Cointaker managed to send me the Stranger Things UV kit via FedEx for $39.99. Ordered on a Tuesday morning and was delivered to London three days later on the Friday. Bigger and heavier box too.

Joe doesn't strike me as the type of person who would roll up his sleeves to do that type of work.

The box he is recomending is suitable for up to 20lbs. This must be because of the poster tube. Unfortunately International freight is charged by volume (volumetric) or dead weight - whichever is greatest. If he is trying to send the rolled up poster together with the box, the measurements for the entire package is taken as the longest/highest/widest dimension of the box. So effectively you are paying to ship air as if it weighs something. Guranteed if we took the poster out of the shipment, the International cost would drop dramatically.

I actually just realized that this is going to get even worse, because even IF it manages to get shipped at a more reasonable rate, it'll get hit for another pile of money at customs. Add another what...30-50 bucks on top of the shipping cost (depending on what the carrier takes as a brokerage fee)?

There were 2 posters in the campaign. The one of all the games (folded in the book), and the ZombieYeti print. When I went in, it said that there were 2 separate shipments (one with the book/folded poster/shirt, and one with the print). Nothing rolled in the box from what I saw.

and what is another couple of months after 4 years since this crap started

yeah I know

Since it’s USPS that means Canada Post. For us in Canada that means a 50-50 chance of being nailed on the way in. That would be for a $10 charge plus HST on the declared value. Or the postman might just leave it at your door.

Yeah, but if it's UPS, then it's much more expensive. Either way, it'd be $150 to get everything landed, and it's just not worth it.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about not having any ZombieYeti art anymore. I've got two (soon to be three) pins with his work on them.

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My 2 massive Eve Online books came from NJ and went to MA used "media mail". This guy is such a fraud and I really, really, don't want this book. I just want my money back. How did this guy ship cameras he made? Like???? *Well at least he is responding on the comment section of Kickstarter.

Oh and I have never got a Backerkit e-mail still.

I’m not sure how feasible it is, but maybe some of us in the US can take shipments for those across the world and reship to them for a reasonable cost? I would be willing to help out a couple (as long as I can read the book, put your posters on the wall for awhile and wear your jackets....)

Express mail is the most expensive USPS tier. You picked the wrong method.

Plus you're checking RETAIL rates. If he uses something like Endicia for a month, he can get another 15% or more off those rates.

Not sure why you mention pinballlife, I’ve just purchased 2 new ramps for iron man so the box was big, so I chucked a tonne of stuff in with the order, brackets, targets, ball the box weighed a fair bit. Shipping was $125, which is a lot but considering the size of the box and the fact it took 3 days to arrive here in the U.K. from the U.S. is pretty good.

robin has been quoted $125 to ship a book, T-shirt and a poster in no way can anyone say the shipping from Papercock is a bargain!

Why use USPS when so expensive, it's not as if there are other carriers out there.
How the hell can a book be classed as fragile.. if it's properly packaged you could use it as a bloody brick.

How is the suggestion to ship it to someone in the US going to help. US backers are also complaining about the cost.

The problem is clearly USPS, in the same way the Royal Mail is in the UK.

For the love of all that is holy - Use a commercial carrier (Hermes, FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc, etc ), and pack and prepare it yourself.

Justify the "couple of dollars" you are taking as a handling fee.

I also thinks that this opens the door for a legitimate refund.
I budgeted for a book at $55 with carriage up to $20 - $75 total.
The fact that it is now $55 + $85 - $140 total would have counted me out immediately.
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Media Mail DOES NOT take "several months" to deliver. Even at the busiest time (Christmas) it can take up to 3 weeks, but that's only "up to" and it's often less. All other times of the year, Media Mail takes about 7-10 days.

To anyone that does any amount of shipping he sounds like a con man or a moron. The reality he presents is not what it's like in the real world.

So I had just checked the media mail rate before posting, and he argues thats not the cost even 4 yrs ago. I made it 5lbs with large dimensions, way more than the book would be

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Domestic media mail includes tracking. I've shipped countless CDs via Discogs.com. Here's an actual package I shipped recently if you're curious what Media Mail tracking looks like:

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?tLabels=9449011202271825722891

Expand the Tracking History section and you can see every step along the way. Took a week. Not bad compared to (checks thread) four years.

Ok, so im also over on klov and just ordered a 267 pg hardcover book from england. Book, plus shipping is £25, or about $34. How the hell can Joe charge what he is?

https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/new-book-missile-commander-available-now.480535/

Maybe its media mail vs priority, but considering the book and shipping is less than either alone, that guy is just a jerk.

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Glad I dodged this one. John Trudeau on my coffee table? That's a hard pass.

This is like 20 minutes away from me. If the books are here, could I or someone else local volunteer to pick them up and ship them for closer to actual cost? I never ordered a book but these prices are ridiculous.

Is he really having John Trudeau sign these things? I doubt he is carrying all those books to be signed in prison (or dust jackets even) on visiting hours and I believe it wouldn’t be allowed anyways.

Who knows where Joe has these stashed, but if you were able to do this I (and I'm sure the other Pinsiders as well) would gladly send you a handling fee for your efforts--I'd rather give my money to a member of Pinside than send another dime to Oily Joe.

Not sure about signing it, but he was a contributor that they are still pushing on their website. Which is not a surprise to me. These guys do not seem to know anything about pinball or the community.

Hard pass.

Plus it is a kickstarter project. Not worth the risk.

anybody looking for a better pinball book -
I bought this one years ago and have been very happy with it
Only goes up to 2011 but it's packed with detailed info

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You can't just quote media mail though.

Look at the majority of the people complaining about $80-$100+ shipping costs... they didn't just order the book.

Plus media mail is domestic only...

Caught PaperF*ck in a blatant lie;

PaperFlock Update #53; "And Backerkit requires we get signature confirmation and a tracking number."

BackerKit response to my question about signature confirmation and tracking; "We do not require that a creator fulfills with signature required."

10 to 1, he's just trying to create as much money-flow as possible, and then is going to walk away again. Probably why he's pandering to the overseas backers on the shipping cost. If they pay him something, it's more than nothing, for when he walks away.

my response from Backerkit was vague and almost supported Paperf#ck - didn't look into anything = lazy and probably making more money by doing the work.

Boy this sounds like a "Popadiuk" scam - keep giving money........

Are we sure that he will ship? Will it take another four yrs? “Oh sorry due to covid and syphillis my interns wont be able to ship”......

I checked international with 6 lbs and shipping with USPS or UPS was 1/2 to 1/3 what he's charging. Total shakedown.

What does a fulfillment company charge to store, kit, and ship all the packages including supplies? Not making excuses, but he ain't lifting a finger.

Depends on the company, but for such a small job (444 customers is a SMALL job), it's probably not cheap. He should be knocking this out himself in a few days to get it done. But even with a fulfillment company, he's easily pulling in another 30% profit for himself on this shipping scam. Or, he's a total moron and doesn't know how shipping works. Take your pick.

I'm not saying his numbers are good - I'm saying you can't use the examples (in the reply i quoted) to compare with.

Joe walks in the the fulfillment company in Long Beach with his intern. Sales guys licks his chops. The end.

A page or two back I ran the weight and numbers for international through our shipping terminal and came up with like $35 UPS and $60 USPS international, so about half to a quarter of what he's quoting.

more comes out - one of the guys has a printing company but you design and produce a book you can't print = DUMB

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Ah here we go, we are getting tissue paper Pinball Adventures all over again.
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Ahh yes, I have learned about accountability on Kickstarter from their very thoughtful correspondence---there is none, and none is required. Perfect!

TBH, the first images/videos of the finished product looked a little underwhelming to me - not Pinball Adventures bad, but not $640AUD coffee table book good either.

I wonder if we could propose to Paperflock that if we so choose we can request a refund. However they are not obligated to give out a refund because they technically can deliver the reward to backers. However if Paperflock wants to sell your book on your behalf then give you a refund would that work?

If you reached out to Kickstarter they will ask you to do a survey - this was my feedback and I think Kickstarter needs to make these companies more accountable and ban them from Kickstarter for life as a starter.

"Up to recently I loved kickstarter and supported quite a few projects but after the recent lack of accountability and support - you have lost a backer for other projects. You need to ensure a bit more accountability: eg for a book
- is it a certain size and thickness and weight
- postage
then if a project makes it bigger they are accountable for the difference as they allowed scope creep.
But in Kickstarter collecting their portion and not make the designer accountable in some areas is appalling. This is the 2nd failed pinball kickstarter and again not fully delivered.
These companies and key people should be banned from kickstarter for the rest of the days so it ensures some accountability."

he just has to look at Jack Dangers Facebook as lots of people are ready to through money at it.

I would be happy for my $55USD refund for the book and walk away.

those... are not great examples of quality books...

It's a big win for the Paperf*ck-ups if they refund the paltry $55 we pledged--they can sell them for what Joe says they are now worth, 90 bucks, and take another vacation!

I bought this about seven years ago, and love it. I want to get the previous volume too.

Which pinball themed books do you like better and why?

I've heard that the only pinball book which is "critically acclaimed" is PINBALL, by Santiago Ciuffo.