Stern making Harry Potter?

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Stern making Harry Potter?


By PanzerFreak

31 days ago



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    #1 31 days ago

    There's been a few Harry Potter threads over the years speculating about whether or not a Harry Potter pinball machine will ever come out. The Facebook post below, from This Week in Pinball (thank you for sharing!), shows Jody, Keith and George from Stern visiting the Harry Potter theme park in CA. Now sure it could be a vacation...but why would 3 unrelated dudes that work at Stern Pinball be traveling across the country to visit a Harry Potter theme park? lol

    Harry Potter may be happening, maybe not, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

    From the TWIP post.

    https://thisweekinpinball.com/twip-tuesday-3/

    "Jody Dankberg, Keith Elwin, and George Gomez visited Hogwarts. So does that mean that a Harry Potter machine is coming soon? Well, since they went to Hogwarts and shared it on social media, we’ll share what we know about a Harry Potter Pinball machine. Absolutely nothing. Lets make this happen pinball industry!!"

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    #2 30 days ago

    I think they'd sell a zillion of these. I'm not a big fan fan of Harry Potter but my wife and son are so it would be a must purchase for sure.

    #3 30 days ago

    Oh yeah, would be a huge seller. It makes me wonder if Beatles really is the next Stern title and it's Harry Potter instead that Ka-Pow was referencing in a recent interview. I could see the Beatles rumors of the game being a home only game (not setup for coin up) also applying to Harry Potter. It's possible that is how Stern got JK Rowling to agree to allow them to make it as that would ensure it wouldn't be used in bars. I can also see the Harry Potter theme, with license rights, costing $1 million or more as the Ka-Pow article mentioned.

    #4 30 days ago

    Harry Potter is probably the best license for pinball. It has everything. So much you could do with this pin. When I saw the photos I thought please let this be a sign. I'm All in on a LE or Super LE. Just make the damn thing already. However if you do not get the movie rights voices or music I will NEVER forgive you STERN!

    #5 30 days ago

    I am on the fence with Harry Potter, it is classic but also a little dated. I have always thought it would be cool to do the 'Lego' version of a franchise. The 'Lego' movies have been pretty entertaining recently. I would be interested in a Harry Potter if Stern loaded it up. I would like to see the use of subway ramps, cool toys and cool features. This theme would not be ideal for Stern to do a re-theme and tweak an already produced design. Something fresh and new and something that knocks my socks off.

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    #6 30 days ago

    I hope not

    #7 30 days ago

    I get it and if done right they’ll sell a lot, but it’s not for me.

    #8 30 days ago

    I hope so, even if I do not care for the theme I want Stern to be successful and thrive. This theme would sell a shit ton, I say go for it Stern-it will do well. It is a universally attractive theme, not many of those are left.

    #9 30 days ago

    It makes more sense that they would purseue Fantastic Beasts as a theme. Same universe, new movie coming out. More current.

    #10 30 days ago

    Ugh. They'll just make another Guardians - a fan layout with zero movie integration.

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    #11 30 days ago

    I think it would be a tragedy if stern got the license...... please don’t be true

    #12 30 days ago

    Not a huge HP fan, but it beats the crap out of a Beatles pin and least moves it into the "maybe" realm for me ever buying one.

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    #13 30 days ago

    Really really wanted this to be a jjp . It has the potential to be the best world under glass of all time

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    #14 30 days ago

    At this point, I think anyone who is an actual fan of the franchise would genuinely hope that ANY PINBALL MANUFACTURER would be able to secure the license, as that would guarantee that this "holy grail" of licenses actually came to fruition, that has seemed to be impossible to secure in the past.

    But, similar to Star Wars, and similar to what we're hearing about The Beatles (shhhhhhh!, don't want to start another "speculation" thread!!!) many know that this theme has both the source material and also a giant fan base to be a great pin. But with licensing and whatnot, I personally don't want this to be another SW Pro. Yes I just played a SW Pro for an hour tonight and still have a lot of fun with it, but there's been what now, 4-5 Star Wars pins now, and none of them can claim to be the outright best?

    Harry Potter, if it ever becomes a pin, won't have that luxury to go through 4-5 iterations across 3-4 manufacturers. If there's any shot, the first shot needs to be the best (and probably only) shot... and for that, I personally hope Harry Potter doesn't go to Stern, and goes exclusively to JJP, even if that means I won't be able to own one NIB.

    I'd rather this title get the pin it deserves, and maybe play it at a friend's house or on location, than be a stripped down title where the Pro has a wand on a spring that has a tip that lights up, and a "he-who-shall-not-be-named" as a stationary figure with a kickback coil underneath.

    Sorry Stern, you've made a lot of pins I love to play, especially lately, but that's because they're real good shooters (*cough IMDN, SW, & AS cough*) but theme integration isn't your forte, and for the theme of all themes that deserves immersion, I hope JJP gets this one... but if you've somehow secured this one, can you please make the Premium not suck, and at least somewhat worth the cost???

    #15 30 days ago

    Damn Yoko2una, you said that perfectly

    #16 30 days ago

    I'd absolutely love to see this, but my best guess is that the Stern guys were out in California for some other business, decided to stop by Universal to check out Harry Potter for fun, and then decided to mess with us by posting the above. Hope I'm wrong, but it's not like Stern to drop hints like this for real.

    EDIT: Although I haven't been the biggest JJP fan to date I'd also prefer they got the license to Stern - but I'd rather see a Stern machine than nothing at all.

    #17 30 days ago

    No. That photo proves they are not.

    What it does prove is a bunch of quirky guys in LA to negotiate terms for another movie license. And who could not resist the gimmick. Brilliant.

    #18 30 days ago
    Quoted from soren:

    No. That photo proves they are not.
    What it does prove is a bunch of quirky guys in LA to negotiate terms for another movie license. And who could not resist the gimmick. Brilliant.

    Remember Gary used to love posting photos of himself with My Little Pony.

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    #19 30 days ago

    Cue the usual "I'd rather see JJP get this" in 3....2.....1

    #20 30 days ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    Remember Gary used to love posting photos of himself with My Little Pony.

    Exactly. Stern wouldn't tease an actual game this way.

    #21 30 days ago

    Considering JJP hit two home runs already with Warner (Hobbit) (WOZ) what would make anyone think they wouldn't have already discussed this with JJP. I'm sure without any doubt that they would want a fully themed game not some assembly line approach for Stern. The owner of the entire HP franchise is a billionaire I'm sure she could care less about making a few bucks off a pinball game. Now is she's seen how the game was approached from Hobbit by JJ she might want to do it simply based on the wow factor.

    If you see a HP game I'm sure it will be JJ. I doubt ANYONE would want a HP gamee made by Stern. HP would be another high end collector style game. Look at Star Wars that game is a disaster, who wouldn't have wanted JJ to do that game?

    I think everyone. Based on Warners success with JJ I'm sure HP was already discussed. Clearly they want to continue they got Willy Wonka.

    #22 30 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    Cue the usual "I'd rather see JJP get this" in 3....2.....1

    Add in grails and worlds under glass and you've got it.

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    #23 30 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    Cue the usual "I'd rather see JJP get this" in 3....2.....1

    Yuck....hope nobody does this.

    Yuck as in I hope nobody makes this title as I think the Harry Potter franchise sucks.
    Not to be confused with me thinking jjp sucks because it is my opinion that they dont.

    Edited for clarity on my statement.

    #24 30 days ago
    Quoted from drfrightner:

    Considering JJP hit two home runs already with Warner (Hobbit) (WOZ) what would make anyone think they wouldn't have already discussed this with JJP. I'm sure without any doubt that they would want a fully themed game not some assembly line approach for Stern. The owner of the entire HP franchise is a billionaire I'm sure she could care less about making a few bucks off a pinball game. Now is she's seen how the game was approached from Hobbit by JJ she might want to do it simply based on the wow factor.
    If you see a HP game I'm sure it will be JJ. I doubt ANYONE would want a HP gamee made by Stern. HP would be another high end collector style game. Look at Star Wars that game is a disaster, who wouldn't have wanted JJ to do that game?
    I think everyone. Based on Warners success with JJ I'm sure HP was already discussed. Clearly they want to continue they got Willy Wonka.

    TH has been far from a homerun. The licensor could care less what the game is. They just want the most money. Stern would easily sell more HP games just based on their ability to actually make them alone. You are just making up stuff.

    #25 30 days ago

    You could do without the first sentence, why the animosity?

    #26 30 days ago
    Quoted from drfrightner:

    Considering JJP hit two home runs already with Warner (Hobbit) (WOZ)

    Home runs? Like that is your opinion man. WOZ is the rainbow show with no flow, and Hobbit has great art and looks cool, but is a dud when it comes to game play. Sorry JJP fans but I feel Stern would make a good pin and I would love to see Stern make it. It may not look like a museum piece but it will play well, which is all I care about. I would take Stern over JJP any day of the week.

    #27 30 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    Stupidest post of the day. TH has been far from a homerun. The licensor could care less what the game is. They just want the most money. Stern would easily sell more HP games just based on their ability to actually make them alone. You are just making up stuff.

    Have to disagree. The way The Hobbit was made and coded is the reason why I would want JJP to do a Harry Potter pin that covers all 8 movies. The code for The Hobbit since the last two updates has changed immensely. The amount of work that went into the games code, animations, rules, music, and sounds is astounding. I wouldn't be surprised if more time and effort went into The Hobbits code then any other pin. JJP made excellent use of licensed assets across all 3 films including licensed audio, video and music. I think JJP is the only company that would put the time and effort into creating a deep and objective based ruleset that covers all 8 Harry Potter films.

    If Stern does have Harry Potter I'm still pumped as they have made some deep objective based games over the years using licensed assets. I think Stern did a good with Star Wars as they used the license fairly well and obtained licensed assets for the entire original trilogy. Here's hoping someone is making Harry Potter.

    #28 30 days ago

    Please not Harry Potter and the return of the specky bastards!

    The films were terrible.

    I suspect the license not cheap so either a price hike or a Star Wars like playfield with dumbledore on a spring.

    #29 30 days ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Have to disagree. The way The Hobbit was made and coded is the reason why I would want JJP to do a Harry Potter pin that covers all 8 movies. The code for The Hobbit since the last two updates has changed immensely. The amount of work that went into the games code, animations, rules, music, and sounds may is astounding. JJP also made excellent use of licensed assets across all 3 films including licnesed audio, video and music. I think JJP is the only company that would put the time and effort into creating a deep and objective based ruleset that covers all 8 Harry Potter films.
    If Stern does have Harry Potter I'm still pumped as they have made some deep objective based games over the years using licensed assets. Here's hoping someone is making the game.

    When was the game released? When was that last code update that made the game so good?

    TH isn't terrible by any means, it's layout is poor though and that's just really hard to over come. Still fun to play every once in a while though.

    No one is tackling all 8 films in a game and doing it well. That's just too much content to have any sort of focus for a game. It would be an all over the place mess in my opinion. You couldn't even have toys that fit as some would be from when they were kids and next they are almost adults fighting a war. And how many years would we have to have to have all of that coded if JJP did try that? And what are you disagreeing with? That TH isn't a homerun?

    #30 30 days ago
    Quoted from NeilMcRae:

    I suspect the license not cheap so either a price hike or a Star Wars like playfield with dumbledore on a spring.

    That is a concern, if they are going to spend the rumored million dollars on rights, the BOM may suffer. They simply need to raise the bar without jacking up the price. This one will be based off volume sales for Pros/Premiums for ROI, not selling x amount of limited super LE's. The profits will be based on number of units produced during the franchise agreement period. They will sell a shit ton if they keep the pricing relative and don't cut corners on BOM. A good game sells itself.

    #31 30 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    When was the game released? When was that last code update that made the game so good?
    TH isn't terrible by any means, it's layout is poor though and that's just really hard to over come. Still fun to play every once in a while though.
    No one is tackling all 8 films in a game and doing it well. That's just too much content to have any sort of focus for a game. It would be an all over the place mess in my opinion. You couldn't even have toys that fit as some would be from when they were kids and next they are almost adults fighting a war. And how many years would we have to have to have all of that coded if JJP did try that?

    There was a massive code update, 2.96, a couple months back. 2.97 is in beta adding more polish and 3.0 is coming soon. Really impressed as an owner with how far the game has come since release.

    I think JJP or Stern could come up with a unique ruleset that covers all 8 Harry Potter films well. You could have X number of modes per school year (7), and a mini wizard mode for each. Maybe 3 modes per year (movie) and a mini wizard mode with each having licensed assets. That would be similar to what Stern did with Star Wars and the 3 mode / mini wizard mode per location idea. Have an option at the beginning of the game where you select your house and that affects scoring and grants other abilities.

    #32 30 days ago
    Quoted from pinmister:

    That is a concern, if they are going to spend the rumored million dollars on rights, the BOM may suffer. They simply need to raise the bar without jacking up the price. This one will be based off volume sales for Pros/Premiums for ROI, not selling x amount of limited super LE's. The profits will be based on number of units produced during the franchise agreement period. They will sell a shit ton if they keep the pricing relative and don't cut corners on BOM.

    For sure, but anyone that makes the game is going to try to charge as much as they possibly can for it not matter what the license costs or what the BOM is. All of these companies are going to keep trying the Super LE stuff as much as possible as they have seen with BM66 people will pay and you can make a killing.

    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    There was a massive code update, 2.96, a couple months back. 2.97 is in beta adding more polish and 3.0 is coming soon. Really impressed as an owner with how far the game has come since release. I think JJP could come up with a unique ruleset that covers all 8 Harry Potter films well. You can have X amount of modes per school year (7), and a mini wizard mode for each. Maybe 3 modes per year and a mini wizard mode with each having licensed assets. That would be similar to what Stern did with Star Wars and the 3 mode / mini wizard mode per location idea.

    And is it 3 or 4 years since TH reveal?

    I'll pass on another 30+ mode JJP game. I know some people love games like that and I'm glad they have those options but I do not like that style of pinball. To each their own I guess.

    #33 30 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    Cue the usual "I'd rather see JJP get this" in 3....2.....1

    Quoted from tp:

    Yuck....hope nobody does this.

    Couple hours late. Read the thread before you react next time.

    #34 30 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    No one is tackling all 8 films in a game and doing it well. That's just too much content to have any sort of focus for a game.

    You don’t have to completely cover every moment of each film. You just have to hit every major note to make it feel complete.

    #35 30 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    For sure, but anyone that makes the game is going to try to charge as much as they possibly can for it not matter what the license costs or what the BOM is.

    That's the catch 22

    I have thought about this, I think if pinball companies price their pins more competitively they will in turn sell more units. Profits come by negotiating better pricing from vendors by purchasing higher quantities of parts, etc. Base profit projections on volume sales, not limited numbered runs. Let's take Houdini as an example. I feel if American priced Houdini's at $4995 they may have sold considerably more-heck I would have bought one at that price. How many units would they have had to sell at $4995 vs $6995 to have the same ROI? Harry Potter will sell well if priced competitively and if it is a good playing game. Imagine if Stern reduced pricing for Pro's back down to $4995 in order to capture more volume sales-that would be awesome.

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    #36 30 days ago

    JJP could do it justice.

    #37 30 days ago

    It's just a distraction so they "surprise" the market when they release their next Rock n Roll themed pin.

    #38 30 days ago

    If this does come to fruition, I think they missed out on the Harry Potter hype by like 5 or more years if they wanted to appeal to the casual crowd, but with the Cursed Child being in theaters, there has been a resurgence in popularity.

    Still, Harry Potter is basically a religion for some people, so regardless, it would likely be successful.

    #39 30 days ago

    Let's hope whoever's get this license does it right. I sure as hell hope it has alot more theme/asset integration then JJPOTC and more Toys then a Star Wars Pro.

    For the money we spend on these things you would think we could get a whole lot more.

    Forgot to mention a coin door would be nice

    #40 30 days ago
    Quoted from pinmister:

    How many units would they have had to sell at $4995 vs $6995 to have the same ROI?

    If the game costs $4795 to make, and they sold 1,000 at $6995...
    -- that would be $2,200 profit per machine
    -- vs $200 profit per machine @ $4,995
    ---- Total profit @ $2200 = 2200 * 1000 = 2,200,000 ROI
    ---- 2,200,000 / 200 = 11,000

    They would need to sell 11,000 games vs 1,000
    -- caveat: there may be additional costs involved in the sale, storage and shipment of the additional 10,000 units

    #41 30 days ago

    Very important note:
    The Harry Potter park at Universal Hollywood is a dump compared to Harry Potter Orlando. If there making it, they went to the wrong park.
    Wide body JJP would be a better choice. But I also see JJP with to much on there plate right now. Was hoping this was Pat's next title.

    #42 30 days ago
    Quoted from mbaumle:

    If this does come to fruition, I think they missed out on the Harry Potter hype by like 5 or more years if they wanted to appeal to the casual crowd, but with the Cursed Child being in theaters, there has been a resurgence in popularity.
    Still, Harry Potter is basically a religion for some people, so regardless, it would likely be successful.

    Yes and no. The original child readers of the HP books are now in their 30's (books started in 1997). This would be a good time to sell pins to them.

    #43 30 days ago

    Well if it cost $3000 to produce that would be a $2000 profit for each machine instead of $4000. Also consider having to leave some profit for the distributor-$500-$1000?

    2000 x $2000=$4,000,000
    1000 x $4000=$4,000,000

    Looks closer to 2 to 1 to me not 11 to 1-again a volume based approach instead of limited numbers.

    #44 30 days ago
    Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

    Very important note:
    The Harry Potter park at Universal Hollywood is a dump compared to Harry Potter Orlando. If there making it, they went to the wrong park.

    Funny you say that-I was thinking the same exact thing. I dropped $800 for 21/2 hours last year at Universal California-what a waste of money. I did do the studio tour that was ok but other than Harry Potter, the park is lacking. Universal Florida is way better and I did not feel like I was getting ripped off. Night and day difference between the two.

    #45 30 days ago
    Quoted from Rondogg:

    The original child readers of the HP books are now in their 30's (books started in 1997). This would be a good time to sell pins to them.

    I see what you’re saying. Personally, I’m an original child reader of the series who’s nearly 30 years old along with many/most of my peers. That being said, I don’t think too many of us are ready to actually purchase a NIB game. Demographically, we’re all too busy being swamped in student debt or saving up to buy a home, or busy having kids.

    If the game were released 5 years ago or more, however, we all would’ve played the shit out of it on location. I think today, it wouldn’t have the location impact it would've had a little while ago.

    But like I said, being that HP is essentially a religion (my Alma Mater literally has a quidditch team that competes against other Ivy League universities in the area), I do think it will still have widespread appeal, even if it is a few years too late.

    #46 30 days ago
    Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

    Very important note:
    The Harry Potter park at Universal Hollywood is a dump compared to Harry Potter Orlando. If there making it, they went to the wrong park.
    Wide body JJP would be a better choice. But I also see JJP with to much on there plate right now. Was hoping this was Pat's next title.

    A Pat Lawlor Harry Potter pin sounds amazing With Keith Elwin visiting the park it makes me wonder if he's designing Harry Potter? I suppose a Fantastical Beasts pin is also possible but I don't see that theme having as much of a draw as Harry Potter, not even remotely close. If they went to the park to get ideas it's odd they choose the one in Califorina versus the superior Orlando park. Stern could have been out in CA for something entirely different I suppose and just stopped at the park while out there.

    #47 30 days ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    Exactly. Stern wouldn't tease an actual game this way.

    Gary did exactly this with Ghostbusters.

    #48 30 days ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Have to disagree. The way The Hobbit was made and coded is the reason why I would want JJP to do a Harry Potter pin that covers all 8 movies. The code for The Hobbit since the last two updates has changed immensely.

    The code for the Hobbit isn't the problem.

    It's boring to play and shoot.

    #49 30 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    The code for the Hobbit isn't the problem.
    It's boring to play and shoot.

    Your opinion, many others including myself love the way it plays! Fun layout and many toys and features. Code has a big impact, probably the biggest impact, on how fun a game can become. It doesn't matter how cool a layout appears if the code support isn't there or the rules are like chopping wood. We've seen that many times over the years.

    #50 30 days ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Your opinion, many others including myself love the way it plays! Fun layout and many toys and features. Code has a big impact, probably the biggest impact, on how fun a game can become. It doesn't matter how cool a layout is if the code support isn't there or the rules are like chopping wood.

    It doesn't matter how great the code and animations are, if the game is boring to shoot.

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