Santa Gary gave most of us coal for Xmas...
What games do you think will get an update, and when do you think an update will occur?
I hope Stern gives more love to Star Trek LE/Premium and Pro.
Fix bugs, polish code, and add a few new features...
The code is really great, but it could always be improved.
Avengers LE/Premium and Pro
Xmen LE/Premium and Pro
Kiss
Game of Thrones
Mustang
WWE
Walking Dead
Pins needing code love and improvements...
Quoted from TigerLaw:And Do or Die Multiball on Iron Man, we want that too!
It's there. Play better. 
I've never seen Valinor on LOTR, Super Mega Wizard Mode on TSPP, or Sperm Attack on FGY - but that doesn't mean they need updates. Save the code outrage for the games that truly need it - missing features & bugs.
Quoted from shovelhed:Band member mode on met!!!!!!!!
It's there. It's called Blackened.
Quoted from DNO:I hope Pinside gives me less code threads this year! FFS!
How about a sub-forum dedicated to it?
All the whiners could just have a heyday!
If no one says anything, Stern will continue being a code Grinch.
You can thank people like myself holding Gary accountable for code updates when your pin gets a much needed update.
Quoted from TigerLaw:And Do or Die Multiball on Iron Man, we want that too!
Quoted from shovelhed:Band member mode on met!!!!!!!!
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:Walking Dead
Geez talk about crying wolf....
Quoted from Rarehero:It's there. It's called Blackened.
That is achieved when all band members are collected. Would be sweet if you had to do more than just hit pick targets to collect each band member.
Quoted from Rarehero:It's there. Play better.
I've never seen Valinor on LOTR, Super Mega Wizard Mode on TSPP, or Sperm Attack on FGY - but that doesn't mean they need updates. Save the code outrage for the games that truly need it - missing features & bugs.
I think Star Trek is great, but Microsoft Windows gets updates periodically.
I feel bad for the people with pins that need major code updates.
They deserve a completed pin.
Stern always likes to say "stay tuned", but people are still waiting, and usually get bupkis.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:If no one says anything, Stern will continue being a code Grinch.
You can thank people like myself holding Gary accountable for code updates when your pin gets a much needed update.
Your understanding of how things work is a wee bit simplistic.
Like the majority of people on Pinside, Gary Stern doesn't listen to you, or value your opinion.
Quoted from Chambahz:Your understanding of how things work is a wee bit simplistic.
Like the majority of people on Pinside, Gary Stern doesn't listen to you, or value your opinion.
You are absolutely right.
He cares about vodka and money.
Pinside revolted earlier this year, and he did listen a little.
He banned the shirt.
He tried to block the siege on his Facebook page with Stern propaganda and not allowing posts on communicated day.
There was some small media coverage.
It is better than nothing.
You have to vote with your wallet.
I am never going to buy a NIB from Stern until the code is right.
Remaining silent and acting like there isn't a problem doesn't fix the problem.
Being vocal and not buying NIB will make him listen.
It is a high-end toy that deserves better support.
Most high-end toys get premium support because the company appreciates your business and wants repeat business.
I think people are becoming more wise with pin purchases.
Especially with pin companies delaying products for years and filing bankruptcy with many downpayments...
Gary needs to sell his company to a businessman/woman with a brain.
Gary is a thickheaded drunk that has no clue on customer service.
He crawls in a vodka bottle.
Back to my original question...
What games do you think will get an update, and when do you think an update will occur?
Quoted from pintechev:This thread encapsulates everything wrong with this hobby.
A hobby with no code support for a very expensive item.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:A hobby with no code support for a very expensive item.
Incorrect.
Quoted from pintechev:Incorrect.
Waiting a year to get code is unacceptable or a few pin owners have received bupkis with regards to code.
Quoted from ek77:Don't you mean Santa Jack
Santa Jack Sh*t is Gary because he gives jack sh*t.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:I think Star Trek is great, but Microsoft Windows gets updates periodically.
I feel bad for the people with pins that need major code updates.
They deserve a completed pin.
Stern always likes to say "stay tuned", but people are still waiting, and usually get bupkis.
Microsoft releases updates primarily to fix security vulnerabilities that the security industry threatens to disclose if they don't. They also fix high-impact stability and fixes for regressions in their code. Not a proper analogy.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:Waiting a year to get code is unacceptable or a few pin owners have received bupkis with regards to code.
Go buy from Jack it will make things all better 
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:Waiting a year to get code is unacceptable or a few pin owners have received bupkis with regards to code.
So your Star Trek LE doesn't work at all and you're waiting for an update so it will boot up again?
Quoted from pintechev:So your Star Trek LE doesn't work at all and you're waiting for an update so it will boot up again?
The software has bugs that need to be fixed.
Windows has bug updates as well.
Microsoft doesn't just address security issues.
My post includes everyone needing code.
Gary Stern brown nosers/bootlickers.
Quoted from pintechev:So your Star Trek LE doesn't work at all and you're waiting for an update so it will boot up again?
Also, using ST as an example, which we both own, has undergone significant code updates and enhancements since release. Major features such as medals and enhancements to scoring, modes and multiball plus bug fixes.
Currently on version 1.6.1. I've updated the code at least 4-5 times since owning it.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:The software has bugs that needs to be fixed.
Windows has bug updates as well.
Microsoft doesn't just address security issues.
My post includes everyone needing code.
Gary Stern brown nosers/bootlickers.
When did you become the voice/advocate for all Stern owners?
Quoted from pintechev:Also, using ST as an example, which we both own, has undergone significant code updates and enhancements since release. Major features such as medals and enhancements to scoring, modes and multiball plus bug fixes.
Currently on version 1.6.1. I've updated the code at least 4-5 times since owning it.
It would be nice to get more polished code that addresses outstanding bugs.
If they throw a few more features at us, we get a bonus.
And there are people needing updates for crappy code.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:It would be nice to get more polished code that addresses outstanding bugs.
If they throw a few more features at us, we get a bonus.
And there are people needing updates for crappy code.
Nice to see your tune changing when presented with facts.
Quoted from pintechev:When did you become the voice/advocate for all Stern owners?
My post is a discussion.
People talk about code all the time.
I am not the "voice", but I am having a discussion about what/when code will appear.
You must be a Gary Stern brown noser that can't hear anything negative about the company or your king.
Quoted from pintechev:Nice to see your tune changing when presented with facts.
My tune hasn't changed.
I think the code is great, but it needs a few changes.
Did you read my first post?
There are a lot of people needing code.
Didn't you hear that for every person that brown noses Gary Stern, they get a free game that Gary drives to your home and personally sets up for you.
I have a lot of respect for Gary for keeping pinball alive through the dark ages. If it wasn't for him, we would be all playing 90s games without hope of anything new. They are the reason we can buy new games without having to pre-order or wait and hope that boutique manufactures are able to raise money and ship. 3-4 new titles a year, like clockwork.
Do my two Stern games have bugs? Yes. All software does. Have I ever had a moment of diminished enjoyment from my Stern games due to code? No. Not once. They are great big toys and I enjoy them for what they are; objects to enjoy and amuse.
Having some perspective about this conversation makes it a lot more fun to enjoy pinball.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:My tune hasn't changed.
I think the code is great, but it needs a few changes.
Did you read my first post?
There are a lot of people needing code.
In the list of pinball atrocities, code doesn't come even close to the list of actual issues your fellow Pinsiders face. For example, multiple people defrauding by taking money for games that will never be produced. And we get a few threads about that.
But we get lots of threads about code.
It's just simply not that broken. Sure, it could be better. But the games are fun and get more fun over time.
Fun.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:My tune hasn't changed.
I think the code is great, but it needs a few changes.
Did you read my first post?
There are a lot of people needing code.
You want changes. It doesn't need any. ST is a popular game on location, at home and in tournaments.
Quoted from pintechev:Didn't you hear that for every person that brown noses Gary Stern, they get a free game that Gary drives to your home and personally sets up for you.
I have a lot of respect for Gary for keeping pinball alive through the dark ages. If it wasn't for him, we would be all playing 90s games without hope of anything new. They are the reason we can buy new games without having to pre-order or wait and hope that boutique manufactures are able to raise money and ship. 3-4 new titles a year, like clockwork.
Do my two Stern games have bugs? Yes. All software does. Have I ever had a moment of diminished enjoyment from my Stern games due to code? No. Not once. They are great big toys and I enjoy them for what they are; objects to enjoy and amuse.
Having some perspective about this conversation makes it a lot more fun to enjoy pinball.
He makes new pins, but code support sucks.
I don't respect a guy who doesn't respect his customers.
They are expensive toys, and deserve better support.
ST code took forever to get to the stage that we are enjoying now.
People are still without an update.
He doesn't care about the customers.
Taking a year for an update is ridiculous.
90s pins are classics that are on the top 10 list.
Taking your money as a deposit or waiting a year for good code are both bad scenarios.
He isn't a hero for making new pins.
He needs to make pins with good code coming out of the factory.
That will keep pinball alive.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:He makes new pins, but code support sucks.
I don't respect a guy who doesn't respect his customers.
They are expensive toys, and deserve better support.
ST code took forever to get to the stage that we are enjoying now.
People are still without an update.
He doesn't care about the customers.
Taking a year for an update is ridiculous.
90s pins are classics that are on the top 10 list.
Taking your money as a deposit or waiting a year for good code are both bad scenarios.
He isn't a hero for making new pins.
He needs to make pins with good code coming out of the factory.
That will keep pinball alive.
You should sell your sterns and go buy those 90's pins with complete code.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:My tune hasn't changed.
I think the code is great, but it needs a few changes.
Did you read my first post?
There are a lot of people needing code.
And I did read your first post where you started out by saying you liked your ST, but wished it had a few more things.
And then you went onto personal attacks and calling Gary a drunk and wishing that he would sell the company. Because from where I see it, he kept the company alive and profitable (and growing). If I was an investor (and I am not) I would be pretty happy with how Stern Pinball has been run.
I'd also be happy if I was a designer and a pinball software engineer because I would still have a job thanks to Gary. Or the hundreds of people he employs.
Perspective.
I've never met Gary, but if I did, I would happily buy him a drink and thank him for keeping a hobby that I cherish alive and strong.
Quoted from centerflank:You should sell your sterns and go buy those 90's pins with complete code.
I love it when 'Flank shows up.
Much respect brother.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:He makes new pins, but code support sucks.
I don't respect a guy who doesn't respect his customers.
They are expensive toys, and deserve better support.
ST code took forever to get to the stage that we are enjoying now.
People are still without an update.
He doesn't care about the customers.
Taking a year for an update is ridiculous.
90s pins are classics that are on the top 10 list.
Taking your money as a deposit or waiting a year for good code are both bad scenarios.
He isn't a hero for making new pins.
He needs to make pins with good code coming out of the factory.
That will keep pinball alive.
You keep running yourself in circles.
Quoted from pintechev:In the list of pinball atrocities, code doesn't come even close to the list of actual issues your fellow Pinsiders face. For example, multiple people defrauding by taking money for games that will never be produced. And we get a few threads about that.
But we get lots of threads about code.
It's just simply not that broken. Sure, it could be better. But the games are fun and get more fun over time.
Fun.
I didn't give startup pin companies a deposit for a future pin.
I can't comment on the situation, but it is a terrible situation.
Fraud is wrong.
If I give money for something, I better get a product after the transaction or the company has to be very reputable and in business for many years.
Quoted from pintechev:I love it when 'Flank shows up.
Much respect brother.
Modern stern coding blows away majority of the 90's stuff, way easier to get to wizard modes and complete them on the old stuff.
Maybe that's why they are so highly ranked, people don't like a challenge.
Quoted from centerflank:You should sell your sterns and go buy those 90's pins with complete code.
Why would I sell my Stern pins when the code is 95% complete?
I won't buy another NIB Stern pin.
90s pins are great.
Do you have a problem with them?
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:I didn't give startup pin companies a deposit for a future pin.
I can't comment on the situation, but it is a terrible situation.
Fraud is wrong.
If I give money for something, I better get a product after the transaction or the company has to be very reputable and in business for many years.
And you get a great pinball machine from Stern. One that works physically, mechanically, has flashing lights, is sturdy enough to be left in a bar and played for years.
Perspective.
Quoted from Dis_Pinballer:Why would I sell my Stern pins when the code is 95% complete?
I won't buy another NIB Stern pin.
90s pins are great.
Do you have a problem with them?
All this energy for 5%?
Quoted from centerflank:Modern stern coding blows away majority of the 90's stuff, way easier to get to wizard modes and complete them on the old stuff.
Maybe that's why they are so highly ranked, people don't like a challenge.
Yup. They are hard. I must not be a very good pinball player because people complain about danger room on X-Men and I have only been there once in 2 years.
I've joined the Cirqus 4 times now...
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