I am still in too!

Oh yeah! Me too...

You should add to the list Heighway Pinball / Full Throttle. Played a prototype 2 weeks ago, it has good potential. Artwork improved from lame to acceptable.

P3: Would love to, as Neo, but above my price point. Most innovative concept.

I am in for Quetzal Nemo too.

I'll sit back and buy all the good stuff that gets sold to fund all of these ventures.

I've had my fill of all the delays, broken promises, exorbitant prices, lack of updates, untested this and that, and of course the lack of code being delivered on time or at all. These don’t apply to all, and not at all to some...yet (we’ll see), but enough rotten apples on the trees has turned me away from new for now anyway.

I'm not in the mood anymore to pay a fortune in hopes of having a final version in 5 years. I'll just wait for others to do this, by then someone with sparkle in their eye for something new will want to sell, and if it's worth buying, I'll pick it up then, likely cheaper, all the while as I PLAY and ENJOY good machines NOW.

There is enough addiction in this hobby, I don’t need to two fold it anymore by getting caught up in the new stuff rat race

so many 'new' pins coming to the market - will there be enough buyers? is this growth rate and pricing sustainable? time will tell....

Won't be buying any.

I voted JJP, I have WOZECLE ready to be shipped, I don't have Hobbit in line but I do hope I like #3 enough to preorder when it's announced

I sort of see where you're coming from....

Should be an option for " I will be buying B listers for reduced prices from those collectors looking to make room for new games"

I am not sure I will buy any in 2014. Metallica is the only one on my short list right now, but I am waiting to buy until the code is complete. If that happens in 2014, great, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens the following year. I really don't care either way since GnR and AC/DC are keeping me well entertained until then.

I would like to see another company put out a music pin just to see what they can come up with.

I bought AC/DC this summer, and it was in my gameroom about 5 days after I ordered it. That is as long as I am willing to wait after paying. I won't be preordering any pins, nor will I be buying unfinished games. When it is complete, and I have played it enough to know I want to buy it, I will buy it; not before. I actually have space for 4 more pins right now, but I am OK with not filling that space for a while.

I think the key thing in all of this is that we want to see a finished product, not a half done machine or a promise, and actual finished product.

Gotta go out to the backyard

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I don't think that the vast majority of what is on the list will actually come out in 2014. More likely most of those games wont come out at all really. I'm sure Stern will have another 2-3 titles that will ship next year, but won't be completed until 2015-2016. SkitB will probably get Predator out, Spooky may get AMH out and PPS may get MMR out in 2014. There's a small chance that TH will make 2014 by the skin of it's teeth. Anything more than that and I will be shocked. Jpop is really selling a 3rd game when games 1 and 2 are still essentially vaporware? The market is getting saturated and there is no way all of these companies will survive, even if just because of all the pre-order money being spent.

Brian

pin-saturation.

= price drop?

I'm in the camp that thinks no Jpop pin will ever get finished or produced. Hope I'm wrong for those that invested in the venture.

as many pinheads have said before, it is all about supply and demand. If we think that the market is getting saturated with pins, then pricing might need to be adjusted to spur more demand.

If a Harry Potter pin was to ever be made, I think JJP would be the company to do it and I would preorder in a sec but I've heard Rowlings is very very strict on licensing and approval.

I am convinced JJP is the only manufacturer who has a shot at the license.

yeah, I've never seen any Potter games, toys, lego, action figures, console games... a real hard brand to license. No way they'd do a pinball.

It's already happening. After Hobbit.

Did not say would never happen, just saying Rowlings has to approve it, I stated I would preorder in a heartbeat, I'm glad I finally got my first sarcastic reply! This is why I love Pinside!

MG will be out sooner (2014, likely) and worth the wait, from what I gather. Alice will probably be a ways off--not an official pre-order yet, I think.

Nobody mentioned Ben Heck's America's Most Haunted, a pretty complete and playable game at Expo. Really nice details and interesting layout, but to me the shots didn't feel quite as satisfying as in some games. A step above most recent games imo, though.

Heighway's game sounds cool and I like the approach; hope to get a chance to play one when it comes out.

I'm outta room for pins, but pre-ordered a MMr. Love the game, not sure if I'll buy the LE tho. Will give the Hobbit a long look, as WOZ is killer imo and I suspet TH will be too; just insufficient incentive to pre-order this one. Still very underwhelmed by the Predator layout and artwork, although the plastics I've seen (from BackAlley) look crazy good. P3? Might be interesting someday... Stern? They'd have to step up their game with a creative design, a la WPT or LOTR (and maybe with LCD) for me to consider one. MET is their only title I found moderately appealing from the past 2-3 years.

Yeah, I think WOZ is a nice showcase to pitch a Harry Potter pin. The custom toys, LCD, and 'classic' feel would work well with HP. Stern games are too stripped-down these days to appeal to a picky licensor, imo.

Source?

Harry Potter's time has passed. Books and movies are done. Not remotely old enough (ala WOZ) to considered retro, vintage, or classic. Kinda like a 10 year old computer. Too slow to be useful, too new to be collectable.

If I'm going to be spending $7.5k on a pinball machine again its going to be The Hobbit LE. While I love my ACDC premium after buying a WOZECLE I'll only be buying (NIB at least) JJP games until Stern steps up their game and offers more for the prices they are charging. After having my WOZ for just a few days I'm still impressed by everything in and outside of the game. The toys, the quality, code / rules , the menu system, heck even the way the machine was packed and presented upon opening have exceeded my expectations.

I'm hoping that their third pin will be Harry Potter as I would likely try and get that too. While the Harry Potter movies haven't been out for long in my opinion I would say it would be a great theme (and classic over time) considering how popular the films and books have been. Also, I heard that prequel films (set hundreds of years before the books) will be made.

I think you underestimate the importance of Harry Potter to a certain generation. It's their Star Wars. The books/movies sucked in entire families - so it's a perfect theme for pinball because it can appeal to any gender and age. It's still sorta new, but it's an evergreen property.

I saw every movie the weekend they opened. I understand their popularity....but the window has closed. Kids are onto the next big thing. Their attention spans are short.

A Harry Potter themed pin done well is a license to print money.

Actually they're going to do new films (and books) just set before the time of Harry Potter. So it's very much alive as a media property.

Reliable rumor from multiple sources. I wouldn't bet $1000 on it, but I'd put up $20.

Kids don't have $8000 for buying pinballs, they can play with Monster High or whatever instead.

We're the kids.....

Sometimes I don't know shit from Shinola, but I'll accept your bet and raise to an even $100!

WOW, I'm usually in the know, and I didn't know

You were correct before you ready his post.

Rumors/ reliable sources, I was never big into Harry Potter, haven't read any of the books only saw the last 2 movies in the theatre but ended up loving all the movies and theme, universal did an awesome job with The Wizarding World in Orlando and can't wait to enjoy a ButterBeer again when the expansion opens next year and if the rumors and reliable sources are true and JJP makes it as #3, then I'm in and it'll go next to my WOZECLE

if harry potter is true, it's gonna be a sure shot for jjp that's for sure. meaning sold out pretty fast!

I doubt it.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : I don't know.

I don't know. And wouldn't want to know. If I don't know and something gets leaked, it wasn't me.

And things change. Two years ago at Expo Jack asked Drew to talk to me, we talked about two titles they were considering and an unlicensed game. I gave him my thoughts. Then along came Hobbit and schedules changed. So no idea if either of the two titles or an unlicensed game is in the future or if they were dropped as possible future games.

When I was in NJ in June there was talk of a game. And again I have no idea if it will happen or what will.

Since I'm not at the factory, Pinside will probably know before me. Or when we get JJP updates.

I just hope what ever it is, when it hits the assembly line I get a peek under the hood to help people if they need it.

LTG : )

Lloyd, from what I can tell you have helped alot of people in the pinball community and not just with WOZ and from someone who will prob be coming to you for help in the next few weeks, I would like to say Thank you Lloyd!

Would you prefer several years ago when Stern was knocking at death's door?

Maybe swapping a game and buying beer to enjoy the ones I have.

(Do not plan on buying anything NIB again)

JPOP seems to have the folks that visit him impressed with how things are progressing. Still, there seem to be more announcements of more pins before the first one has gotten out the door.

Some of the boutique pins look like they were put together in someone's garage. They just aren't of the same quality as Stern and JJP. Some of them are surely going to flame out financially or lose their motivation to see it through.

Reliable rumor is an oxymoron.

Kim
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Shrug. Either it happens or it doesn't. I have no stake in it, and no one will remember if I was right or wrong by the time the next game is announced. Hell, I could be 100% right and JJP changes it because of [reasons]. I happen to believe that it's true, I guess we'll find out.

Where is Thunderbirds?

(ducks)