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Quoted from Tommy_Pins:Does anybody want to actually play the game first, before they clutter the playfield with useless junk?
Heck no!! I'm not even going to unbox my LE... I'm going to ship it right away down to Bryan_Kelly and have him put a shitload of toys all over the playfield.
Quoted from Colsond3:I plan on adding some also...just a few.
If pinside is a disease, then this is fully metastatic stage 4. No hope for a cure!!
Quoted from Astropin:My distro can beat up your distro!
Yo distro so fat, she thought Jabba the Hut had anorexia!!
Quoted from stpcore:Do you realize how many time zones there are?
Looking forward to whatever we see at 6pm CST.
There are more than 24 time zones I believe (but I should probably google it before spouting off because the rest of this post is meant as a learning moment).
Anyway, I'm not sure how many because I do know that not everyone observes Daylight Savings Time... for those that do, including most of the Central Time Zone in the US, it's 6pm CDT this time of year and not CST.
Quoted from TheLaw:...or just explaining everything to too much detail.
Um, nevermind.
Quoted from hawkmoon:Why can't you tell us what code your SW pin has in it now???
I'll take a wild guess... Because somebody had to replace the drama of waiting for the gameplay video with some drama of waiting for something else?
Quoted from usandthem:Any pin that I've ever liked has one or more cool physical gimmicks. Addams Family has the hand, the magnets under the playfield to randomize the ball. TZ has the gumball machine and magnaflip. LOTR has the magnetized ring that freezes the ball before disappearing onto the ramp behind the playfield. TS has the Sanctum, player-controlled diverters, and the best upper playfield in pinball. AS shoots the ball into the air into a toy box. NGG has the slam ramp to elevate the ball into the hole. The list goes on and on. This game has nothing in a physical sense. Does it have cool rules that Stern has shown that it is capable of when it tries? Yes. But that layout is SOO tired. Couple that with no, zero, zilch interactive toys and it's blah to me. And the fact that you have to pay 40-80% more for the version that may throw an interactive toy your way. Stick it!
I'm wondering if the hyperdrive loop and jump ramp into the DeathStar on the premium and LE would be comparable to the "physical gimmicks" you are referring to on other games? Personally, many of those gimmicks only serve to slow down the flow of the game and the novelty wears off after seeing them a time or two. Hope this doesn't have the same end result on SW.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Colson just propositioned me in the bathroom.
Word on the street is that boob shot first!
Quoted from beelzeboob:Okay, I just got done playing the game with DaveH and ForceFlow in a quiet setting with the sound turned WAY up and...
Wow. Just WOW. This game is truly a blast to play. Say what you want about the sparse playfield...it's lightning fast, immersive as hell, and the music and sound are incredible. I'm upgrading my previous 7 to a 9, and have deleted all previous comments I made lest they wrongly influence somebody on the fence ( konghusker , I'm looking at you!).
This is a game that seems already almost fully coded (much like GOT did when shipping), and it's just the fastest game I've ever played. All three of us had the ball drain at one point before we could even react with the flipper in time. Think AFM on steroids (good luck with the center drain off those LCD targets!).
Terrific game. Those of you who haven't played it need to get over the art and sparsity of the playfield and play a game before judging...and DON'T do it in a loud environment with people hanging over your back waiting to play. This will be a great addition to anybody's collection in a home environment, and should make a killing on location.
And PS - My wife was playing the other SW across the room and had a grin from ear to ear the whole time. She loves it and can't wait for us to get ours.
THIS is exactly the review I was hoping for!! I can't tell you how many other pins give me the same feeling you described when playing on location in a loud busy place, but then are awesome when played in my basement or a friends house. Sounds and lights are such an important factor to me personally for the immersion experience.
Erik... you are quickly becoming the Bowen Kerins for Star Wars. You realize we're all going to be expecting a tutorial video from you once the code is a bit more complete, right?
Quoted from Pinballpal:Contact Melissa at Cointaker they are the best of the best.
Another thumbs-up for Cointaker. I'm in Minnesota and I will never buy another NIB game without talking to Melissa first. Their customer service is that awesome.
Quoted from mittens:Hmm, page 52 has the plans to the Death Star. I always thought they'd be more complex
Love it!! I literally almost spit out my drink when I read this.
Quoted from Deaconblooze:To be fair, that was pretty much a 2.5 hour movie designed to cover up a notorious plot hole.
Great... now I guess I'll be waiting for the Stern Rogue One movie that will be coming out as a prequel to the last few years of Stern QC deficiencies. Will we find out it was an intentional move all along, orchestrated by a inside mole from JJP??
Quoted from MattS:Most important thing is that YOU (the owner) enjoy it, everyone else's opinion on here or in the real world is irrelevant. That's just my opinion
I do tend to agree with this... but there are people out there who are betting on getting a deal if you decide to sell someday. If it's never leaving your collection, then absolutely irrelevant what others think.
It remains to be seen what the supply/demand curve for LE's will become a few years down the road. But the initial demand curve seems to have dropped a bit.
Quoted from MattS:This all makes perfect sense from a business perspective and I agree 100%. BUT.....for most of us, pinball is not a business, it is a hobby and hobbies cost money.
It is interesting to me how this hobby has a different thought process then most other hobbies. Everyone (me included) would like to get most, if not all, of their money back when they sell a machine after playing it for X number of months/years. On used machines, sometimes you can find a deal that allows you to play it for months/years and make some money. NIB machines sometimes go up but that is rare and should never be counted on.
Almost all other hobbies where the actual item you "play with" guns, cars, motorcycles, etc. cost a significant amount of money compared to pinball. By cost, I mean when you sell the item, pinball machine, gun, car, etc.what was the cost of ownership vs the amount of fun you had with it.
Example: you buy a rifle, take it to the range a few times a month, and shoot a couple hundred rounds each trip. Range fee+ammo+targets+gas+travel time to the range = cost that you can never get back but you had fun. Value of the gun itself is probably similar to what you paid for it in most cases.
Cars : you like going to the track (dragstrip, road course, doesn't really matter) you will go through tires+brakes+fluid changes more often +gas +any mods you decide to do to make it faster/handle better+as a rule, most all cars depreciate at some level= costs that you can never get back but you had fun. The car will almost certainly be worth less than what you paid for it in most cases.
Pinball: plug it in and play it + mods if you want +little to no maintenance (on a new machine in the short term) = you had fun (assuming you liked the machine you bought) and sold it for a price lower that what you paid (remember, a pinball machine is not an investment) but you had fun, hopefully shared it with some friends, and start looking for your next machine.
The pinball machine will be worth close to what you paid for it, some cases more but I would never count on that. How do you put a value on the fun you have and the friends you make in this hobby?
SWLE is approximately $1200 more than a premium. Is it worth it? I don't know, haven't seen one in person but I like the pictures. Will I like the way it plays? I don't know, Jack Danger and crew sure made it look fun TO ME. Will I lose money if and when I decide to sell it? I don't know but I am excited to play it, I have been a Star Wars fan since I was a little kid so if it costs me money to find out, I am OK with that. My hope is that I love it and it stays in my collection for a long time.
With all this being said, am I happy about paying $8500 for it at this time? No. Do I feel BM66 SLE was worth $5000 more than the LE at this time? No. Will I continue to buy at these prices? Unsure at this time.
I am fortunate enough to be able to afford these machines and share them with as many friends as I can but I feel for the people that are being/have been priced out.
Sorry for the long winded post but I feel sometimes the greatness that is pinball as a hobby gets lost in the bickering over price and value. What has value to you, 90's Williams games for example, doesn't have value to me, I don't like playing most of them (not directed at anyone specific, just a general statement). That's what makes this hobby so great, there are enough choice out there to make everyone happy!
Hope everyone has a great day!
I couldn't agree more. I think I have paid way too much for pins at times (based on emotion) and also gotten some fair prices occasionally. I wasn't trying to state my opinion about losing money, but rather that there are many out there who do try to see it as a zero-sum game or even try to make a profit.
I am definitely looking forward to getting one of these down the road... if not NIB, then at least a minty HUO.
Ok... the posts about getting to the Death Star exploding had me wondering one thing? Is this similar in any way to getting to DTR in LOTR? The light show and flipper craziness is one of my favorite things ever in pinball, but I've only done it like 3-4 times in the last year. Is it similar in difficulty to get to it? And is it similar in how the pin reacts once you do? If the answer is no for both, I can't help but think it's a lost opportunity... but admittedly I don't own SW yet so have very little clue about the overall rules and gameplay. Forgive me if this is like comparing apples and oranges... or Hobbits and Jedi.
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