(Topic ID: 183084)

Stern Flight 2000 wont turn on

By Drickey86

7 years ago


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#1 7 years ago

My 1980 Stern Flight 2000 will not turn on after turning the game off at the switch and power strip. A little back story on the game i got it crazy cheap even though its in great shape because it hadnt been played in a long time and was blowing the 1amp slow blow under the playfield. This is my first solid state game have 3 others but they are em. After getting it home and a good cleaning/re ring and new balls i started to dive into it to see/correct why it was blowing the fuse. On visual inspection the power rectifier board and solenoid driver board looked like they had seen better days, could tell it had been hot and was starting to burn. So i instantly decided to eliminate alot of headache (so i thought ) i would just change all the boards. After a few days the parts arived and I put in a brand new alltek ultimate mpu, a rebuilt solenoid driver board and a brand new rotten dog power rectifier board and boom played like a brand new machine no more blown fuses. Out of the garage and into the house it went. Myself my kids and friends played tons of games and everything worked flawlessly until friday. I turned the game off at the switch and on my power strip and went to bed. Saturday morning wake up and go to power the game up for the kids to play and i get nothing but the general ilumination. Open the head and try again so i can watch the led on the mpu once agian nothing but gi NO led on mpu at all not solid not flashing nothing. I get my meter out and check all my test points on each board and find everything within spec aside from no +5vdc at the mpu board or at tp1 on the solenoid driver board. i have +43vdc line in at the mpu and at the tp I also have +12vdc at the wire going into the solenoid driver board but no +5vdc at tp1 on the solinoid driver board so was thinking i had a bad voltage regulator or cap so i swapped in a known good board but it still will not boot no led on mpu no +5vdc at tp1 on the known good solenoid board or at the mpu. Which makes no sense to me any thoughts/ help are greatly appreciated

#2 7 years ago
Quoted from Drickey86:

On visual inspection the power rectifier board and solenoid driver board looked like they had seen better days, could tell it had been hot and was starting to burn.

what do the header pins, & connectors look like ? I had to replace a bunch of mine.

got pics ?

#3 7 years ago

From Clay's old pinrepair guide:

The Bally/Stern (and Alltek) MPU boards need only 12 volts and 5 volts to start booting (43 volts is needed later, but for now let's keep it simple). Before doing anything, check the power train.
Go to the rectifier board and check for voltage there. Check rectifier board TP3 for 12 volts. If missing, check the fuse F3.
If still no 12 volts DC at TP3, check E11/E12 test points on the rectifier board. These are the two AC inputs and should read about 12 volts AC with your DMM connectors to both E11 and E12. If no voltage check the wiring to the transformer or the transformer itself. If the 12 volts AC is present at E11 and E12, then the bridge rectifier BR2 is open. If fuse F3 blows immediately at power-on, then the
bridge rectifier BR2 is shorted.
If there is 12 volts DC at TP3 on the rectifier board but no 12 volts on the MPU board at TP2, likely it is just one wire causing the problem. Check J3 pin 8 (orange wire) of the rectifier board, as it may be burnt. It is a good idea to replace this connector pin as it handles the 12 volts distribution and is often burnt. Next the orange wire goes to the solenoid driver board connector J3 pin 12. It
makes a U-turn and heads back out J3 pin 11 and goes to the MPU board (this is why there is often a jumper between the solenoid driver board TP1 and TP3, to make sure this U-turn does not get cut). At the Solenoid Driver, the 12 volts DC heads also heads to the 5 volt regulator going through the big capacitor C23 (this smooths out the raw 12 volts DC, and usually needs to be replaced for reliability).

#4 7 years ago

The header pins and connectors all look good as for connectors i know looks can be deceiving so i may go ahead and replace all the connectors. as i stated the rectifier board and mpu are both brand new and the solenoid driver board has been re built (not by me) with new headder pins

#5 7 years ago

Problem solved i found 4 bad wires coming from pin J3 on the rectifier board. I decided on a complete new wiring harness instead of just replacing wires/connectors on 37 year old wires.

#6 7 years ago

Good catch! As a rule, I replace all female and male connectors to the rectifier board on all classic Stern's i work on. Glad it was an easy fix!

1 month later
#7 6 years ago

I also have a Flight 2000. Worked as designed one day then the next it will not boot up. Turn on and MPU LED flashes 2x then stays off and goes no further (should flash 7x I think). I have checked the Test Points on rectifier board, all seem to be correct or slightly higher. It was repaired a few times before I got it and the issues of wires and connectors burning had been "repaired". Looks kind of Cobbled to me as I am somewhat Obsessive Compulsive... But it all worked, now it doesn't. I have also checked Test Points on the MPU200 and LDA and SB100. they all seen to be correct. The LDA has also had work done on it. Not finding anything that jumps out at me ie Black smoke trails or all out fire signals.
I'm a newbie here and very mechanically inclined, however electronics is not my strongest trait. I can and have replace components before, ran electrical circuits in my house and garage...

Any thoughts of direction would be GREATLY appreciated both by me and my grand kids!
Thanks.

#8 6 years ago

Hi

That seems to indicate a problem with the 5101 RAM chip (battery backed up RAM). U8 maybe? Is it seated correctly? Is there corrosion of old batteries?

Do a google search on either 'bally mpu flashes' or 'stern mpu 200' (pretty much the same board) to get started.

#9 6 years ago

http://techniek.flipperwinkel.nl/ballyss/rep/index2.htm#flash

U8 & U13 can be replaced and battery removed

this is the one I got: ebay.com link: 1pc Stern Pinball MPU 200 NVRAM Adapter

is battery corroded ? ( I hope not )

#10 6 years ago

WOW!!! You guys are freakin AWESOME! The battery was removed/ moved prior to my purchase. and the EBay link will allow me to fix that. The techniek link is incredible! I will be getting on that tomorrow as time permits.
I will let you know what I find. Thanks again for such quick responses and the info provided!

#11 6 years ago

Well now... Thank you again for the direction. However...
I did purchase that NVRam on Ebay. Its coming. Then I pulled U8 and this iscwhat I found... Not a very happy camper...
That bottom socket does not look happy!

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#12 6 years ago

Looks like a new board will be in my future.
Unless someone can steer me to a replacement socket!

#13 6 years ago

I made an attempt to repair/ work around the issue...the chip must have crapped out b4 I got this far into it!

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#14 6 years ago

Nice work-around! Here's the replacement socket if you'd like to order one:

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/DIP22

Edit: Looks like the board has taken some alkaline damage from a leaking battery. Hopefully getting a good RAM installed will fix it. In the meantime, I'd look into neutralizing the battery leakage. There's a good thread here where someone details the use of an acidic toilet bowl cleaner that will neutralize the battery leakage here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stripping-battery-corrosion-with-a-strong-acid

Good luck!

#15 6 years ago

Chas10e...
Does that nvram part require the old sockets to be removed and re solder in this part?

#16 6 years ago

the NVRAM is designed as an exact fit, mine plugged right in

yeah it looks like you should replace the U8 socket ... in the pic I noticed a couple of legs out on the U13 chip ( which will be replaced anyways ) .... they cheap enough to have both in case other one is bad also. The remote battery (or capacitor) can be removed as well

the pic shows the lower left screw missing, holding board in place , that also serves as a needed ground, upper right screw hole not shown in photo

you'll have to setup all the "bookkeeping" as outlined in the manual after chip installed http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/887/Stern_1980_Flight_2000_Manual.pdf

#17 6 years ago

After further checking AND after doing that ZEP acid cleanup... and putting all of the IC chip legs IN their correct sockets then re soldering the bypass jumper... Waa Laa everything is up and runningh!!!!! Happy Happy Joy Joy!
I can't begin to tell you guys how greatful I am for ALL of your direction, tips and help! Didn't even bother to put it all back together before playing a half dozen games... I bought THIS specific game 5 years ago as it was a reminder of my time serving in South Korea. Spent many a long hours playing this exact game there while bidding my time.
Thanks again!!!

#18 6 years ago

Yes, I did install both of the ground screws when I found it all worked as designed...

#19 6 years ago

Congrats, man!! Good job!!

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