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Stern Insider Connected

By anathematize

2 years ago


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#806 2 years ago
Quoted from tbaum:

Sure, but when does "stuff that should have come with the purchase price or in the past as a free update" suddenly become "additional content". For a product at this price point, you shouldn't have to worry that you won't get the full experience.
I'm not saying are absolutely going this, but it is starting to sound like the EA model of games, where you pay for 60% of a game and then have to pay more to "unlock" the rest.</

That's a strawman logical fallacy. No one is arguing you should own an incomplete game.
Trying to define "complete" in a situation where you can add things after the game leaves the factory is a fools errand. Do we buy computers that are not complete because we can add software to them to suit our use case? Of course not. The computer is complete as we purchased it. If we want additional capabilities we can add them.

When buying a computer you know what it comes with, installed software, hardware capabilities, yadda yadda. With pinball the trend has been to ship incomplete code with the understanding that code will eventually be “completed”,but now we enter the land of world of anybody’s guess as to what you will or will not get, that’s a huge difference.

#819 2 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:What exactly is the difference? It's always been "anybody's guess as to what you will or will not get" with code updates. You can assume code will eventually get to 1.0 but you never know exactly what that entails.
If you're balking because people who pay extra can make your game do things you can't I refer you to the Supergame, standard on Judge Dredd . If I pay extra I get a completely different game experience.

Recent track record would indicate that Stern turned the corner on not completing or fleshing out game code. My expectation would be that buying a game now and moving foreare would include code as finished as their recent titles, that would include features like playing the wizard modes Escape Nublar or AIQ’s BOM. If features like that are now behind a paywall I think they should let people know.

#824 2 years ago
Quoted from Darscot:

My take away on this. Stern needs to put way more effort into educated and explaining this stuff. Seems like most pinballers think of online with all the negativity and failure from decades ago. There is just so much misinformation and fear towards this technology. Stern clearly needs to provide way more details and their long term vision. A lot of people are assuming the worst.

Stern’s track record isn’t helpful: transformer’s QR codes , Stranger Things UV kits, Topper specific modes…etc.

Buying an 8-12k pinball machine should not be like a buying a box of chocolates.

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#870 2 years ago

Would personally like to be able to have any added rules/modes purchased for the game be able to be played by any player and not limited to those that have IC.

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#1791 2 years ago

If I have the IC connected installed would players need to log in to access the other modes? If a 4 player games was being played and only 1 player was IC would everyone have access to the extra modes?

#1794 2 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

I would expect entitlements to follow the game - not the signed in player.

That’s what I’m hoping as well. I don’t want to force people to sign up for IC to play features in the game.

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