Crack is a very bad thing. Please explain to me what sucks about Williams IJ?

Is it the most playable modes of any machine ever made? Is it the three video modes, which are all fairly good, as far as vid modes go? Is it the possibly best mini PF, which is used in multiple ways for different aspects of play and modes? Is it the loop person combos that can be built, which is another addition to the depth of this machine? Maybe it’s the great artwork, widebody design used perfectly, or the well used and themed toys? Possibly you don’t like the narrow escape that adds another bit of uniqueness to this machine. Maybe it’s the amazing sound package, and DMD animations, likely some of the best for WPC machines.

The machine is a super fast with ramps and orbit returns and plays amazingly. I have never understood how some people don’t love this game.

Despite this, I’m SUPER interested to hear its flaws, please hammer away...

Machines with two flippers for the most part have fan layouts, as shots are for the most part only accessible via the flippers. Name me another mini PF that is as interactive and used in so many modes and other ways than this one? How is it shitty? It turns, it has two drop holes depending on what you are doing. Pretty well thought out for a mini if you ask me.

As for the saucer issue, well, rebuild it and tune it. Mine is about 95% good. Since your comparisons are for CV, the CV juggler saucer for the first ball lock is more or less useless unless you have the pinbits modded piece that keeps it where it should be. That is a factory issue as well, the IJ saucer is from years of poundings with the strongest flippers.

As far as wasted space and limited shots, I complete disagree, and you note CV as a better choice? I have CV as well, but there are about 4 shots in that game, and a vast amount of wasted space in the juggler area and that stupid contained ball area. And this isn't a fan layout??

I'm not bashing CV, I love it too, but CV is no IJ in my opinion.

They are all well implemented into the them, they are all challenging (provided you set them on difficult), and knowing all the vid modes out there, which for the most part I do not like in pinball, and hate most myself, these have to be considered some of the best. I'm not claiming I like vid modes, but these are fun to play FOR a vid mode.

I will admit it takes some tuning to level it out perfectly, but after that, it runs perfectly. I only had an opto out once, but after that, it works perfectly. All the other mini's you mentioned are great, but I still think the POA is the best one made.

As for the juggler lock, obviously it was enough of a problem for pinbits to make the piece the keeps the ball from falling out after the magnet releases. Maybe you don't have your machine on enough of an angle for it to be a problem, but it is.

Anyway, whatever, you don't like it, I just don't agree with you. I love that machine. Just nailed another billion shot on it tonight.