doesn't make it a great game, but if u like the band it certainly helps. The theme integration on GNR is incredible so much so I highly doubt you'll see another game on the same level. That being said if u don't like the band u may not like the game. I liked IMDN game play, but hated the music so it didn't last long in my collection.

Still no idea why they went with old fat GnR concert footage though.

I's guessing it was easy to get permission from the current band members. And impossible for the various other line-ups since the 80s.

I hear ya, but it was all about their latest tour .... how Stern didn't include Stairway to heaven as their final wizard mode is beyond me. My guess is they didn't want to pay the license fee.

I’m telling you after listening to Tim’s podcast last night and the stern insider podcast I think they have a trick up their sleeve for the ? Wizard mode.

He basically says they have well over 50 minutes of music in the game, add up the 10 and it comes to 45 minutes and change. I’m remaining optimistic. If and it’s a big if there is something there I think it would be in the form of clips to create a medley since it’s concert based.

Tim mentions lights synced to Bonham’s big drum solo, well that song (the ocean) isn’t one of the 10 unless there is another that doesn’t come to mind.

Either way I’m happy with what I see so far.

I don’t mean to seem like I’m correcting you but I think GnR own Live and let die!

Since Paul McCartney is both the greatest songwriter and performer over the past half century plus, GNR "owning" Live and Let Die would be impossible.

You keep saying that all JJP pins are just a box of lights and pretty shiny things.This makes your argument weak because it’s simply not even close to the truth!Their games have plenty of variety and depth.If you like Sterns which you clearly do just buy the LZ and I’ll enjoy my GnR when I get it.

How does GNR own Live and Let Die when Eric and Slash himself had to literally call Paul and the licensor to get permission to allow it when the licensor initially shot JJP down?

Not half, but the funniest person to walk out was Gary Stern. Just strode up the aisle and out the doors while Pat was still talking.

I was bullshitting I was really meaning their rendition of the song is so good who even wants to hear Macartney sing it.The song was first used in the Bond movie of the same name

If Sigourney had been personally involved and invested in making Alien that would have been amazing.

Maybe not directly, sure, but I do think it matters. Everyone wants to do their best work when it's a big involved effort like that. And when the art is hitting and the assets are there and everyone is excited about ideas and it feels like there are no limits? I think that makes for a better game making experience that shows in the end too.

Lol...yeah GNR does it good and great Bond movie. If you’ve never seen Paul perform Live and Let Die live, I’m sure there is a video on YouTube. Paul definitely likes his Pyro!

Not true. The licensor has heavy influence on this too. There was something like 14-15 rejections of the SW playfield before it was approved by Disney. Assume the licensor directed, if not heavily scrutinized what the games art looked like.

REALLY you must be looking at a different art package. It might be up there with the worst I've ever seen on a modern game. That LE package is a total joke, and I NEVER said they didn't have an influence on the game. JJP's GNR is in an entirely different league when it comes to theme integration.... Its not even close

Did you even read what I wrote? Haha. You said stern phoned it in. I’m saying stern probably didn’t have much of a choice. How is that me saying I think the artwork is great? (Even though I do like the Pro and Prem cabinets and backglasses)

OMG, you said it!!!

I can't wait to play ANY of the games that were released this past year, especially GNR and LZ.

Looking forward to the stream Friday

I saw Paul on his Trip the light fantastic tour at Market Square Arena Feb 1990!It was a magical concert they played Beatles 1964 to Paul’s current Pieces of Eight.But the night GnR ripped into the song on a MTV award show I was blown away!

Stern & JJP secretly watch and laugh at these threads cuz they printing money no matter what is said here
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Based on art package alone, Led Zeppelin takes the "L"

Stern needed to think outside the box. I feel like this might be a Ritchie thing. My only knock on his AC/DC pin was the art package. When you have a band like Led Zeppelin that doesn't scream "ART" you have to make the art. Stern did a fantastic job with this in regards to Aerosmith and Metallica, and you can say Iron Madien as well. JJP also did a great job with GnR, as did Data East. You need to "cartoon" the band, and create art. The photoshop approach doesn't always work.

Based on lighting...Led Zeppelin takes the "L"

Can't compare lighting, just can't

Based on theme integration....Led Zeppelin takes the "L"

Guitar pick spinners, actual drum sticks and drum kit pop bumper, guitar head stocks, sculpted top hat, Gibson, Fender etc.

Based on cool factor...Led Zeppelin takes the "L"

Sorry, but this pin doesn't have that "it" factor, or something "cool" about it. You look at other music pins and AC/DC has the bell, and the cannon, Metallica has the tombstones, snake head, electric chair guy, Aerosmith has a cool chest ball lock and an elevator, Kiss has the Gene Simmons head sculpt where balls come out of his mouth, GnR has the guitar neck ball lock, and the fender bass habit trails....Led Zeppelin has....a pop up mech that reveals a spinner....a spinner? Has nothing to do with the band, and hitting a spinner isn't exactly my idea of cool factor

Based on play and code....To be determined.

So far not looking good for Led Zeppelin.

Wrong! Sir Wrong!

Zeppelin has the if your very High and playing you may not care about anything factor.

Zep for the "W"

See, I agree, they could of taken that approach and created a psychedelic playfield, and Zeppelin wouldn't be a big loser on the art package.

Come on man....of course they had a choice...its all about time and money....when comes to licensing Stern does the bare minimum (they can get away with it)...so yea Stern phoned it in

Good lord....its not even a close race....GNR by miles, and thats without seeing LZ's game play

It's pinball... spinners will always be cool.

Sorry it's not a toy overload for some. And sorry it's soooo uncool.

I'm just looking for a good shooter with some good rules.

Zeppelin music won't hurt, either. They're no Sabbath, but i'll take it.

Sounds just like Kaneda podcast review

Sounds like a good podcast!

Those that have played GNR a decent amount will understand this. GNR builds up to “moments” better than any pinball machine. I like the fact that you don’t start in a song. You build your song up, assemble your band, and work up to a huge moment. A huge payoff. That anticipation combined with the assets, light show and choreography make it an outstanding game.

No one here knows how LZ shoots or much about the code apart from the Timmy interview. I bet it shoots pretty darn good with a SR layout. Not sure about the code. Tim describes some confusing scenarios during that interview.

Both games can be good, but I have a hard time seeing a scenario where an average buyer can proclaim the entire package of LZ is superior. LZ fans will always prefer LZ. GNR fans will always prefer it. It’s the rest that will really decide.

I'm just giving my assessment with reasons why I believe GnR is better machine for me...personally. This is a Led vs. GnR thread afterall. Don't be sorry it's not a toy overload, or that its so uncool (IMO). Spinners are awesome to some, not for me. GnR has the best spinners on any music pin, so if it's spinner you like then GnR with another "W". It's awesome this pin speaks to you. It doesn't to me. I don't know who this pin is for, on location you have GnR next to Led Zeppelin, I don't think Led is going to attract too many coins. Love Zeppelin music, dislike the machine, I hate Metallica music and I love the machine. Looks like the game is just shooting at 3 ramps lined up next to each other along the back, that returns ball to flippers. I can see that getting quite old quick. But for some, that might be super fun.

This is so full of shit.

Blackout and High Speed have the best spinners of any pinball machine, but those are probably too old and boring for you.

Not sure you even like pinball. You only like images and cool factors and whatever commercial pop culture overload that you so deperately need to make pinball machines less boring to you.

Never said any pin spoke to me, nor do I cheer for any side. I just dig pinball in general. Never hated on Gn'R either.

Just got a blackout. Whoa baby those spinners are smooth!

Ok thank you for your opinion?

Good luck playing a modern Steve Ritchie pin high.

Woooooooah man...where did the ball go?

Exactly haha.
To be fair you won’t even press the start button if you play GNR high. “Whoa the lights, whoa the colors. Whoa...the lights and the colors.”

Sometimes wish I was 20 again so I can just sit down and trip on GNR all night. Instead, I have to play it

Worked lately for me.

True statements. All my amazing games on GNR were without beers. It’s still fun with beers of course but good luck blowing the game up. Your reactions need to be so fast and dialed in. Nudging so critical.

My best games ever are when I’m, what I call, “perfect drunk”

Absolutely. But it’s a fine line. Once you cross it it’s all over.

Hell no! That’s when the party has just begun. Haha

Really starting to like the playfield colors definitely reminds me of the 70s!

It's like Austin Powers with better art.

Can't wait to have this Pro in my lineup right next to my Jukebox.

Art on Cabinet is what originally made me pull the trigger.

Both games look like fun but its clear which game easily offers more value, that being GNR. Stern is not putting enough in their games, code, and build quality to justify these all time record high prices in my opinion.

If I won the lottery I would buy every new release and never question the price but sadly that isn't the case. As someone who buys maybe 1 new pin every year or two I want to buy a machine that offers the most value. Theres no doubt that Sterns are fun but fun alone doesn't justify a $6k - $9k+ price tag.