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Stern faulty 6 segment display

By tmuir

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

Today one of my displays developed an issue.
One segment of one number has stopped working.
The right most digit (Units) segment 'c' (lower right side segment) has stopped working.
From my limited knowledge of these displays this is not a common fault.
Being all the other displays are working its not going to be the BCD chip being the other digits are displaying correctly, nor will it be the 100K resistor as the other 6 segments of the number are displaying, nor can it be the segment driver transistors as that segment works on the other numbers.
But saying this I have tested all the transistors and they tested fine as do the 100K resistors.

Would I be correct thinking this is an issue within the glass display itself, so not repairable, or am I missing something?

This is the pinball gods new cruel trick on me as I just finished repinning the connectors on my lamp board and got all my playfield lights working yesterday.

#2 1 year ago

Did you reflow solder on all pins yet? That would be step #1 before considering a faulty component.

#3 1 year ago

Sorry forgot to say that all the pins on the connector were reflowed recently before I got it and some of the pins on the display look also to be done, but probably worth me going over them all again.

#4 1 year ago

From pinwiki:

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#5 1 year ago
Quoted from tmuir:

Would I be correct thinking this is an issue within the glass display itself, so not repairable, or am I missing something?

Yes it's a common issue that happens with the Beckman glass panels used on the Stern displays. Your can try to raise the high voltage (within reason) which might wake up that particular segment.

#6 1 year ago

While there are several good explanations for a segment being out on ALL digits, If it's an issue with a single segment on just ONE of the digits most likely it's a glass panel issue.

#7 1 year ago

Yes that is what I was thinking, I also did swap displays and the issue followed the display so I can rule out some odd connection issue. I've moved it to player four as its unlikely I will be doing many 4 player games and will keep an eye out for a secondhand display as I would prefer to stay with the original VFDs rather than a LED display. I also did try to wiggle the glass display gently but that also made no difference.

#8 1 year ago
Quoted from Quench:

Yes it's a common issue that happens with the Beckman glass panels used on the Stern displays. Your can try to raise the high voltage (within reason) which might wake up that particular segment.

I have the ultimate solenoid board which as far as I know I can't adjust the HV on, but do have the original board which I could try to put back in and turn up the HV on if you think it's worth it.

#9 1 year ago

I had a display with a segment issue that actually killing the master display parts board over and over. After the 2nd time a segment resistor burned open and the logic level to high voltage level chip fried I realized the problem was in the glass itself. New glass, no problem since. Never seen that happen in a bally game, but its been posted about a few times here in WMS games. I couldn't really see any issue with the glass itself, but it must have been to much current to drive that segment.

#10 1 year ago

Is there anywhere you can buy NOS VFD glass displays from?

#11 1 year ago
Quoted from barakandl:

I couldn't really see any issue with the glass itself, but it must have been to much current to drive that segment.

I have had a couple of display glass with resistive crud shorts between the pins just after the pins are glued but before the pins enter inside the glass. The crud is hard to get to but can be removed with a small shaped wire/needle to bring them back to working order. Your multi-meter can show the shorts, typically the resistance between good adjacent display pins is around 600k ohms. Pity I don't have a picture handy showing the crud shorts.

Quoted from tmuir:

Is there anywhere you can buy NOS VFD glass displays from?

Sometimes the NOS glass are more expensive than a working good used complete display.

#12 1 year ago

Just had another segment fail on the same digit, I'm guessing its on its way out, but I will remove it tonight and measure the resistance between the pins on the glass and give it another check over and reflow the pins for good measure, but I'm not expecting to have much luck.
I think your correct Quench that I'm probably better off looking for a good second hand display rather than a NOS glass.
My youngest son has Autism and has a thing for Nixie tubes and VFDs, he would never forgive me if I replaced a VFD with a LED display in my machine.

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from tmuir:

Yes that is what I was thinking, I also did swap displays and the issue followed the display so I can rule out some odd connection issue. I've moved it to player four as its unlikely I will be doing many 4 player games and will keep an eye out for a secondhand display as I would prefer to stay with the original VFDs rather than a LED display. I also did try to wiggle the glass display gently but that also made no difference.

Depending on what digit it is (or how bad it annoys you), you should be able to use that display as the credit/ball display, and if that one is good, swap it into a score display spot.

#14 1 year ago

I had already thought of that, its a digit used to display the ball count, so no go with that idea unfortunately as it would of been an easy 'fix'.

#15 1 year ago
Quoted from Quench:

I have had a couple of display glass with resistive crud shorts between the pins just after the pins are glued but before the pins enter inside the glass. The crud is hard to get to but can be removed with a small shaped wire/needle to bring them back to working order. Your multi-meter can show the shorts, typically the resistance between good adjacent display pins is around 600k ohms. Pity I don't have a picture handy showing the crud shorts.

Sometimes the NOS glass are more expensive than a working good used complete display.

as it fits that topic and might help someone:

I had a display where the ´dot´segment and the lower horizontal (d) segment would always light together although they should not
The pins for those segments are #10 and #14 - checked for some shorts between those pins outside of the glass but there were none.
Resistance measured was around 70kOhms which was still enough to make them light together-so there was an internal ´short´inside the glass

As there was not much to loose I tried to burn away the internal short-applied 30VDC between the 2 pins. There was a small current in the range of some mA running for a couple of seconds and then stopped.
checked the resistance between the pins-went up to the MOhms range
Resoldered the pins-tested any everything is fine now - no more internal short and every segment working as intended

...sometimes one gets lucky and things work out as intended...

#16 1 year ago
Quoted from harig:

As there was not much to loose I tried to burn away the internal short-applied 30VDC between the 2 pins.
...sometimes one gets lucky and things work out as intended...

Well done, I was originally thinking of doing similar but with hundreds of volts.

#17 1 year ago
Quoted from Quench:

Well done, I was originally thinking of doing similar but with hundreds of volts.

I had exact the same thought but the 50kV HV generator I had at hand seemed a bit too much
I already wired the 4x 30VDC lab supply in series to get 120Vdc but in the end 30VDC did the trick

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