All the people saying it's "never going to happen they just stole our money", they're quiet now. That's a good thing.
(Topic ID: 171152)
Quoted from Rondogg:All the people saying it's "never going to happen they just stole our money", they're quiet now. That's a good thing.
I guess only 10% of the people wanting the book now are the largest critics on pinside?
Quoted from Rondogg:All the people saying it's "never going to happen they just stole our money", they're quiet now. That's a good thing.
or we're just fed up to the point where we've given up wasting our breath. tell you what ron, give me $325 and you have have my book and rewards
KS
Quoted from paul_8788:Yes, because a several thousand dollar pinball machine is exactly the same as a $50 dollar book...
I get why people are upset, especially those that contributed hundreds. I don't excuse Paperflock and the giant mess they have made out of the project to this point. It's just for me personally a pinball book isn't just something I am going to stress out about.
I agree...was just having some fun. I didn't invest....I made a comment early on about up front money in one of the threads and was blasted by the folks behind this project, so I walked away.
Quoted from Rondogg:All the people saying it's "never going to happen they just stole our money", they're quiet now. That's a good thing.
Quoted from Rondogg:All the people saying it's "never going to happen they just stole our money", they're quiet now. That's a good thing.
I just figured Joe and the intern-of-the-week(end) had way more fun with that $55 than I would have...
Quoted from Manimal:Published by Heighway Publications and will be delivered by
Hydrofoil to your front door.
Unbound. Jpop will then come to your house and help you staple the pages together.
Quoted from vicjw66:Unbound. Jpop will then come to your house and help you staple the pages together.
Or, it will LOOK like that's what he's doing, but there will be no staples in the stapler. Only an impotent "click", "click", "click" with nothing to show for it.
Quoted from PinMonk:Or, it will LOOK like that's what he's doing, but there will be no staples in the stapler. Only an impotent "click", "click", "click" with nothing to show for it.
Hey now, I have almost every confidence that Jpop can work a stapler.
edit: Upon receiving multiple pm's in a very short amount of time from people who had previously worked at Bally/Williams during the 1990's, I must redact my previous statement.
I think it will take at least an additional two years for the stapler design to be finished. It sure will look cool but won’t work worth a darn.
Quoted from Pinballlew:I think it will take at least an additional two years for the stapler design to be finished. It sure will look cool but won’t work worth a darn.
I have seen the stapler...it indeed places staples in the paper, but there is no crimp on the back side.
Quoted from PinMonk:Or, it will LOOK like that's what he's doing, but there will be no staples in the stapler. Only an impotent "click", "click", "click" with nothing to show for it.
stapling is hard ...
Warrington
these guys are only 2 months late
withphysical progress vs. 2 years late w/ a 5 minute format change
plus, they apologized for being late. it took 2 years and my post to get joe to admit to that. on the negative side, it appears that AJ is actually going to be late by a minimum of 9 months (9 min mark on their video)
Quoted from j_m_:these guys are only 2 months late
withphysical progress vs. 2 years late w/ a 5 minute format change
plus, they apologized for being late. it took 2 years and my post to get joe to admit to that. on the negative side, it appears that AJ is actually going to be late by a minimum of 9 months (9 min mark on their video)
Yeah true but you can likely meet him (I have) at a game show and he does panels, streams, etc. Paperflock nobody knows them and the size of the project is relatively small. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Paperflock is actually losing money on this project.
Quoted from hool10:Yeah true but you can likely meet him (I have) at a game show and he does panels, streams, etc. Paperflock nobody knows them and the size of the project is relatively small. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Paperflock is actually losing money on this project.
they can't really lose any money if they never produce the product. given that they raised over $50K to produce less than 500 books, I think that they would really have to piss away a good deal to not have enough funds to produce the actual book
vireland or jonathan can confirm this
Quoted from hool10:I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Paperflock is actually losing money on this project.
Zidware was technically losing money as well...but JPop still took a lot of money out of the company from customers. I’m guessing they’ve been paying themselves in some way over the past couple of years out of Paperglock...
Utrecht
Quoted from j_m_:they can't really lose any money if they never produce the product. given that they raised over $50K to produce less than 500 books, I think that they would really have to piss away a good deal to not have enough funds to produce the actual book
vireland or jonathan can confirm this
Let me put it like this: if I was paid $50K to produce 500 books, I would make sure it was ready in time and it would be so impressive that it would create an even bigger demand for reprints.
Quoted from unigroove:Let me put it like this: if I was paid $50K to produce 500 books, I would make sure it was ready in time and it would be so impressive that it would create an even bigger demand for reprints.
Especially since the lion's share of that $50k wasn't even hard costs to print and ship the books.
3 weeks later
another update...
Hello Backers!
Just a quick update to let you know that we are more than halfway through the redesign!
We started with Laser War, Stern's first machine, and have worked our way all the way through SEGA and are now working on the modern era of games! Some of these games have SO much content to go through and we want to squeeze every little bit of goodness out of this content we can!
Here are a few machines that have been completed in the last month:
Harley Davidson
Starship Trropers & Viper
South Park
If you don't know the story of how South Park got made, it's in the book and a good story too!
We're truckin' on, and moving through these as fast as we can!
Will update again soon!
Thank you all for your support! Dameon, Joe, and the Paperflock team
Quoted from Phat_Jay:If you actually believe what they are saying now.....
True :-/
Quoted from Phat_Jay:If you actually believe what they are saying now.....
I sure don’t. If this thing actually ships, do you think they’re going to go through with the pro, premium, and limited editions of the book.
That’s why I’m pissed, ordered a few of the LEs for gifts, and myself. If this does go to print, it will be below pro standards.
It's starting to actually look like a coffee table style book though. I think we may actually have this book in our hands this year.
Quoted from KLR2014:another update...
Hello Backers!
Just a quick update to let you know that we are more than halfway through the redesign!
We started with Laser War, Stern's first machine, and have worked our way all the way through SEGA and are now working on the modern era of games! Some of these games have SO much content to go through and we want to squeeze every little bit of goodness out of this content we can!
Here are a few machines that have been completed in the last month:
Harley Davidson
Starship Trropers & Viper
South Park
If you don't know the story of how South Park got made, it's in the book and a good story too!
We're truckin' on, and moving through these as fast as we can!
Will update again soon!
Thank you all for your support! Dameon, Joe, and the Paperflock team
Quoted from Whysnow:man this book looks like absolute shit!
From the examples, the layout looks really inconsistent and poor. For example, I think showing the full plastic set and actual keyfobs a pin came with could be very useful for the present and future, but they don't do it on all of these, and in the case of Harley, they use the plastic set picture as a design element and have it bleeding from one background into another. Also, they have the SAME EAGLE shown in the plastic set and then overlaying the sticker sheet on the left. Crappy.
How many angles do we need to see of Kenny? I'd rather see 27 different angles of Chef's big black chocolatey balls
Quoted from unigroove:So I guess it will mostly be a cramp-as-many-images-as-we-can-fit-on-a-page book, without any eye for detail.
BINGO! This is exactly what its looking like
wow, thought it was just me but too cramped up (especially starship and viper) and would of loved to see a consistent shot of the cabinet, playfield & translite for every game
if the pages end up being smallish you are not going to see the details - whoever is the art director on this has a crap vision
agreed. at this point, I think that a [small] step in the right direction would be to remove some of the clutter and put in the acetate fold-out pages that show the different components of the machines (empty cabinet [solid sheet of paper] and then transparent pages for hardware in cabinet bottom, empty playfield and populated playfield layers (ramps, posts, spinners, drop target assemblies each as a layer) as well as playfield from underneath [solid sheet of paper] and then gi bulbs, controlled bulbs, subways, coils, drop target assemblies, gi harness, switch harness, coil harness transparent pages)
I'll bet that the book doesn't even detail the backbox improvements (with images) from the classic stern, dataeast, sega, whitestar, sam, spike and spike 2
I think it looks pretty good, particularly if the rest of the book is filled with good stories and behind the scenes pictures.
Sydney
3 weeks later
Quoted from jellikit:After Thursday they will have another machine to add to the book!
That's likely going to cause a few months extra delay 
Quoted from unigroove:That's likely going to cause a few months extra delay
At least a year, I would guess, with the way these guys work.
I guess it doesn't even need to be said that we've crossed their "2 months" timeline since their poll.
1 week later
We want to make this book as jam-packed as we possibly can, but that means some of these layouts are taking twice as long!
It's because with many of these more recent machines we have SO much material and we are trying to squeeze as much as we can into the layouts!
Check out this layout for Simpson's Pinball Party, which has over 40 elements!
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