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Stern Delays.....

By foureyedcharlie

7 years ago


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#801 7 years ago
Quoted from Chippewa-Pin:

Jack must have read Lloyd's post about suggesting Stern make WOZ.

Too bad he didn't go back and read his own post in that thread about NIB pricing when starting up JJP. I paid under $3500 each for NIB FGY, SM, and BDK during 07-08, and now they're selling NIB JJP machines for $8k+.

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"Pinball needs to make money for operators so it can regain respect -
and a chance at being bought;

Bottom line is still the cashbox or in this case, the bill acceptor.
The game ideally needs to make twice as much as it now makes and cost
half as much as it costs now........There is no one easy fix
especially in this economy.

With the Euro way down, don't look to sell more of anything into
Europe either.

I don't have all of the answers but these are definitely some of them.

Jack"

#802 7 years ago
Quoted from sc204:

Does make you wonder how Steve and Gary are working together again. Must have had some heavy hatchets to bury.

Steve loves designing games and Gary loves selling them, that's all they've both ever done for a living.

#810 7 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

To jacks defense here tho... Operators care about earnings far far far more than unit cost. Unit costs are depreciated and recovered in resale. Earnings only come from the players. The coin drop is virtually the only thing that matters... And pin wasn't earning it's keep verse games that earned more AND has less upkeep.
It's why every pitch to ops is about earnings, not margins.

The problem with that is nothing has changed. My pinball machines in family arcades still average the same as they did in 08. I don't own any JJP machines. I have a friend that has a WOZ that has earned at the top of the list of games he's owned during the past 15 years, but the other games on his list were half the price. Also WOZ was his first $1 play game, he had a lot of issues and down-time at the beginning and he paid around $6k for it. He's not buying a $8500 Hobbit though because of the cost.

I just thought it was funny that Jack posted on there that he wanted $2000 NIB machines to help location pinball, but now he's trying to sell $9000 machines that pretty much earn the same as everything else available.

Here's a pic of this months operators earnings ratings in RePlay and Playmeter, it's good to see WOZ keeping up with the other popular $3k - $5k WMS and Stern games that are on the Playmeter list. WOZ isn't on the RePlay top 5. It's no different than Raw Thrills $12k Jurassic Park consistently earning more than the $30k Namco Star Wars Battle Pod since it came out. The cheaper game is getting it done and that's good for ops and arcade owners in this economy.

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