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Stern Bashing. Justified?

By erak

6 years ago


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    #538 6 years ago

    hi,
    sorry i don't know where to ask..
    what is the period warranty for a printing error on a cabinet decal?
    thanks

    #544 6 years ago
    Quoted from dnapac:

    Can you give us a picture/more details?

    Of course. Here is a pic. I just want to how Stern warranty works? Period? When period starts?
    Game built august 2016. got it nib around 4 months ago. I know I should have asked earlier, but it did not prevent me from playing ..and time is gone..

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    #547 6 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    There will ALWAYS be people that are NEVER F ing happy with ANYTHING!
    And if you guys own a business you know what I'm talking about.
    It's obvious Stern has issues that needs to be resolved, nobody is denying that. Nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head to buy anything either.
    I don't know about you, and thankfully it happens very infrequently, i red flag and stop sign the potential "pain in the ass". Some clients aren't worth ANY amount of $$ they pay you to put up with their shit. Just saying.

    Customers are king

    Nobody gets the same level of demand, that generally rises with the price.
    Pinball price must have doubled in twenty years or less...gradually when the market turned to the private.
    And private is more picky than professional.

    #549 6 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Stern's written warranty does not cover cabinet decals. Or the playfield. At all. In practice, Stern covers many more things, including ghosting playfield inserts, defective/peeling decals, etc. The written warranty is really quite limited, take a look and you'll be amazed given the amount of warranty-type service Stern actually provides for its machines.
    I don't think Stern has ever publicized its "limits" (time, number of previous owners, number of issues reported on single machine, etc.) for offering customer support that falls outside of the written warranty. It would be surprising if they did, since they seem to want to maintain a "case by case" standard and that's harder to do once you make promises in writing.
    So as with any issue with decals/playfield/etc., you should contact your distributor and ask if Stern's willing to do something. Even years after purchase people seem to have had good luck getting covered for things like board issues. Probably less so for "cosmetic" issues like decals and playfield defects, but you won't know until you ask.
    Good luck! Worst case do what Neo says and buy yourself a colored marker. It won't look quite as nice but will save you the trouble of re-decaling your cabinet.

    How can a distributor buy some pinball machine in stock without taking risk to be past warranty? Or period starts with the first buyer?
    Effectively stern warranty seems to be nebulous. And there is no way to buy this side of cabinet decal either, just a colored marker seems to be the only way.
    How does work with other manufacturer? Is there period warranty?

    #576 6 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    The written warranty says "Warranty periods are effective from the initial date of shipment from [Stern] to its authorized distributors." Doesn't matter in your case, of course, because the written warranty does not cover decals, playfield, or anything other than "printed circuit boards" and "dot matrix display boards." But again, in practice Stern covers these items for longer than the warranty states, and covers a bunch of other things as well ...

    Bingo! Their written warranty is still what you'd give if all of your customers were commercial operators routing machines. Since that's no longer the case, Stern provides much more warranty service than is written on the page. But as you say, it is "nebulous."

    If Stern still has the decals in stock (and they probably do for a game that new), I'd bet they would sell you one even if you cannot get your distributor to get you one for free.

    Here's a link with the JJP and CGC (AFMr) written warranties, take a look and see what you think:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-pinball-60-day-warranty-lets-talk-warranties/page/2#post-3938048
    To summarize, they're somewhat more generous than Stern's written warranty but still not nearly as generous as Stern's actual practice in providing warranty coverage (I gather JJP, like Stern, has also sometimes provided service outside of the written warranty period, don't know about CGC).

    the warranty (for the customer) should start since the customer receive the game. It is common sense.
    If only 5 or 10% of the machine price is guaranteed I think QC should be better it is currently, regarding the 90-95% of the game not under the warranty. This king of flaw is very visible ( it is not a nick), so how QC can miss it? Maybe they don't care as it is not in the warranty? If you are right, this system is vicious.
    Anyway, Chas (stern) told me it will be replaced if the game is still under warranty. Then I gave him serial number, date of manufacture (august 2016)got it nib since 4 months....and finally the game is past warranty! Effectively if the warranty starts since date of manufacture...

    #581 6 years ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Did you try contacting your distributor? 100% of the reports are that that is what you should do, instead of contacting Stern directly. Your distributor has influence with Stern that you as an individual buyer do not.
    Go to your distributor now, I'd bet they can get your decal for you.

    This is in progress.
    Thanks for all the information and the attention.

    #597 6 years ago
    Quoted from Chambahz:

    PLAY BETTER!!!
    ACDC is a punishing game but I suggest you not sell it, and tough it out instead.
    It's one of sterns best.

    The cannon prevents you to see the ball in the right side and so how to nudge the machine.

    Sold my luci a long time ago coz i must be one of few guys that don't like the gameplay.

    #601 6 years ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    I've never had this problem. You see the ball coming, you know it's physics and trajectory, and can nudge & save it on the right.
    The "X blocks my view" phenomenon is interesting. There are some pinball players who can't track the ball unless it's 100% in sight...the people who say the hammer on Metallica blocks their view, for example. I've never felt like it blocked my view...I know where the ball is during that half a second that it's behind something and know where it's going to be momentarily.

    I am not the first to complain about this. So I guess I am not completely wrong. And no You can't see the ball coming unless you significantly move.
    Met hammer, GB inlanes, creature etc it's less a problem for these games than ACDC coz it doesn't concern a critical area where you can loose the ball.
    Anyway, I hate the gameplay and it would have changed nothing.

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    #692 6 years ago
    Quoted from jimy_speedt:

    Do not want to interrupt this "God bless Stern" enthusiasm . However, can someone explain to me why the US prices of these machines fall in second hand, and the williams/bally prices rise or at least are steady ?
    I have the explanation

    What do you think it'd happen if Stern closed down?

    #698 6 years ago
    Quoted from jimy_speedt:

    J'en pense rien je m'en foutrais complet
    I know that on the french forum, there are big fans of Stern machines, because the game is fluent, themes match todays's mood, they are bright and so many other reasons.
    Honestly, the question is not "must Stern close or not ?"
    It is (for me) "when will they deliver quality playfields", "why are there less and less features for a higher and higher price", "why creativity is poorer than 20 years ago", "why is it commonly accepted that they can be little defects like switches to adjust, stickers or bulbs loose etc., on a brand new expensive stuff".
    That's my point, and I am happy that challengers come to the market for a few years now. Hopefully, the pinball future will be bright

    Je répondais juste à ta question, si stern mettait la cle sous la porte, certains de leurs jeux verraient leur vote s'envoler comme B/W.

    Moderator Translation:
    The value of modern Sterns would increase if Stern goes Belly up.

    I would add: and prices for B/W as well.

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    #794 6 years ago
    Quoted from Black_Knight:

    I just don't see a significant diff in Stern designs over the last few years. SW isnt significantly different than IM and the complaints on that one were similar at the time. Original AC/DC pros look pretty similar too.
    Have the legs doors or ramps really changes at all in modern sterns? I can't see any difference from my Dale to my TWD to my Aero - spanning 10 years so what are you talking about?
    JJP machines may be better built and have more toys but cost 60% more for the base model DI. (Base vs base)
    Feels like stern and JJP have very similar cost/quality/playability ratios.

    Full game is premium for Stern and base for jjp.

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