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Stern Insider Connected

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    #2401 5 months ago

    I just ordered 3 kits, all Premium and plan to use the coin door mount.
    Time will tell if it was a good strategy.

    #2402 5 months ago

    Stupid question if you mount there what about volume speaker kit :O

    #2403 5 months ago

    Someone here made an adapter that can accommodate it. I’ll find the link.

    (Edit) found it

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-insider-connected-qr-code-reader-coin-door-mount

    #2404 5 months ago
    Quoted from acedanger:

    Lol the apron is worth 10 bucks what we’re all paying for is the code.

    I'm sure Stern's cost is probably around that, but if you go to buy an apron from a parts supplier it will cost you $70. So if someone gets one for "free" with an IC kit, they might be able to sell it for ~$40 and recoup some cash. I think that was the point the poster was trying to make.

    #2405 5 months ago
    Quoted from mattosborn:

    I'm sure Stern's cost is probably around that, but if you go to buy an apron from a parts supplier it will cost you $70. So if someone gets one for "free" with an IC kit, they might be able to sell it for ~$40 and recoup some cash. I think that was the point the poster was trying to make.

    loooool in the ten years I've been on this site I've never heard of anyone ever looking for an Apron. Unless it was a colored transparent Apron. I honestly think if you try & sell one it might take a while IMO not even worth the hassle...

    #2406 5 months ago
    Quoted from mattosborn:

    I'm sure Stern's cost is probably around that, but if you go to buy an apron from a parts supplier it will cost you $70. So if someone gets one for "free" with an IC kit, they might be able to sell it for ~$40 and recoup some cash. I think that was the point the poster was trying to make.

    Buy a machine for close to 7K then buy SIC & try to get $40 bucks back loooool

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    #2407 5 months ago

    Question: Has anyone tried connecting an IC kit for Batman 66 yet and run into any issues?

    I made an IC plate for the coin door (because I didn’t want to mess up the look of the apron), but there are no open/free Ethernet connections on the node board.

    Any ideas or advise would greatly be appreciated.

    -David

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    #2408 5 months ago
    Quoted from ULEKstore:

    Question: Has anyone tried connecting an IC kit for Batman 66 yet and run into any issues?

    I made an IC plate for the coin door (because I didn’t want to mess up the look of the apron), but there are no open/free Ethernet connections on the node board.

    Any ideas or advise would greatly be appreciated.

    -David

    I connected my machines to a free connector in the head, I think it's often used for toppers.

    #2409 5 months ago
    Quoted from ULEKstore:

    Question: Has anyone tried connecting an IC kit for Batman 66 yet and run into any issues?
    I made an IC plate for the coin door (because I didn’t want to mess up the look of the apron), but there are no open/free Ethernet connections on the node board.
    Any ideas or advise would greatly be appreciated.
    -David
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    Check out this thread from the Batman66 club thread. The new run of Batman66 games that comes with Insider Connected already installed at the factory uses a splitter.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/batman-66-official-club-thread/page/344#post-6724908
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    #2410 5 months ago

    My picture is famous! Hey anywhere I can get the kit for a premium or are these on backorder everywhere? I want to install one in my Avengers and LZ.

    #2411 5 months ago
    Quoted from ULEKstore:

    Question: Has anyone tried connecting an IC kit for Batman 66 yet and run into any issues?
    I made an IC plate for the coin door (because I didn’t want to mess up the look of the apron), but there are no open/free Ethernet connections on the node board.
    Any ideas or advise would greatly be appreciated.
    -David
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    I really like the look of your plate but would love to see what you could do with a “Bat Scanner” or similar text to integrate it into the theme since home users are going to know what it’s for.

    #2412 5 months ago
    Quoted from shaub:

    I connected my machines to a free connector in the head

    I I did the same and works great. I also have a topper and still had a free RJ45 port in the head

    #2413 5 months ago
    Quoted from eharan:

    I I did the same and works great. I also have a topper and still had a free RJ45 port in the head

    It probably depends what game you have. Like I know the Stern topper for JP adds an extra game mode and lights up differently based on what you are doing in the game, so there is data going between the topper and the game, so I'm assuming it would need that network cable plugged in. Versus being just something that lights up, like the Tilt Topper I have on my JP.

    #2414 5 months ago
    Quoted from jfh:

    I really like the look of your plate but would love to see what you could do with a “Bat Scanner” or similar text to integrate it into the theme since home users are going to know what it’s for.

    Noice! I absolutely LOVE that idea.
    We just did it (matching the color scheme and look of Stern's IC stickers, etc) for our arcade, so ppl can easily recognize where to scan their QR code.
    However, a Bat Scanner "look" would be perfect for the home use folks.

    DM me with your shipping address and I'll send you one for free (if you'd like) for coming up with the idea.

    #2415 5 months ago
    Quoted from ULEKstore:

    Noice! I absolutely LOVE that idea.
    We just did it (matching the color scheme and look of Stern's IC stickers, etc) for our arcade, so ppl can easily recognize where to scan their QR code.
    However, a Bat Scanner "look" would be perfect for the home use folks.
    DM me with your shipping address and I'll send you one for free (if you'd like) for coming up with the idea.

    Yeah that was a missed opportunity for stern while they were updating the apron art for this last run with IC. Would have loved to see bat scanner on there. Maybe a mod can be done? Here is mine. Thoughts? Maybe remove the big dumb red card and put something better there.

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    #2416 5 months ago

    Ordered 2 premium kits and installed one today. The insider decals were different. The one on the left is wrong, it’s a square without the diagonal cut out on the left. Must be for a standard?

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    #2417 5 months ago
    Quoted from Jj557:

    Ordered 2 premium kits and installed one today. The insider decals were different. The one on the left is wrong, it’s a square without the diagonal cut out on the left. Must be for a standard?[quoted image]

    Left decal is the generic IC pro apron decal.

    #2418 5 months ago

    Installed on both my avengers and iron maiden last night, noticed that the avengers reader lights up for a moment and then will not re-illuminate. Anyone had an issue like this?

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    #2419 5 months ago

    Does anyone know if it's possible to print your code and keep it on a piece of paper instead of your phone? Would that still work?

    #2420 5 months ago
    Quoted from tedwasright:

    Does anyone know if it's possible to print your code and keep it on a piece of paper instead of your phone? Would that still work?

    Yes

    #2421 5 months ago
    Quoted from tedwasright:

    Does anyone know if it's possible to print your code and keep it on a piece of paper instead of your phone? Would that still work?

    I laser engraved my QR on a piece of acrylic and then went over it with some white paint for better contrast. The issue with a printed QR or something of mine is there might not be enough light coming off of the reader to illuminate the code. I moved my readers to the coin door and relocated the quarter illumination bulbs to try and help with more light

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    #2422 5 months ago
    Quoted from Jj557:

    Must be for a standard?

    If you don’t need that pro decal, would you mind sending it to me? The one I got has a bent corner.
    (Or anyone that can help. Thanks!)

    #2423 5 months ago

    I posted this on the batman thread but thought it would be useful here:

    Anyone with a Batman '66 LE or SLE with the topper, there is no spare port for the IC - on new games stern have included:

    amazon.com link »

    as a splitter to create a port for IC.

    I think any 8C8P splitter should work and I've got a couple (not the one above) being delivered to me in the UK today and will confirm when they arrive.

    Cheers,
    Neil.

    #2424 5 months ago
    Quoted from NeilMcRae:

    a splitter to create a port for IC.

    I am surprised that this works given how ethernet works and the fact that you need a powered network switch to "split" one ethernet run.

    Can someone explain how this works? Is the stern node bus not ethernet based?

    (not questioning that it DOES work...clearly stern knows it works if they are doing it at the factory. just wondering WHY it works

    #2425 5 months ago

    The node bus is serial, like RS485, with 48V power on same cable. Not Ethernet although it uses Ethernet cabling.

    #2426 5 months ago
    Quoted from scootss:

    Is the stern node bus not ethernet based?

    From what I understand SPIKE uses a custom network node system similar to ethernet or Canbus, but specifically for their needs in a pinball machine. Using regular ethernet cabling keeps the cost of the hardware down.

    #2427 5 months ago

    in my view it feels much more like token ring than anything else...

    Neil.

    #2428 5 months ago
    Quoted from Tuukka:The node bus is serial, like RS485, with 48V power on same cable. Not Ethernet although it uses Ethernet cabling.

    yes i agree, as each node board will have an dedicated address. in the Manual:
    https://sternpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SPIKE-System-Manual.pdf

    2.2 NODE BUS CABLING
    The SPIKE node bus utilizes standard Ethernet-style RJ45
    8-pin modular jacks and ethernet cabling. SPIKE nodes are not
    compatible with standard computer networking equipment.
    CAUTION: Plugging a SPIKE Node or CPU board into a standard
    Ethernet port may damage one or both devices and void your
    warranty.
    2.3 SYSTEM POWER
    The SPIKE System is powered from an 48V DC switching power
    supply. Each SPIKE node converts this voltage to lower voltages
    required by the node and its specific components. A SPIKE node
    controls high-power outputs such as game coils and some LEDs.
    These nodes are supplied directly with 48V system power. Other
    nodes are low-power boards that read switch inputs and output
    to standard-brightness LEDs.

    #2429 5 months ago
    Quoted from scootss:

    I am surprised that this works given how ethernet works and the fact that you need a powered network switch to "split" one ethernet run.
    Can someone explain how this works? Is the stern node bus not ethernet based?
    (not questioning that it DOES work...clearly stern knows it works if they are doing it at the factory. just wondering WHY it works

    Its not ethernet. Its a power circuit and a data bus.

    #2430 5 months ago

    I picked up an IC kit for my LZ LE yesterday at Old Town Pinball in Saint Augustine FL. They had a few more in stock...

    #2431 5 months ago

    Does anyone else have frequent issues logging into the IC web app? Most times it doesn’t want to log me in. Tried to create accounts for my kids and the website just stops working. Seems a little buggier than I expected for a production rollout. Is IC still considered beta or is it considered full production? It doesn’t behave like I would expect from a production software deployment.

    #2432 5 months ago
    Quoted from thekaiser82:

    Does anyone else have frequent issues logging into the IC web app? Most times it doesn’t want to log me in. Tried to create accounts for my kids and the website just stops working. Seems a little buggier than I expected for a production rollout. Is IC still considered beta or is it considered full production? It doesn’t behave like I would expect from a production software deployment.

    Yeah, I’ve been having difficulty logging in today too. Normally it works fine, but today has been spotty at best. Servers are either bogged down or they’re doing some maintenance, and in typically Stern fashion, not communicating about it.

    #2433 5 months ago
    Quoted from PDXFlipper:

    Installed on both my avengers and iron maiden last night, noticed that the avengers reader lights up for a moment and then will not re-illuminate. Anyone had an issue like this?
    [quoted image]

    Yes, I have the exact same issue. Posted maybe a week ago in this thread. They are sending a new one, sounds like it's a common issue they are having.

    #2434 5 months ago
    Quoted from cabal:

    yes i agree, as each node board will have an dedicated address. in the Manual:
    https://sternpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SPIKE-System-Manual.pdf

    2.2 NODE BUS CABLING
    The SPIKE node bus utilizes standard Ethernet-style RJ45
    8-pin modular jacks and ethernet cabling. SPIKE nodes are not
    compatible with standard computer networking equipment.
    CAUTION: Plugging a SPIKE Node or CPU board into a standard
    Ethernet port may damage one or both devices and void your
    warranty.
    2.3 SYSTEM POWER
    The SPIKE System is powered from an 48V DC switching power
    supply. Each SPIKE node converts this voltage to lower voltages
    required by the node and its specific components. A SPIKE node
    controls high-power outputs such as game coils and some LEDs.
    These nodes are supplied directly with 48V system power. Other
    nodes are low-power boards that read switch inputs and output
    to standard-brightness LEDs.

    Very helpful. Thanks.

    #2436 5 months ago

    Got this today, no idea why. I'm not subscribed to the insider program..Stern auto billed me and I had it reversed earlier

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    #2437 5 months ago
    Quoted from Tuukka:

    The node bus is serial, like RS485, with 48V power on same cable. Not Ethernet although it uses Ethernet cabling.

    It is RS485, as can be attested when looking at the node board schematics.

    So yes you can have a splitter, although it's not recommended, but if a the end of the chain (or beginning), it's not a big deal

    #2438 5 months ago

    Does anyone have IC kits in stock?

    #2439 5 months ago
    Quoted from Hayfarmer:

    Got this today, no idea why. I'm not subscribed to the insider program..Stern auto billed me and I had it reversed earlier
    [quoted image][quoted image]

    Same. Wife got me the Insider membership for Christmas last year (and got the kit with the hat, patch, lanyard, pin, etc) and it got auto-renewed this year. I wrote an email to ask what I was getting for my $40 (and how to prevent it from auto-renewing next year) since the renewal said no shipping was needed and that arrived a few days later with no reply to my email. So consider yourself lucky?

    #2440 5 months ago
    Quoted from docquest:

    Check out this thread from the Batman66 club thread. The new run of Batman66 games that comes with Insider Connected already installed at the factory uses a splitter.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/batman-66-official-club-thread/page/344#post-6724908
    [quoted image]

    Just to add to the Insider connected topic here: I helped rig up a kit in B66 Premium and we replaced the apron with a Pro insider connected apron for now. we ran a regular cat5e cable you can get at microcenter from the IC kit to the ethernet plug in the backbox that was being used for the topper. I believe will will be splitting the plug in the future and modding the original apron to install the kit into it, but it was a working solution for now. This is on location and neat to see up and running.

    #2441 5 months ago

    So do you think Stern will keep supporting this and keep the servers online? Would suck to invest into upgrading pins with it and then have it obsolete in a couple years. Disclaimer I love it. I want to upgrade my Avengers and Elvira at some point.

    #2442 5 months ago
    Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

    So do you think Stern will keep supporting this and keep the servers online? Would suck to invest into upgrading pins with it and then have it obsolete in a couple years. Disclaimer I love it. I want to upgrade my Avengers and Elvira at some point.

    Yes. It is a major effort for them and will be a focal point going forward. They have been diversifying their products for years.

    #2443 5 months ago
    Quoted from John_I:I picked up an IC kit for my LZ LE yesterday at Old Town Pinball in Saint Augustine FL. They had a few more in stock...

    HUGE THANK YOU JOHN! Just ordered a kit for my LZ Premium - been looking everywhere for one of these and they still had one in stock. you are the man!!!!

    #2444 5 months ago
    Quoted from John-Floyd:

    HUGE THANK YOU JOHN! Just ordered a kit for my LZ Premium - been looking everywhere for one of these and they still had one in stock. you are the man!!!!

    Thank you to you both! Just ordered a kit for my TMNT premium. There are 2 premium kits still in stock, pro is out of stock.

    https://oldtownpinball.com/shop-new/ols/products/stern-insider-kit-for-premium-machines

    #2445 5 months ago

    and now they're gone.....

    #2446 5 months ago

    Took me a while but I got through this entire post.

    I have an Insider Connected, code neutered, Mando Pro (v1.02 code). It shipped with the hardware installed. I am relocating the scanner to the coin door.

    Looking for an apron without the IC hole. I cant find them in any pinball store inventory. Anyone selling them?

    Also, it appears to me that this is a camera(?). So we have a machine with Linux at its core, WiFi and connected to the internet. My mind wanders about exploits and hackers, lol.

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    #2447 5 months ago
    Quoted from torpedo2k:

    Took me a while but I got through this entire post.
    I have an Insider Connected, code neutered, Mando Pro (v1.02 code). It shipped with the hardware installed. I am relocating the scanner to the coin door.
    Looking for an apron without the IC hole. I cant find them in any pinball store inventory. Anyone selling them?
    Also, it appears to me that this is a camera(?). So we have a machine with Linux at its core, WiFi and connected to the internet. My mind wanders about exploits and hackers, lol.[quoted image]

    All pro aprons for the last couple years have had that hole hidden under the right side triangle decal. See if Stern can send you that decal to cover it up.

    #2448 5 months ago
    Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

    All pro aprons for the last couple years have had that hole hidden under the right side triangle decal. See if Stern can send you that decal to cover it up.

    Good to know! Thank you

    #2449 5 months ago
    Quoted from torpedo2k:

    So we have a machine with Linux at its core, WiFi and connected to the internet. My mind wanders about exploits and hackers, lol.[quoted image]

    Russian hackers gonna get a lot of shots of neckbearded pinball dudes...

    #2450 5 months ago
    Quoted from blizz81:

    Russian hackers gonna get a lot of shots of neckbearded pinball dudes...

    What if you play at home without pants?

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