Quoted from kermit24:

If the license holder approves of having a demonetized video on YouTube, why wouldn't YouTube allow it?

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

After you skip in about 45 min you get the sound. It has a lot of lights going on but the music still was all garbled. So when the new video is shot and distributed as promised by JD (omg Jack Danger has his own initial thingy going) I have a concern.
During any song, you SHOULD NOT be interrupted by a bunch of distracting calls outs and other bs. This is a music pin so let us hear the music uninterrupted, please. What I heard that bothered me in the release video was during a song I kept hearing jackpot and super jackpot and all kinds of annoying as hell stuff. We will finally hear what the game has and the sounds when the new video emerges. Until then we shall wait, and see.
edit - it should be as simple as changing the priorities of callouts to a lower level than the priority level for songs. But what do I know?

Quoted from kermit24:

How many American pinball games have been sold? How many of those have a ton of plays?
I’d suggest that the sample size is far too small.
All games can have issues. No playfield is perfect. It’s a natural product with variations.

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

Stern really needs to up their game.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

How so? the demand for their pins is so high everything is backordered months.
Seems like their "game" is fine

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Per write up:
“Expression Lighting SystemTM – 96 intelligent RGB LEDs enables full color spectrum control; synchronized and adjustable, responsive to game events
Positioned in pockets cut into the cabinet sides to provide color themed full playfield illumination, this integrated playfield lighting system is synchronized to custom light shows specifically designed for every song.”
This cannot be easily replicated. You’d have to drill holes etc. Pingraffix Power Blades are a mess. Don’t fit well and easily scratch up, because the bulging lights touch the PF when pulling up. I know, because I had them. Ended up pulling them off, what a total waste.
This lighting system is superior in my view, because they actually light the PF and not pointed directly at your face. Big plus!

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

Backordered for months? LOL, according to which distros? Cointaker and Automated have everything.

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

Hot Wheels is incredible for the price...I got mine for 6300, that's the price of a Stern Pro

Quoted from Yoko2una:

They don't. Check Automated's EHOH page. Or their JP Prem page. Or their DP Prem page.

I think Hot Wheels looks great, but it's $600-700 more than a Stern Pro.

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

Backordered for months? LOL, according to which distros? Cointaker and Automated have everything.
Lazy designs, inferior quality. When JJP dropped GnR it changed a lot of things, Hot Wheels is incredible for the price...I got mine for 6300, that's the price of a Stern Pro; they are not even in the same ballpark, and I've owned about a dozen Stern's over the years, most recently GOTG, Stranger Things, JP Prem and SW Prem.
It's not even close, to compare the quality of a Wonka Standard and say a JP Prem, it's night and day...I'm not even touching on the playfield problems, just feel, JJP and AP really are making machines that feel like the 90's B/W's...And Stern is quickly becoming the cheap option, the drop off is noticeable.
I had a Stern POTC, it was HUO, the playfield was immaculate, I had a Stranger Things Pro, bro, the playfield was carved up after only 2-300 plays!! Like extremely bad ball marks all over the playfield...They have raised prices, and cut corners on quality over the last 10 years, and they aren't the only game in town. AP and JJP will continue to make great pins, and more competition is coming, if they want to keep their spot, they need to up their game.
This is a wake up call, if I'm saying something like this, after being a long supporter of them, then you know something is up.

Quoted from EricHadley:

Dude, everyone is out of stock of any desirable Stern. They could build their current titles for years to fill demand. Go ahead and try to find an Elvira or a Jurassic Park or an Avengers, etc. ALL SOLD OUT with big waitlists.

Quoted from joeraptor2003:

So sorry you feel that away about our products. Obviously you are unhappy because I think this is the third thread I have read about you being unsatisified.
There are literally a few thousand Powerblades out in the wild, We get great comments all the time. Obviously you were not happy and that's fine.
You have every right to bash my Company and family run business which we spend countless hours trying to satisy our customers.
I guess Ed Koch The ex-mayor of NYC once said "You can't please everybody" . As much as it may be true..we try the best we can to make everyone happy.
We strive to come up with Innovative, never done before types of products. And tremdous amount of design, technical work and innovation is what goes into every pair. Not to mention very expensive R&D as well.
It seems that some Pinball companies are just as impressed and try to simulate them as well. Like Led Zepp for example.
I am not going to sit here and post the copius amounts of message and e-mails I get praising them. It would take days..
However..If you do a search you will find that most people are blown away and love them.
Have a nice Holiday!
Joe

Quoted from Pinchild:

It's a true statement but I can't stop purchasing Sterns because they are so reliable.
Although I love my JJPs I continue to have problems with each and every one I own.
Prefer JJPs by far.

Quoted from romulusx:

Less tech and less moving parts equals less to break down,but I’ve noticed once I gel my JJP’s dialed in their very reliable

Quoted from Pinchild:

Almost every time I go into Gobstopper it gets stuck.
19 out of 20 times.
It's driving me batty

Quoted from romulusx:

Look at the Wonka owners thread that’s an easy fix well documented.
Once you do it should stay that way.
I guess I got lucky and got a perfect playfield with no issues of any kind!

Quoted from Pinchild:

Almost every time I go into Gobstopper it gets stuck.

Quoted from joeraptor2003:

So sorry you feel that away about our products. Obviously you are unhappy because I think this is the third thread I have read about you being unsatisified.
There are literally a few thousand Powerblades out in the wild, We get great comments all the time. Obviously you were not happy and that's fine.
You have every right to bash my Company and family run business which we spend countless hours trying to satisy our customers.
I guess Ed Koch The ex-mayor of NYC once said "You can't please everybody" . As much as it may be true..we try the best we can to make everyone happy.
We strive to come up with Innovative, never done before types of products. And tremdous amount of design, technical work and innovation is what goes into every pair. Not to mention very expensive R&D as well.
It seems that some Pinball companies are just as impressed and try to simulate them as well. Like Led Zepp for example.
I am not going to sit here and post the copius amounts of message and e-mails I get praising them. It would take days..
However..If you do a search you will find that most people are blown away and love them.
Have a nice Holiday!
Joe

Quoted from joeraptor2003:

So sorry you feel that away about our products. Obviously you are unhappy because I think this is the third thread I have read about you being unsatisified.
There are literally a few thousand Powerblades out in the wild, We get great comments all the time. Obviously you were not happy and that's fine.
You have every right to bash my Company and family run business which we spend countless hours trying to satisy our customers.
I guess Ed Koch The ex-mayor of NYC once said "You can't please everybody" . As much as it may be true..we try the best we can to make everyone happy.
We strive to come up with Innovative, never done before types of products. And tremdous amount of design, technical work and innovation is what goes into every pair. Not to mention very expensive R&D as well.
It seems that some Pinball companies are just as impressed and try to simulate them as well. Like Led Zepp for example.
I am not going to sit here and post the copius amounts of message and e-mails I get praising them. It would take days..
However..If you do a search you will find that most people are blown away and love them.
Have a nice Holiday!
Joe

Quoted from EricHadley:

Dude, everyone is out of stock of any desirable Stern. They could build their current titles for years to fill demand. Go ahead and try to find an Elvira or a Jurassic Park or an Avengers, etc. ALL SOLD OUT with big waitlists.

Quoted from EricHadley:

Stern really should consider firing up another warehouse and line to fill this unprecedented demand and cash in.

Quoted from Psw757:

They said it was designed to be a tight shot and not a gimme.

Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

Fanboys response will be “You suck this pin is awesome!” You like me do feel let down by this. LZ is one of the most coveted licenses ever for a pinball game to many. I started collecting last year and I own 2 Sterns and have a deposit for EHOH.
I have been a LZ fan for decades and this just seems like a standard shooter for a standard license. LZ deserved so much more. I to love Iron Maiden layout and game. I would own one if I liked the band but I never did. It’s a music pin and for me to dish out money I have to be a fan of the band.
I also really like dead pool, but I am a DC fan more. I own BKSOR premium and it was my first Stern NIB purchase for me and I love it. Yes it’s a standard layout but for me it goes well with BK and BK2000 in layout and improves greatly on the artwork but still respects the history of the license to me.
Expectations were high for me because of the emotional attachment to the music of LZ, but I still tried to keep those expectations grounded to a wait and see. I was very worried Stern would be able to pull it off with the bands album artwork from a graphic design side.
Regardless if Sterns hands were tied by LZ, I myself was let down and this just doesn’t feel like a true LZ game to me. Metallica, IM, Aerosmith, and AC/DC feel like the bands game but LZ just feels like a pin with no feel or soul of the band TO ME. This is not as bad of a disappointment like the Beatles, but to me it is worse because I love Led Zeppelin and really wanted this to be great.
Just a pin with LZ clip art and their faces, LZ IV symbols and the Hindenburg pasted all over it, with Icaruss on a stick and here’s your LZ pin. If you like it fine, but there are many like me who are disappointed and artwork is important as is theme integration for one of the best bands of all time to many.

Quoted from HEAD_boss_HOG:

100% agree. the soul is missing from this pin. pretty cool side art lighting, and an interesting mech, but man, after watching that gameplay vid, I was probably more disappointed by the release than I was before. IMO, to use the same art for cabinet as for the backglass is not acceptable in this day and age, or in any day and age for pinball. I don't think that's ever been done in pinball history. It's a real bummer

Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

Soulless is a great way to put it. Putting the same artwork is definitely a first I believe. Having the same artwork on all parts of the cabinet for the premium is no excuse. I always tell my kids if your going to do a job you do it right the first time. This just doesn’t feel like a finished pin. Pro translite is at least a little bit different, but still feels cheap and not well thought out.
Can’t put an alternate translite in on the premium because it the backbox artwork is a continuation from the translite. Doubt anyone will make a cabinet decal set and shouldn’t even have to even consider doing that for a new pin.
I just wish more effort was put into this. I was really looking forward to this and was a dream pin for me. I did keep my expectations low but it is still is a disappointment and LZ deserves a better representation than a fast SR shooter.
EHOH is a great pin and a great representation of Elvira and her franchise from gameplay, artwork, layout, shots, and code. I wish LZ was better so I could transfer my $1000 deposit for Elvira for LZ.

Quoted from EricHadley:

Dude, everyone is out of stock of any desirable Stern. They could build their current titles for years to fill demand. Go ahead and try to find an Elvira or a Jurassic Park or an Avengers, etc. ALL SOLD OUT with big waitlists.

Quoted from cooked71:

Ummmm, guys.......theres a pandemic remember? Has been for almost 12 months. Pretty sure that's the main cause of the backlog and it's on the production side - not because Stern are doing anything out of the ordinary.

Quoted from Vitty:

I'm curious what everyone would think if Stern decided each LE was to be $12,800 delivered, each Premium was to be $9800 delivered, and each Pro $7000 delivered. They could then add a few more things to compete with JJP on the mechs/bling department. Would we all be willing to pay that multiple times a year like we do now? That's always the question I ponder. I now get a couple LE's a year, but if the price were north of 10k it'd be a different mental hurdle to climb and I probably wouldn't end up with quite so many. Food for thought anyways. For now I'm glad they are south of that 10k mark and am pretty pleased with what is offered.

Quoted from pinballonthemark:After you click the Submit button it doesn’t look like it goes anywhere and the button temporarily grays out, but I refreshed the page and then was able to login through the login link on the Stern homepage. I experienced this same issue you dealt with. Seems like after you sign up for an account it should direct you to a page to show you successfully registered, but it doesn’t.

Quoted from Yoko2una:

They don't. Check Automated's EHOH page. Or their JP Prem page. Or their DP Prem page.

I think Hot Wheels looks great, but it's $600-700 more than a Stern Pro.

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

Doesn't the new Stern Pricing Tiers have the pros at 6199??

Quoted from PokerJake:

That's MSRP, not what you'll actually pay.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Pingraffix is one of the finest mod companies in this hobby. If you have a serious issue with them and feel the need to rake them over the coals in an open forum rather than give Joe and Gina a chance to make it right, you need to take a good long look in the mirror first.

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

MSRP for Hot Wheels is 6300, and that's with sideblades and a shaker.
So My point stands, that's an apples to apples comparison; and AP crushes the Pro on value, not even close.

Quoted from HEAD_boss_HOG:

I must say though that tim Sexton did a pretty dang good job w code.

Quoted from PokerJake:

There's no wiggle room on AP games, lots of wiggle room on Stern. Not apples to apples, not sure if you've ever bought NIB, but I'd talk to a distributor if I were you. I own Hot Wheels, it's a very good game. It feels just like Sterns, which is another good thing. AP makes great games, single tier and prices them reasonably (including shipping).

Quoted from dsmoke1986:

I've bought a half dozen NIB games...I thought Sterns were so hot right now, that would mean Distros are selling them at MSRP.

Quoted from cooked71:

Ummmm, guys.......theres a pandemic remember? Has been for almost 12 months. Pretty sure that's the main cause of the backlog and it's on the production side - not because Stern are doing anything out of the ordinary.

Quoted from Vitty:

I'm curious what everyone would think if Stern decided each LE was to be $12,800 delivered, each Premium was to be $9800 delivered, and each Pro $7000 delivered. They could then add a few more things to compete with JJP on the mechs/bling department. Would we all be willing to pay that multiple times a year like we do now? That's always the question I ponder. I now get a couple LE's a year, but if the price were north of 10k it'd be a different mental hurdle to climb and I probably wouldn't end up with quite so many. Food for thought anyways. For now I'm glad they are south of that 10k mark and am pretty pleased with what is offered.

Quoted from PokerJake:

There's no wiggle room on AP games, lots of wiggle room on Stern. Not apples to apples, not sure if you've ever bought NIB, but I'd talk to a distributor if I were you. I own Hot Wheels, it's a very good game. It feels just like Sterns, which is another good thing. AP makes great games, single tier and prices them reasonably (including shipping).

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Man if this is the zep hype thread I live in fear of ever discovering the pit of depravity that surely is the Zep Hate Thread!

Quoted from romulusx:

One thing your right about is the Calvin piss on comparison.I actually just read a guy claim that LZ’s artwork is superior to GnR’s.Even if I was buying a LZ I would be intellectually honest enough to admit the LZ’s isn’t even close

Quoted from beelzeboob:

This is Pinside. You lost me at "intellectually" and "honest."

Quoted from Flack:

I missed the stream. How did it look in terms of code completion and overall play?