thanks hool10

wtf is joe providing these promised monthly updates?!?

I don't suppose there's an International shipping arrangement in place as yet?

I'm willing to stand as the trial case of how many volumes I can receive in Australia before I get my Kickstarter pledge fulfilled.

They got a CD from Stern now. So hurray?.....

What is gonna show up first, a sighting of a Model 3 or this book?

hey, let's go back to the archives and restart the book.

Wasn't Stern "on board" with this from the start? With editorial control? So why the 11th hour offering of images?

I'm looking forward to Todd's books more and more now. How many can he deliver before the Stern book?

Are we supposed to be excited because they are still gathering info for this book, or concerned because they are still gathering info for this long overdue book?

A cease and desist?

Aerosmith, Star Wars, Guardians of the Galaxy and Iron Maiden have all been released since this book started. Also 4 vault/home edition models...

I probably shouldn't comment on this, but didn't the update of 2 months ago indicate that it would be 8 weeks for the designer of the book to be done with the design? And now there is new artwork available?

As for the CD archive: aren't those WNBJM images also on the Whizbang website? I thought for a second you had access to the CD archive that contains files from the early games. WNBJM was only a few years ago. can't believe they actually still used CDs at that time. You'd think it be all hard drives by then.

Complete and Distribute.

Posted May 8, 2018:

It's insane to me that an update 2 months after the above was posted doesn't address what should be the final steps before printing, but talks getting assets.

When will these books ship? The delay is beyond any excuse they can come up with at this point. Looks like complete incompetence to me.

Well either he was working on the last few months finishing up the other Kickstarter and then started working on the Stern book or, like Gomez said he just expanded the book a lot to include Data East, etc. Would like communication.

I think the Flockers should hold things off just a little longer until Elvira 3 is out...

If we're expanding the scope to Data East, let's expand to Stern's competitors to get a complete picture of Stern's journey! Why not expand to Deeproot and just release a bigger book next Fall? A homebrew chapter would be cool, too, let's add that and delay it some more!

In showbiz, these moves would be called vamping.

Good idea. Here’s the first proof...

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Does that still qualify for media mail?

Maybe it's not a coffee table book anymore but like a big book now?

Maybe it's no book now....

Maybe it's 10 books with Todd Tuckey narrating...

Will Iron Maiden be in the book? ....Asking for a friend.

Ironic a book about the only company that ships games quickly is on a shipping timeline of all its competitors...

They should get started on the "deeproot 30th anniversary" book today.

I'm sure that joe will be back in 30 days to announce it (along with a 50th year anniversary book for Jersey Jack and Spooky

This thread is still running

yes, the general consensus is that we've accomplished more here than paperflock has (and that's not saying much

Maybe we should take a leaf out of Dutch Pinball’s book and start a GoFundMe to fund PaperFlock hiring someone to actually write the book.

Acquiring necessary source material two years later should not inspire confidence by anyone.

The key word is necessary, not optional. This is not how to publish a book or even conduct research to begin to write a book of 30 years of history. This also contradicts the statements previously made with final progress. It took me a nearly a year to get the full 10 years of design history for my Ted Zale transcript and finish it.

Detailed source material is the second step after developing an outline structure and basic transcript (by whomever, contracted or otherwise). Photos, promotional trade media, and development sketches provides depth of study into the topic in question, as it was not covering games since 2010, but 1987. You cannot have a final layout without this stock material. So, which is it? Why does it take two years get material needed that was supported by Stern? This is ass backwards, not logical, and shows lack of concern on behalf of all parties involved. The answer is the layout is not finished, photos not selected, and material remains under review for not revision but inclusion.

toddtuckey will have released all his book volumes by the time this freight train boxcar continues on its shaky rails, if not derailed sooner.
I hate seeing people waste money on things they are passionate in learning about only to be disappointed.

maybe I should start a kickstarter to fund tracking down joe and the rest of the paperflock team so that we can bring them to expo this year for a public flogging

How many people would get a refund if they could?

I tried to numerous times, but haven't been successful

Pretty much a sure sign their $$$ has already dried up. It wouldn't surprise me to see this go down the same path as other Kickstarters and soon start to hear about some sort of other fundraising in a last-ditch effort to get more money for the project.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "had I known the sh!tsh*w that this would become, my $300+ (yep, I was dumb enough to sign in for one of those top tiers) would have been better off buying complete strangers a round at the local bar"

given stern's involvement in this, I believe that they should be held accountable as well to some degree

Joe DP will come and post one of his usual excuses. Soon after almost everyone who's in will thank him for the update and tell him to keep up the good work...

It's not too late to salvage at least that much. I'll meet you at the bar and we can commiserate about the loss of your money. I prefer Russian imperial stouts.

If you'd like to upgrade to a higher tier I also drink scotch and bourbon.

I drink Bourbon, but I would be hard pressed on a good night to do more than 3 $20 pours. See you at the next show, you can buy the first round

This and a couple other failed kickstarters have turned me completely off from ever pre-buying into anything. There just isn't enough accountability in the process.

I believe that it's you that probably owes me a drink or two mister

Time for a lawsuit....

unfortunately, due to the way that kickstarter is set up there is no legal option against paperflock through kickstarter itself
and as we all know with a lawsuit, the only people who make money are the lawyers. we'd be lucky to come away with a slice of pizza each after the legal fees are paid

I still like the idea of kidnapping joe and bringing him to expo to face a jury of his peers for his [lack of] actions

Speaking of Joe...he hasn't disappeared on us again, has he?

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64 days now since an update. so much for even bi-monthly updates, eh?

Meh. I still support KS occasionally. Some work, some don't. I look at it more buying into the POTENTIAL for a cool thing to be made. But yeah, this particular one seems extremely amateurish. It's like they don't have any idea what the flow for making a book should be. At all. And that "photo restoring" - yeesh. So bad.

I think I found who should have written the book in the "Stern Nabs Godzilla" thread. Frippertron really gave a nice, concise history here:

Ok I got a solid (I hope) for you folks. So I went to my first Pinburgh ever and it won't be my last! They had all sorts of people there including the man himself, Gary Stern! Yeah.... ugh....WOW! Meeting him was fun because even though I'm 30, I lean more towards EM and SS. The sort of era that Gary grew up on so we had this mutual connection as a Cheetah was playing behind us. I tried to convince Keith Elwin and T-Sex to make a more current family friendly theme like Daft Punk. Don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for Iron Maiden music and Marvel, etc but Daft Punk is more for a younger audience while still not too young. I was told it's really not up to Gary surprisingly enough but Jody Dankberg and Dave Peterson with their team of marketers/licensors to choose the next game. Well that was interesting. So while that Cheetah was being played and this also came up during Keith Elwins panel is we want the old school SS street level games that Stern put out back in the good ol' days. We want that Nine Ball, Cheetah and oh-my-God-it's-epic-QUICKSILVER. No licensing needed just modernize it and BAM I would even buy it I told Gary. He agreed like Keith but wouldn't say anything more about it.

Anyways I brought up the book. I told him that I'm so sorry for the whole Trudeau situation because well people who work in this industry know each others families and have worked with each other for years and sometimes decades. I told him that I understand that delayed the book. I also told him that I know he wants to be certain the book does a terrific job to tell his family's company history as well as current and it's why it may be taking a long time to be made. However I told him that the lack of updates is just inexcusable. He told me he knows about the book and so does Gomez. They are both (and I'm assuming it's not just them) also think the lack of updates is inexcusable. He was actually pretty angry how it has been handled so far like us. He knows the book has taken far too long to be made. He promised me he would get to the bottom of it and sort it out. He also said a few weeks back he did indeed review and approve of a final draft copy of the book.