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    #751 4 months ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    Im late to this thread, so my apologies if this has been covered.
    Is the system designed to "push"?
    You register on a game, and do poorly, or fantastic....
    Can an operator send you a Free Game that you redeem with a Phone Scan?
    To me, THAT would generate additional revenue on location.

    Yes. Unsure how it's going to be implemented but that's my understanding and can be specific to the location or game.

    Would be cool if it allows things like - I haven't seen you in x amount days. Here is a free credit to get you back playing. Or you just played 10 games (any games over any amount of time) - here is a free credit.

    #752 4 months ago
    Quoted from GoodOmens:

    Yes. Unsure how it's going to be implemented but that's my understanding and can be specific to the location or game.
    Would be cool if it allows things like - I haven't seen you in x amount days. Here is a free credit to get you back playing. Or you just played 10 games (any games over any amount of time) - here is a free credit.

    Thanks! That Alone, and what you suggest, will create great Marketing ideas, unique to user.
    Buiuld a Small Library of ads...."Free Beer, and Game",
    "Someone Beat your high score, heres 2 free games to get it back!"
    Your DNA Champ title has been stolen! Seek revenge! Your Free Game awaits!
    or by time. Free Games during slower hours.

    If used well, and thoroughly, it should inspire serious players to benefit, and marketing and revenue for Operators.

    Any future TV/Vid Productions can Tap into this for Leader Boards, and recognition too.

    #753 4 months ago

    Can't wait for a mod for the QR scanner to be on the coin door or somewhere else.

    And judging by the images from Godzilla, it looks like games going forward the best apron art packages will be on the Premium/LE. While the Pro gets nothing.

    #754 4 months ago
    Quoted from NoQuarters:

    Codes are for individual players not the machine. You scan to join and enter your personal information and then are issued a unique code to track you and your accomplishments. Latter on you will be offered some feature or content for a fee - subscription based. Revenue stream for Stern - that's really what this is about and the end game.

    subscription based for the player or for the op?
    and if for the op per game fees?

    #755 4 months ago
    Quoted from NoQuarters:

    Codes are for individual players not the machine. You scan to join and enter your personal information and then are issued a unique code to track you and your accomplishments. Latter on you will be offered some feature or content for a fee - subscription based. Revenue stream for Stern - that's really what this is about and the end game.

    we need an IFPA ruling on that.

    Must all games be locked to free mode? offline / local tournament mode?
    If the network goes down the game must not turn off anything mid game?
    What about in Herb format? NO online play? Games must be able to let people use online stuff even if network is down at login time? (work like old dial up golden tee?)

    #756 4 months ago
    Quoted from Gotfrogs:

    I have asked the exact same question. What you described is how Scorbit has implemented things. It works perfect on WOZ and hobbit with no extra hardware required (just a WiFi usb dongle).
    https://scorbit.io/

    Everyone had this conversation 3 weeks ago...

    #757 4 months ago

    Really interested to see if they integrate in the future a slick setup that can used within tournaments or via streamer channels. Graphics and score overlays, so to speak.

    #758 4 months ago
    Quoted from cabal:

    But if everything is only app based you will need to put 30% back to apple store. In game purchases will not be possible and gets very complicated.
    With the feature to integrate it into the machine they will have control on what ever app stores will do. It will be just a free app to see your stats and achievements. You can still go to pc with a browser and just print your individual code and be happy and do your purchases there. On the Boom side i guess it's way exagerated 200$. My guess it's an 12$ scanner and a hole in the apron and a 8$ wifi adapter.
    from Stern side i think it's a smart move to go this way and keep everything in their own control.
    and get as much information as possible from the games.
    to have the price increase and the customers pay for this another thing. Everybody is paying for features they may use or not.
    But in the end it is coming and we still have the choice to buy pinball machines or not.
    Personally i do not like it.

    and a $100+ node board?

    #759 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    subscription based for the player or for the op?
    and if for the op per game fees?

    It would only make sense if it were for the operators unless it unlocked some sort ability to get rewards from Stern itself (t-shirts etc).

    For operators, as I mentioned earlier, paid features could be things like online access to earnings, ability to export to things like quicken, remote access to machine issues (and maybe ability to change settings remotely?), analytics about play frequency and times etc. Things a player or home user wouldn't care about.

    Heck maybe this can start enabling things like dynamic pricing. A game is not being used a lot? Price declines. Or at least the ability for operators to gather metrics to make better decisions on things like price.

    #760 4 months ago
    Quoted from cabal:

    But if everything is only app based you will need to put 30% back to apple store. In game purchases will not be possible and gets very complicated.

    This has nothing to do with the handshake solution between the player and the game.

    Besides, they aren't getting away from having an app - it's all about how they believe players will engage with and what friction they think exists for a player to actually "join" a game.

    Quoted from cabal:

    from Stern side i think it's a smart move to go this way and keep everything in their own control.

    I think Stern just saw what their buddy company Raw Thrills was doing and followed along.

    #761 4 months ago
    Quoted from GoodOmens:

    It would only make sense if it were for the operators unless it unlocked some sort ability to get rewards from Stern itself (t-shirts etc).
    For operators, as I mentioned earlier, paid features could be things like online access to earnings, ability to export to things like quicken, remote access to machine issues (and maybe ability to change settings remotely?), analytics about play frequency and times etc. Things a player or home user wouldn't care about.
    Heck maybe this can start enabling things like dynamic pricing. A game is not being used a lot? Price declines. Or at least the ability for operators to gather metrics to make better decisions on things like price.

    Good Points.

    T shirts Sell for $3.99 inc shipping from overseas to your door.
    Sending out T-shirts that Promote Stern, and Your Play, would be a low cost Boner.

    #762 4 months ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    Good Points.
    T shirts Sell for $3.99 inc shipping from overseas to your door.
    Sending out T-shirts that Promote Stern, and Your Play, would be a low cost Boner.

    At the end of the day operators are the reason the HUO market has gone nuts. I do hope Stern throws them a bone and doesn't make some of the more innovative potential too big of barrier to be used. I'd love to be able to message operators and let them know something on a particular machine is not working right and for them it'd be great if those "bug" reports can be tracked in a sensible manner.

    #763 4 months ago
    Quoted from GoodOmens:

    It would only make sense if it were for the operators unless it unlocked some sort ability to get rewards from Stern itself (t-shirts etc).
    For operators, as I mentioned earlier, paid features could be things like online access to earnings, ability to export to things like quicken, remote access to machine issues (and maybe ability to change settings remotely?), analytics about play frequency and times etc. Things a player or home user wouldn't care about.
    Heck maybe this can start enabling things like dynamic pricing. A game is not being used a lot? Price declines. Or at least the ability for operators to gather metrics to make better decisions on things like price.

    But if they start doing DLC with operators?
    They did have the topper DLC for at least 1 game. And if they start doing that for connected with need paid Tiers? for some mode?

    #764 4 months ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    I think Stern just saw what their buddy company Raw Thrills was doing and followed along.

    Stern system looks likes it works exactly like the Starbucks mobile apps. That has to be the end goal.

    #765 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    and a $100+ node board?

    i am not sure about this, i think it's just plugging into an existing Nodeboard or the mainboard.
    The pictures i have seen for the kid, there was only the apron, wifi, cable, sd-card, scanner.

    But you could be correct that it may be integrated in the scanner

    #766 4 months ago

    From Replay Magazine: Stern to charge monthly fee for code and features associated with online platform.

    Quote:

    All-Access Connected is a subscription version of the experience, focused on providing additional player features along with behind-the-scenes development stuff, early access, special events and quests. In the future, we intend to create exclusive game extensions, such as special access to new modes or new rules and features to increase the All-Access Connected value.

    https://www.replaymag.com/stern-pinball-insider-connected-0921/

    #767 4 months ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    From Replay Magazine: Stern to charge monthly fee for code and features associated with online platform.
    Quote:
    All-Access Connected is a subscription version of the experience, focused on providing additional player features along with behind-the-scenes development stuff, early access, special events and quests. In the future, we intend to create exclusive game extensions, such as special access to new modes or new rules and features to increase the All-Access Connected value.
    https://www.replaymag.com/stern-pinball-insider-connected-0921/

    This is the largest, steamiest, stankest pile of bulljive in the history of bovine droppings!!!

    #768 4 months ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    All-Access Connected is a subscription version of the experience, focused on providing additional player features along with behind-the-scenes development stuff, early access, special events and quests. In the future, we intend to create exclusive game extensions, such as special access to new modes or new rules and features to increase the All-Access Connected value.

    per player subscription? or per game (op) side subscription?

    exclusive game extensions that are paid per player are very bad for tournament play

    #769 4 months ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    Thanks! That Alone, and what you suggest, will create great Marketing ideas, unique to user.
    Buiuld a Small Library of ads...."Free Beer, and Game",
    "Someone Beat your high score, heres 2 free games to get it back!"
    Your DNA Champ title has been stolen! Seek revenge! Your Free Game awaits!
    or by time. Free Games during slower hours.
    If used well, and thoroughly, it should inspire serious players to benefit, and marketing and revenue for Operators.
    Any future TV/Vid Productions can Tap into this for Leader Boards, and recognition too.

    Operators needs to be in control of free games on there games and not have you got 10 free games on ANY connected game any where.

    #770 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    Operators needs to be in control of free games on there games and not have you got 10 free games on ANY connected game any where.

    Well you could potentially offer credits across different titles from the same operator (be it at one location or multiple), which is cool and can’t be done now.

    #771 4 months ago

    Scan QR code.

    Enter money and start a game.

    Flippers are locked and message from Stern pops up. Your subscription is past due. Please update your cc on file before you proceed. Any deviation will result in complete termination!

    #772 4 months ago

    I didn't see this posted elsewhere, but it seems the main page went live yesterday. https://insider.sternpinball.com

    You get this page when you scan the QR code they show in the videos.

    Note that they are blocking logins and signups and some things have changed since yesterday.

    #773 4 months ago
    Quoted from BaxterStockman:

    Can't wait for a mod for the QR scanner to be on the coin door or somewhere else.
    And judging by the images from Godzilla, it looks like games going forward the best apron art packages will be on the Premium/LE. While the Pro gets nothing.

    Kinda like new cars. I'm unable to order the paint color I like unless I get the higher trim.

    #774 4 months ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Scan QR code.
    Enter money and start a game.
    Flippers are locked and message from Stern pops up. Your subscription is past due. Please update your cc on file before you proceed. Any deviation will result in complete termination!

    and then the OP's get's an smashed up game.

    #775 4 months ago
    Quoted from mahony:

    Kinda like new cars. I'm unable to order the paint color I like unless I get the higher trim.

    new car smell is an $250 DLC now

    #776 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    new car smell is an $250 DLC now

    Yes this is true. They will add foul smells and ruin your new car smell unless you pay the fee. It's like cooked cabbage or something.

    #777 4 months ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    In the future, we intend to create exclusive game extensions, such as special access to new modes or new rules and features to increase the All-Access Connected value.

    Ok, let me ask some elephant in the room sized questions. User story: I walk up to a connected machine with my buddy. We want to play doubles. We both log in with our Qr code. I have access to game modes my buddy does not due to my advanced status or even possibly due to my level of subscription. Does the machine use my profile and temporarily give access to the exclusive modes to my buddy, OR does it limit my access to the least common modes available to both players, OR does it limit my buddy but give me the advantage of access to modes he does not, thus allowing me to kick his ass?

    How will this affect head to head play on the machine? Is this a level playfield anymore? Or will we have to agree NOT to login so the machine treats us both the same? If this is true, then how do my achievements accumulate if we are always playing unconnected games? I think we need to see this in the wild, figure out the weak points and see where we end up. Personally I don't play a lot of location pinball, so all of this is moot to me really, but it would be nice to know going forward.

    #778 4 months ago
    Quoted from Bublehead:

    Ok, let me ask some elephant in the room sized questions. User story: I walk up to a connected machine with my buddy. We want to play doubles. We both log in with our Qr code. I have access to game modes my buddy does not due to my advanced status or even possibly due to my level of subscription. Does the machine use my profile and temporarily give access to the exclusive modes to my buddy, OR does it limit my access to the least common modes available to both players, OR does it limit my buddy but give me the advantage of access to modes he does not, thus allowing me to kick his ass?
    How will this affect head to head play on the machine? Is this a level playfield anymore? Or will we have to agree NOT to login so the machine treats us both the same? If this is true, then how do my achievements accumulate if we are always playing unconnected games? I think we need to see this in the wild, figure out the weak points and see where we end up. Personally I don't play a lot of location pinball, so all of this is moot to me really, but it would be nice to know going forward.

    also if your advanced status you can upgrade this one game for an XX fee billed to your account as the op just has basic on this game.

    #779 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    Operators needs to be in control of free games on there games and not have you got 10 free games on ANY connected game any where.

    Of Course what I meant was Operator Control of Marketing.....They control any Pushed Ads to their Business, for someone who scans in.
    Certainly, the Customer is not in Control.

    #780 4 months ago

    So, looks like $39/year for added content.

    Quoted from Zaxxis:

    I didn't see this posted elsewhere, but it seems the main page went live yesterday. https://insider.sternpinball.com
    You get this page when you scan the QR code they show in the videos.
    Note that they are blocking logins and signups and some things have changed since yesterday.

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    #781 4 months ago

    Looks like a $300 kit going by the new note on older games like aiq and jp

    I suckered into toppers, but i think I’m tapping out unless there’s some compelling huo use cases.

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    #782 4 months ago

    Does that imply you can save $300 and not get Insider Connected installed at the factory?

    I though every game ships with that installed starting in September.

    #783 4 months ago
    Quoted from Gizmata:

    Does that imply you can save $300 and not get Insider Connected installed at the factory?
    I though every game ships with that installed starting in September.

    Looks like it at the moment. Another discouraging bit to the scheme. If you don’t get large adoption it seems doa to me.

    #784 4 months ago
    Quoted from Gizmata:

    Does that imply you can save $300 and not get Insider Connected installed at the factory?
    I though every game ships with that installed starting in September.

    On Godzilla, if the QR interface is not supplied, there is going to be a gaping hole in the standard apron where it would normally go, unless a different apron is provided instead, with that hole omitted. And, since the artwork is specifically made to go around that hole where the QR interface goes, there will likely be no artwork in that area anyway.

    #785 4 months ago

    Well, guess Stern doesn’t want me. It says the email address I’ve used for over twenty years has an invalid domain name and will not let me join Insider.

    Obviously there are still some bugs in the system.

    #786 4 months ago

    I was guessing they are checking for stern.com domain while they are doing internal testing.

    #787 4 months ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    On Godzilla, if the QR interface is not supplied, there is going to be a gaping hole in the standard apron where it would normally go, unless a different apron is provided instead, with that hole omitted. And, since the artwork is specifically made to go around that hole where the QR interface goes, there will likely be no artwork in that area anyway.

    According to the press release, Stern will provide art to cover the QR scanner for people who don't want to use it. It will be interesting to see if art that only goes over the QR window or new art for the whole apron.

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    #788 4 months ago
    Quoted from jedi42:

    So, looks like $39/year for added content.
    [quoted image]

    Coming soon - access to special game related content

    Really - I would have to pay $39 to unlock something on a machine I buy for multiple thousands of dollars ?

    When will they start putting ad's on the LCD when you push the start button ?
    ( Could that be the "partnering" George Gomez mentioned in an interview )

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    #789 4 months ago
    Quoted from NoQuarters:

    I would have to pay $39 to unlock something on a machine I buy for multiple thousands of dollars ?

    No. You don’t HAVE TO buy additional content. If you WANT TO buy additional content, you may.

    You don’t have to buy a color DMD with colorized game content. If you find value in that additional content you may buy it.

    #790 4 months ago
    Quoted from jedi42:

    So, looks like $39/year for added content.

    It’s already $39 a year. https://sternpinball.com/stern-insider/
    Not clear yet if this will be a separate thing. Seems likely they would have a less confusing name if it were a totally different program than Stern Insider.

    #791 4 months ago

    Well that's great that you can choose to use the connectivity or not. Forcing to login to the game would be instant death of Stern pinball.

    Quoted from docquest:

    According to the press release, Stern will provide art to cover the QR scanner for people who don't want to use it. It will be interesting to see if art that only goes over the QR window or new art for the whole apron.
    [quoted image]

    #792 4 months ago
    Quoted from jfh:

    Well, guess Stern doesn’t want me. It says the email address I’ve used for over twenty years has an invalid domain name and will not let me join Insider.
    Obviously there are still some bugs in the system.

    Yeah getting the same error.

    #793 4 months ago
    Quoted from BaxterStockman:

    Yeah getting the same error.

    It's not ready yet. I think someone said that way back in the thread.

    #794 4 months ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    No. You don’t HAVE TO buy additional content. If you WANT TO buy additional content, you may.
    You don’t have to buy a color DMD with colorized game content. If you find value in that additional content you may buy it.

    Sure, but when does "stuff that should have come with the purchase price or in the past as a free update" suddenly become "additional content". For a product at this price point, you shouldn't have to worry that you won't get the full experience.

    I'm not saying are absolutely going this, but it is starting to sound like the EA model of games, where you pay for 60% of a game and then have to pay more to "unlock" the rest.

    #795 4 months ago
    Quoted from NoQuarters:

    Coming soon - access to special game related content
    Really - I would have to pay $39 to unlock something on a machine I buy for multiple thousands of dollars ?
    When will they start putting ad's on the LCD when you push the start button ?
    ( Could that be the "partnering" George Gomez mentioned in an interview )

    Machine owners really should get a year or two thrown in for free. Make the determination then if it's worth it to continue.

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    #796 4 months ago
    Quoted from jedi42:

    So, looks like $39/year for added content.
    [quoted image]

    Hmmm wont let me sign up with my GMAIL account. says unable domain or something.

    #797 4 months ago
    Quoted from GoodOmens:

    Machine owners really should get a year or two thrown in for free. Make the determination then if it's worth it to continue.

    As long as the prices can increase like they are and sales don’t decline there’s no way stern will do any freebies. It’s lame, but why would they leave money on the table.

    #798 4 months ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    local game vs side wide vs muilt state

    Every video game tournament that takes place on the internet.

    #799 4 months ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    No. You don’t HAVE TO buy additional content. If you WANT TO buy additional content, you may.
    You don’t have to buy a color DMD with colorized game content. If you find value in that additional content you may buy it.

    Thats what they say about micro transactions or DLC but who wants to own a game that is not complete?

    #800 4 months ago

    now what about repair? Now you can't swap your main cpu board any more unless you have stern do an apple like repairing of the SN?

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