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Stern Insider Connected

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2 years ago


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Post #1031 Notes directly from Stern's presentation to Stern Army members. Posted by chuckwurt (2 years ago)

Post #1043 Additional notes from the Stern presentation. Posted by Smack (2 years ago)

Post #2423 Stern Splitter for IC on Batman 66 and other amazingly loaded games! Posted by NeilMcRae (2 years ago)

Post #3320 Methods for leaderboards on location. Posted by davegauth (1 year ago)

Post #4641 Info regarding which chipsets in the dongles are likely to work. Posted by TrixTrix (1 year ago)

Post #4880 Sharing QR readers still works after Apr 20 2023 IC update Posted by ChrisBardon (12 months ago)


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#2751 2 years ago
Quoted from JStoltz:

It's been brought up a couple times, but the RJ45 connectors/cabling used in Spike 2 are not for your typical network usage;

Not true. Per Stern's Spike System Manual:
"The SPIKE node bus utilizes standard Ethernet-style RJ45 8-pin modular jacks and ethernet cabling."
I have personally verified this using a NS-468 Cable Tester on Spike2 network cables. The wiring configuration is exactly the same as a standard ethernet patch cable.

Quoted from JStoltz:

they use it as a convenient fieldbus for their own protocols (and power distribution).

True that Stern has it's own protocol that's different from typical home ethernet usage. Regardless, the physical cabling pinouts are the same for both.

Quoted from JStoltz:

If you buy a standard QR code reader with an RJ45 connector on it and hook that into a Spike 2 system, it's going to damage either the QR reader, the Spike 2 system, or both.

By "standard QR reader" you mean like the one provided by Stern? If so, connecting it with a standard RJ-45 ethernet patch cable will do no harm. In fact the cable provided by Stern in the QR reader kit is a standard ethernet patch cable.

Quoted from JStoltz:

The QR Reader won't be expecting the higher voltages on the ethernet cable that Spike 2 is sending.

Not true. Using a standard ethernet cable, the voltage and signaling presented to the QR reader will be the same as a Stern LAN cable.

In fact, in a friends Beatles I have installed a QR Reader in the coin door using a straight thru splitter at the cabinet Node 1 board. It's close proximity allows the use of a short (horror of horrors) standard ethernet cable. No long cabling to Node 8 or a long cable to the back box is necessary. No touching the PF or Backbox. Short and Sweet. Works perfect. I'll save the details for another post.

On a side note, in the ethernet cabling world there is POE, Power Over Ethernet (google is your friend) using 2 spare wires in an ethernet cable for sending power to appropriately configured devices. So it's not surprising that Stern is using the same concept in their own network protocol, which standard RJ-45 ethernet cables are happy to accommodate.

#2756 2 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

.. You are wrong that it's the 'same cabling pinouts' as ethernet. ..

How is that wrong? Please help me to understand. I've seen repeatedly that you can't use Ethernet Cable in a Spike2 Network because it's different. I wanted to see this difference so I isolated and tested a Spike2 Network Cable using a NS-468 Cable Tester. It not only tests the continuity of each wire but each wires sequential appearance on the RJ-45 plug. And the results are the same testing an Ethernet Cable. If it's not the same, then using a cable splitter with standard Ethernet cable on the Spike2 network should somehow fail yet the Node 4 QR Reader works fine doing this at the Node 1 location and at the Node 8 location. Zero issues. What am I missing?

#2757 2 years ago
Quoted from JStoltz:

(google is your friend) Fwiw, this seems disproportionately condescending, since I was just trying to save the guy time and money with a simple explanation, not pretending to be smarter than anyone…..

My Google comment was on a side note description at the end of my post about a Power Over Ethernet option which I suspect most people might be unaware hence to check it out with Google. I'm sorry if it was taken as a jab to your entire post as that was not my intent.

#2763 2 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

The difference is the node boards use 48v and computer EQUIPMENT does not. ...

And there in lies the confusion.
Stern clearly states that ethernet EQUIPMENT and PORTS are not compatible and may cause damage. Agreed. My contention is the network CABELING is standard and can be used to extend or move the QR Reader without issue.

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#2865 2 years ago

If you want to install the Stern Insider Connected Upgrade Kit and don't want to alter/mess with your existing playfield apron, a coin door mount kit is a nice solution. And here is a low cost and much simpler way to do it...

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#2979 1 year ago

Anybody else notice any audio issues after installing Insider Connected? I have a Star Wars and at the end of game Obi-Wan says "Remember, the Force will be with you always". But about 1/3 of the time the beginning of that audio is cutoff: "...ember, the Force will be with you always". I've also heard audio gaps on my Beatles as well. I suspect IC is doing something causing the audio interruption. Anybody else experience similar? FWIW, I connect all my ICs with high speed LAN and not Wi-Fi.

#2991 1 year ago

If you want to install the Stern Insider Connected Upgrade Kit and don't want to alter/mess with your existing playfield apron, a coin door mount is a nice solution. And here is a low cost and much simpler way to do it...

SOLD!
Mod - For Sale
New (selling multiple, business) - “If you want to install the Stern (Spike2) Insider Connected Upgrade Kit and don't want to alter/mess with your nice playfield apron, a coin door mount kit is a nice solution. And h...”
2022-05-08
Naperville, IL
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Archived after: 16 days
Viewed: 658 times
Status: Sold (amount private)

#2996 1 year ago
Quoted from LeMansFan:

I think my only concern about having a cable on hand is that one of the machines I'm setting it up on is a Star Wars. I'd read that a longer cable is needed because it has to go to the LCD screen on the playfield, rather than the normal spot they've been going.

Another option, use my low cost kit to mount the QR reader in the coin door and no additional cables are needed. You also get to keep your original apron intact. (see post 2991) I only have 2 kits left!
But to your question, any standard Ethernet patch cable will work fine.

2 weeks later
#3077 1 year ago
Quoted from Bagdad:

What is the best option to route the wire outside of the cab if I go wired and have a topper? Bottom cab back grill?

The Easiest may not be the Best. The easiest is to lift a few staples from one of the bottom cabinet air holes and shove the cable through. I preferred using a real LAN jack on the back of the cabinet. Or you can do the same on the cabinet bottom if preferred. Yes, it takes a few dollars and more time but the final install is clean and conveniently functional.
Of course YMMV.

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#3079 1 year ago
Quoted from Fezmid:

Love it! What part is that and how did you male the hole in the cabinet for it?

Since I had multiple pins to modify, I bought a pack of 5 of these Female to Female RJ45 Ethernet connectors from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B091TJRQYC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00
They are Black not Gray as shown. The cabinet drill bit needed was a 15/16". For a smoother hole I used a Forstner drill bit but any sharp drill bit should work. To secure the connector to the cabinet I used some extra screws I had lying around. Internally I used a 10 ft Ethernet cable. 10 ft so I could route the cable the same as the existing head to cabinet cables to allow for a smooth backbox fold down.

2 months later
#3636 1 year ago

From Stern:
"When the game is registered to a home location and set to Free Play,
Home Team can be enabled..."

Is there any reason that Free Play MUST be set for a Home Location?
There are a lot of us that prefer/enjoy/use coin play in our homes.

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#3895 1 year ago
Quoted from ReadyPO:I agree with this - bought mine from TeeJayN as it was set up with a splitter to use the Node1 board and I didn't need to run a long cable to the back. Super easy and I left my apron alone....
I have a few more IC coin door mount kits if anyone is interested.

#3897 1 year ago
Quoted from Fezmid:

I noticed the documentation says, "An optional Wired network kit (502-8007-00) is available for a convenient port at the bottom of the cabinet," but that part doesn't seem to exist anywhere. Looks like it is a keystone jack which would be nice to prevent accidentally moving a machine and ripping the jack off of the node board. Has anyone made their own?

I installed a RJ-45 coupler in the back of the cabinet. See posts #3077 and #3079.

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