I figured there was a 50/50 chance I'd be donating to Joe's vacation fund from the very beginning. Maybe I did, or maybe we get the book--who knows at this point?

Sterns PR/Marketing team what a joke. I'm still waiting on my free t-shirt that I was supposed to get with my new Stern purchase, or even a response to the email asking for an update. It is utterly amazing that Stern is as successful as they are with their completely unprofessional marketing.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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At least Gary Stern mentioned it was on his desk and that he was the hold up. Would have been worse if Stern had said they haven't heard from Paperflock in a year.

I missed that, when did that happen?

Actually it was Dave Peterson who said something like that at the Stern seminar during Expo. You can check the audio on Pinball News.

Correct, just didn’t know if Gary commented or not. Wanted to make sure I didn’t miss something. Thanks J

Gary held the mic when I asked the question. He immediately referred the question to the guys at the table in front.

Currently this is my most expensive ornament, and I have two of them.

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I never even received the paper xmas ornament

Sometimes your avatar matches your posts perfectly. Lol

I didn't receive them either. Not too upset though - they'd just be a reminder.

No worries if you did not receive this highly sought after collector ornament, as mine is available for the low bargain price of $55, (plus shipping).

Lucky, I have two $225 versions.

You might want to hang on to those deluxe versions, as I am positive they will continue to rise in value!

I'm certain all is well. The publisher is busy finishing the design of the gel layers that show the anatomy of a pinball machine.

??

I didn't think that the kickstarter campaign made it to the level to include that. if they did, and they are actually working on that, I will be pleased

Yes if they did decide to put the layered dissection pages of a pinball and that is the reason for the delay I would be exstatic!

I think mrbally was being sarcastic but who knows since tone is nearly impossible to decipher on the internet.

The was my take on it as well. Hey, Joe--wanna weigh in on this? Surely they have internet in Fiji...

Can anybody contact Zach? Sterns PR team not responding to me is surprising tbh. I mean I love the whole support of the Stern Army and they are active on FB I think (they banned me long ago).

Thanks PaperFlop

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/kickstarter-campaign-for-new-pinball-book-launched

The P-Flockers cured me from all things Kickstarter.

Ok I got into contact with Joe Rubinstein last night. He told me that we are not conned, that there will be an update in the next few days, and that there was a couple of rewrites that were likely understandably out of their control. Paperflock is making good progress and getting the book done soon. Would have really liked to know about these delays or anything though rather than dead silence. Also Joe shipped out his completed cosplay Kickstarter to backers recently. So there is that.

saw that one coming. Still annoyed that the whole delay for the book was to go past the 30th anniversary game, Batman66, and then it turned into a clusterF.

Thanks for getting us an update, h-10.

I think we all knew it was going to be delayed because it's just an estimate then the whole Trudeau thing. Completely understandable. The only thing that I am angry about with this whole project is the lack of updates. It not only hurt this project but unfortunately Pinball Magazine KS effort and people's perception of how KS work. I have a good feeling though that Stern was a big reason in the delays. Sterns legal/PR team is something that is a lot to be desired which as I said is shocking to me at least.

Thank you for the update.

it still doesn't pardon the fact that joe went "silent" here on pinside back in may and has been sh*t silent for updates on all fronts (pinside, the kickstarter site and the paperflock site).

there's really no excuse for it, and he's got a lot of explaining to do to even begin to start attempting to earn any respect (let alone confidence) back

I understand how Kickstarter works (I have one project I pledged for almost three years ago still chugging along) and am not fretting about the book but their radio silence is just killing any support for future projects from a lot of people here.

You get tunnel vision doing these things but the lack of occasional updates is really hurting their image.

So, is Peterson/Stern or this Joe Rubinstein lying? It seems that their answers CONflict.

I don't see it that way. Stern says the hold up is on their end, that they have a proof copy on their desk. Joe is saying there were some rewrites at Sterns request and progress continues. At least that is how I am reading it.

This is how I am reading it as well. Maybe there was issues with Disney giving the ok with a pinball game but not ok when it was to be featured in a book. Like there could be a million things and I don't want to speculate on any of it. It could be that the legal department told PaperFlock not to talk about these troubles as well but again that is just speculation.

......well, shorter....

I know it's frustrating having to wait, but you can believe us when we tell you this project is going on longer and is much more complicated than we could have imagined when we started.

Funny how that happens.

Wow, Joe is promising an update once a month now! If he actually does it, should only be 5-6 more updates...

WTF didn't they post that update here?
Those ArseHats were all happy to come hock their "warez" here in the forum to drive up their kickstarter... then they "can't be bothered" to communicate in those same threads.

Paperflock; you will NEVER get a dime from me because of this.

To be fair, it was an update sent to all backers of the project (people with skin in the game) via email and posted on the Kickstarter site in the backer section. Many project leaders post in various forums and facebook groups to promote a Kickstarter during the campaign and then only post updates to backers. They rarely go back to every place they solicited from to post updates, why would they if they are updating all the backers with one step?

I posted it here since the community has been active in the discussion about the campaign (and its communication issues) and I felt it was in the best interest of the community to know that an update was posted.

They definitely need to communicate more, it has been lacking. But if you pledged, what updates there are get sent directly to you. Complaining that they aren't keeping everyone who didn't pledge notified of what is going on seems a bit crazy to me, especially as this thread started with bashing the whole project to begin with.

Did that pretty much confirm they have to whitewash John Trudeau? I understand being upset with them, but that's a really crappy situation they are in, that they didnt cause or have control over.

cosmicjim:
maybe, however if they had completed the book "on time", the whole john trudeau thing wouldn't have happened yet and would be a non-issue
they are already a year late on its delivery, so I'm sorry but they don't deserve any sympathy whatsoever in my book

Ah, I didn’t know it was that late.

well, not exactly a year but it was supposed by complete by the summer. so 6 months overdue with no real date still in sight
my guess is by the time it goes to print and gets into the hands of the backers, it will be over a year overdue

I had a big response typed out; but I'll leave it at this:
I have a real problem with people who pop their head into a random site just to say "hey; give me money" and then disappear.

The only opinions I care about are the 444 people who put their $ where their mouths are. Everyone else is just static.

I will give you this; there is only one major message board for pinball unlike the dozens of sites a video game Kickstarter or Board Game Kickstarter would have to post do so it would not have been that hard to keep the majority of the online pinball community updated.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that recent events require new edits? The book is supposed to be a historical document. Trudeau worked at Stern and contributed to the book. Why now leave that out? It's not like we leave historic events out of the history books because we didn't like the main players involved. If you're documenting 30 years of Stern, isn't that what it should be? Or should it be 30 years minus a few games?

I'm guessing it's not to remove all trace of him or his games, but likely when they extended the book to feature in depth new game development, it was a Trudeau title. Because the charges are so unpleasant and toxic, is that the person they want featured in a big way? Not to mention that title (I'm assuming the rumored Iron Maiden) was bumped in release to be retooled, to unbrand it as a "Trudea game" and assign ownership to another designer. So, the book can't destroy that narrative.

It is what it is at this point.