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Stern Announces Star Wars Pinball

By NiftyLED

6 years ago


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Post #1883 Youtube link to IGN posted game release video Posted by FalconPunch (6 years ago)

Post #1911 Images of the Pro and Premium/LE Playfields Posted by Number41 (6 years ago)

Post #1914 feature matrix for Star Wars Posted by beatmaster (6 years ago)

Post #1919 Stern List Prices posted Posted by BillPinball (6 years ago)

Post #1931 Stern Press Photos of the game Posted by unigroove (6 years ago)

Post #1935 Stern Press photos of game Posted by unigroove (6 years ago)

Post #2024 freeze frame look at the death star lights Posted by tbanthony (6 years ago)

Post #2057 A quote on prices in US for Pro and Premiums Posted by Dr-Willy (6 years ago)

Post #2158 notes about game features and links to game play video Posted by Kiwipinhead (6 years ago)


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#460 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

» YouTube video

The youtube comments from hardcore Star Wars subscribers is even more revealing. Anyone who thinks the SW fans are going to be snapping this title up to round out their memorabilia collections might be in for a shock. Pinball just doesn't resonate with mainstream without proper marketing and after shoehorning a pinball machine quasi announcement onto the SW youtube channel the channel comments speak for themselves.

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Quoted from jar155:

Not mine, but I had to share...

They are REALLY similar. It's Spider-Man/Star Trek again.

Looks similar to Ritchie's first unreleased Avatar design to me.

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#479 6 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

The hosts set the tone for that by making pinball seem "uncool" because of their co-worker that has "8 pinballs, a couch, and a cat." Seemed like a bad idea from a show that's about selling Star Wars merchandise.

Stern needs to get on top of that if they ever want to expand sales and resonate with the mainstream consumer rather than just a small niche segment of the overall gaming market.

No doubt at some stage in the future we'll get a detailed review from dead flip, but the reality is in terms of market penetration -
SW official channel > Dead flip.

Really just another lost opportunity with a license that had guaranteed widespread appeal.

#1613 6 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Steve pretty much sums up my feelings here. It's hilarious seeing a thousand posts by people who care more about undercab lighting than actually playing whine about how bad a game is going to be based on some pictures.

If Steve thinks pinside is a cancer then clearly he has never been on AussieArsecade which has a reputation as the online impacted bowel of our hobby.

Given King Travvy's diet of Maccas and sedentary (lack of) lifestyle, my tip is not to be anywhere nearby when one of the regular calls for conscription goes out to the AA plebs for a round of oral colonic irrigation.

Quoted from kvan99:

It's a forum, it's for discussions, not circle jerks. We can't say anything negative without getting slapped. GoT was savaged because the art sucked man. This game is not that much better. News Flash: GB has issues, PF ghosting and chipping is a real thing. Incomplete code is a real concern. Peeling decals, dimpling, cash grabs..etc. Sorry but all legitimate topics of discussion in a pinball forum.
OBEY...CONSUME...SEND MONEY NOW!

Exactly. Better to have a forum where a variety of reasonable viewpoints from all aspects can be expressed without risk of sanctions and discussion has been censored for reasons of protection of commercial interests to the point of sterility like our local Aussie forums.

SW was never going to live up to expectations no matter what was included in the machine in terms of toys or features. Their biggest failure and my main complaint is with how it was handled from a marketing point of view.

What should have been an easy home run with a guaranteed hit that would resonate with not only the average SW fan but also the hardcore pinball community was instead included as a punchline on the most heavily subscribed dedicated Star Wars youtube channel and thereby severing any chance of widespread appeal outside of the primary pinball player community.

#1662 6 years ago
Quoted from zr11990:

Well sometimes I believe I am as well. No im not trying to be a moron or a asshole A dick or anything else. I had a few conversations with him after he was fired from Stern we talked about Spiderman and his other games. He told me that Spider-Man was so good because he was left alone and pretty much given free reign and that things were different when he was not. There were some other things said that I promised not to repeat. What I'm saying is that he is going to play up his games whether he feels it is one of his best or not for obvious reasons.
I do think SR is a very nice person. When I got my first motorcycle he emailed me about it with some good advice and told me to be careful.
Yes his games do sell well because Like pizza and sex, even it isn't the best it is still good

SR wrote a very incisive "mission statement" about Stern which he posted over on rgp back a few years ago around 2008/9? when Stern was at risk of becoming insolvent and he was made redundant.

It confirms what you have said and covers a lot of what you have alluded to including -

1. autocratic leadership at Stern.
2. the insistence of upper management in interfering at a minutiae level in the design process.
3. designs being conceived and built to a predetermined and non negotiable BOM.

Now that the economic fortunes have turned around for Stern it could be inferred given the recent vociferous defence of the latest title that it would now be in one's best interests not to shit in your own nest.

#2368 6 years ago
Quoted from InfiniteLives:

Laugh out loud at stern not allowing any gameplay footage to be filmed by Tim and Levi. Keep that PR train running at full steam at the wall

Code is probably at embryonic stage which video would easily reveal.

Sounds like B66 marketing strategy.

Get those global/domestic distro orders locked down before the word spreads about code development.

Our distributor for Australia has put down for an LE allocation of 80 units (more than the previous top order down under ACDC LE at 76) and is now doing the ringaround to find committed buyers for all of them.

#2594 6 years ago
Quoted from CobraClutch:

Did anyone else hear that "wah wah waaaah" sound in the background. Someone's ringtone was trolling Gary. Heard it after he mentions the game is "too much to describe". Heard it after "Hans".

There is another one right at the end of the interview when the last question was asked.

Who did the artwork?

GS: Oh various various artists do stuff for us. (Wah Wah Waaaah)

The timing was impeccable.

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#4086 6 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

What happend to stern video today. It got cut while gameplay. I loved the music. Nice lcd footage.
Star wars everywhere and a few twd.
They are producing alot of pro models. Geeeez.
But video is not on there page now, i wanted to rewatch it while brushing my teeth

They have altered the deal.

1 week later
#4925 6 years ago
Quoted from cooked71:

I've ordered a LE, but I can see both sides of this.
On face value the game, especially the pro, looks incredibly stripped down. All the shots are safe, with almost no randomized action. The pops are so contained and rarely used, they really have no purpose. There's no true interactive toy that "fights" back. As per the deadflip stream, it looks like a good player who can make shots on demand, can dominate the game.
On the flip side, the Star Wars theme, the music, the animations (ok they're not perfect yet), the sound effects, the apparently deep code, and the speed draw me in. And I'm hoping the hyper drive and exploding Death Star give the game the missing "wow" factor.
But on the pricing argument, I really question the notion that Stern are overpricing NIB games. How many competitors have been able to enter the market and successfully undercut them? Recent history is littered with companies who thought they could do it better and cheaper, but have failed. Chinese production aside, you might be able to do it better, but definitely not cheaper. NIB pricing is the way it is because that's what it costs to produce AND make a profit from an incredibly niche product that is very complicated to build, and is by definition still mostly "analogue" in nature.
You can argue that at current prices you can't justify or afford NIB games, but you can't argue Stern's mission is to fleece the market. I'm sure their mission is to be a profitable and sustainable pinball manufacturer. The 2 "competitors" have a long way to go to prove they are either profitable or sustainable.

Stern already has the infrastructure in place which negates any establishment startup costs. There are going to be very few startup companies able to undercut an established company which holds 95% of the market share and an effective monopoly on all the traditional supplier/distribution channels.

Unless that is you were prepared save costs in other areas such as moving your operations to a third world country and paying your assembly line the equivalent of slave wages (by Western standards).

Anyone who thinks that a bit of powdercoating, some leds and a colour display equates to a $4000 increase clearly has no idea because apart from that all the basic elements of a traditional pinball machine are still present with little change from the last 25 years.

They have no clear succession plan in place, their upper management are all past retirement age and their manufacturing philosophy is controlled by a third party entity with ROI as their primary objective. Of course milking the market for as much as they can and riding the wave while it lasts is the primary mission.

As long as Stern keeps throwing out the cheap grade birdseed and preaching to the aviary that this is the A grade product there will always be a percentage of parrots all too eager to keep squawking for more at ever increasing prices and ever diminishing quality standards.

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