I enjoyed SW layout, its the multiplier rules that killed it for me. I went BKSOR Premium at home, haven't played the pro, but the layout was fantastic for the type of game it was. I know the upper playfield added some dimension with the catapult, fight shot, loop for increasing mode scores, etc. Ritchie layouts are probably my favorite next to Balcers AP games.
I don't think the art on any of them is bad, and who sees it when it's tucked between two machines anyway. Tempted to upgrade to a premium from the pro, but not sure the spinner/magnet is worth it.
Quoted from TreyBo69:
Yeah, I don't want to sound ageist...but Keith Elwin is the youngest head designer and he's almost 50. He at least has a lot of fresh ideas because he hasn't been doing pinball design his whole professional career.
Rob Zombie or Primus are probably the newest
Elwin designs don't do anything for me. I love Maiden but the code saved it, JP2 and AIQ are meh at best. The code worries me on this game, Tim Sexton did BKSOR and hasn't had any major updates since release.
Quoted from snaroff:
The result shows the lack of love/care/collaboration with the licensee. GNR was a collaboration with JJP/Eric (who has a deep music background). This looks like LZ threw a bunch of "assets" over to Stern and they incorporated them. LZ cares about the licensee fees, not so much about pinball. Slash could give a shit about the license fees...he cares about pinball.
Then why doesnt GNR shoot well? It's a box of lights.
Quoted from nicoy3k:
Still can’t get over the fucking standup shot from third flipper. Stern is begging you not to buy the pro. What a joke
What's the difference with the shot from the premium? On the pro, the ball will trickle out to the right flipper, might require some skill with a nudge. On the premium, it travels via rail to right flipper. Pro sounds more fun. Anyways, looks like a tight shot that may not be a high percentage shot regardless. Looking forward to the streams.
Quoted from Whysnow:
Interesting as I dont really see much to offer from that ramp and prefer the bang and back of a target over the ramp return to safe flipper shot yet again.
I welcome that shift and think it will really bring a bit more skill to the pro.
I thought the same thing, the shot will register to one switch on both the pro and premium.
Quoted from Trogdor:
Yeah, for the pro model that is $6500..
Is the art really that bad or have we changed? I laughed at my 18 year old many a morning seeing what mishmash of colors he was wearing. Joke was on this guy- all his friends were looking like that LE. Maybe the clash of colors will draw in the under 30s.
Pros can be had for 5800
Quoted from kermit24:
Tim has a lot to prove for me. I wasn’t impressed with the rules on BKSOR. Listening to the Jeff T interview didn’t give me any confidence he will knock this one out of the park.
The rules on BKSOR Prem were great, never played a pro so don't know if the lack of upper playfield/catapult mb brought it down.
If i can play pinball to Led Zeppelin, hell yeah. I think the premium has the best art but not sure if the rising lock/ spinner is worth it. Ugh, first world decisions...
Quoted from chuckwurt:
Didn’t mean it that way. You seem extremely upset about a pinball reveal. Just take a step back and try to enjoy it. At the end of the day it’s just a game. If it’s not for you it’s not for you. There’s always the next one.
Agreed 100%, seems like people take these things personally. Unfortunately I think social media makes everyone feel like their opinion matters and everyone needs to agree with them or they're bad.
I'd be interested in getting a premium and swapping translites with a pro or vice versa, that would look decent. A mix of both albums.
Quoted from Elvishasleft:
If your biggest concern in 2020 is that your crazy expensive toy doesnt have a good enough art package for you than life isnt so bad really.
Lol, 100%. Great article about social media:
You are the product on Facebook. Nobody still cares about your opinion.
Quoted from smokinhos:
Thought it was funny that in order to get a good picture of the side art you had to move the other pin. Back to the hype.. I have pro versions of GOTG and TMNT. I saw no reason to buy the premium. However ST and AIQ have me considering the premium. LZ has me right on the fence. I do like the premium art better (there i said it).. but the ball thing in the middle isn't a big deal to me, nor is the extra habitrail. But the missing lights might deal breaker. Looks cool though.
Stern is releasing the lights for the Pro in March, not sure how much though
I wonder how many LE cancelers are wanting back in. Looks like a great game, can't wait for my pro. Might have to upgrade to premium down the line.
Agreed, Pros are much cheaper than Hot Wheels. Hot Wheels is great, it does fell like a Stern though, not that its a bad thing. Sterns feel great, snappy flippers, smooth gameplay and reliable.
Quoted from dsmoke1986:
MSRP for Hot Wheels is 6300, and that's with sideblades and a shaker.
So My point stands, that's an apples to apples comparison; and AP crushes the Pro on value, not even close.
There's no wiggle room on AP games, lots of wiggle room on Stern. Not apples to apples, not sure if you've ever bought NIB, but I'd talk to a distributor if I were you. I own Hot Wheels, it's a very good game. It feels just like Sterns, which is another good thing. AP makes great games, single tier and prices them reasonably (including shipping).
Again, I'd talk to a distributor. Maybe the greedy ones are selling at MSRP. If they're not budging, call another, takes a couple minutes. Luckily my distributor gives great prices and doesn't charge cc fees, so I can get 2-5% cash back rewards depending on what the rotating category is. The cash back is how I rationalize the purchases...lol
Quoted from Chisox:
Based on your posts in this thread I’m assuming you’re being facetious. Why? I just don’t get why people get off on shit-posting. Who the hell has enough free time to hang out in a thread for a game they clearly have no interest in just to poke and prod the people who do? It’s fucking pinball man, go turn on your games and flip, it’s pretty fun.
It's jealousy, most people don't waste their time on things they don't like unless they secretly like and want one. Maybe he can't afford it right now.
Quoted from Guinnesstime:
I think they either designed it and said:
We have all this great song content and holy crap this game is tough. Move the scoop to the middle and add a shitload of balls.
There are 16 songs on GNR that I've never heard of, talk about overkill. Meanwhile every song on LZ is a classic, plus there are many more classics that could have been added.
Quoted from Apollyon:
Why does EVERY Stern thread turn into a bash fest by JJP supporters??? It is as if the only safe place for people to enjoy their Stern games is the owner / club thread. Absent that, JJP defenders feel entitled to spout off ad nauseum about how their games have more toys on them and how they are "worth" more money. This is a Stern game's hype thread. By definition that would make it a thread for people who are excited about the game to meet and discuss and talk positively. Yet the same old people have to troll and talk shit. Its exhausting and pathetic.
I prefer Stern games. I have played all JJP games at shows and barcades. I find all of them deficient and for the most part, boring. Just not fun to shoot (absent Pirates). But you know what? I don't go into every JJP thread and say this. Why would I? I don't visit their threads, and I don't espouse my opinion as fact over and over and over again. I actually went into a few JJP threads recently to check, went through about 20 pages of threads, I didn't find Stern people talking about how JJP games are boring / bad themes / not fun to shoot, even though many people feel this way.
There specifically is a GNR vs LZ thread. Take your negativity there. Or get a life.
JJP folk have too much time before their ball drains, so they come here to waste time while they play. 30-40 min games? Hell no.
Quoted from Pinchild:
Thanks you guys just felt alittle let down.
I'll get on it tomorrow with no family around to disturb my opinion.
It is always a bummer when they don't support a new title.
Luckily awards mean nothing, especially whatever a Twipy is. Only opinion that matters, is our own. Never watched a podcast, never will, I've got a life outside of pinball. BTW Oktoberfest is my favorite game ever!
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