Quoted from vid1900:

We looked at the Veil Nebula, Dumbbell, M57, Swan; all the stuff they said was a "must see" through such a large scope.

Quoted from vid1900:

It was insane.
We looked though some "binoviewers" that allow you to view with both eyes for a stereo effect.
It seems you **see** a lot more detail when you use both eyes.
We probably spent a hour observing different parts of the Veil, it had so much texture.

Quoted from Colsond3:

What I would expect from you...
And obviously. Do you really expect a guy that designed it and works for the company that's manufacturing it (and dumped A TON of cheddar on the licensing) to tweet "We actually are very unhappy with the SW game, but our hands were tied. This thing is in no way going to be as good as it could've been, but I'm sure people will fork over their money anyway. Pinside hit the nail on the head...what an amazing bunch of hobbyists!"
This is what happens when you allow leaks to happen with shitty photos, and you're designing a pin based on a franchise with millions of fans, and that has grossed over $20 billion over nearly 40 years since the original movie was released. You are open for criticism no matter what you do, unfortunately.
And frankly, his comment about Pinside and needing "meds" makes me not want to buy anything that pads his pockets. Without us, he wouldn't have a fuckin job. Sorry, but that comment was irritating. People on this site spent a lot of money on the games this guy designed, and will again.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Steve pretty much sums up my feelings here. It's hilarious seeing a thousand posts by people who care more about undercab lighting than actually playing whine about how bad a game is going to be based on some pictures.

Quoted from megadeth2600:

You can say that again. WOW. Not Lynda Carter, but WOW!

Quoted from smokedog:

How can you assign value to fun?
If the game was packed and had a huge BoM, but sucked and was no fun ...

Quoted from KozMckPinball:

What prices are you seeing?

Quoted from KozMckPinball:

Including shipping?

Quoted from MattS:

This all makes perfect sense from a business perspective and I agree 100%. BUT.....for most of us, pinball is not a business, it is a hobby and hobbies cost money.
It is interesting to me how this hobby has a different thought process then most other hobbies. Everyone (me included) would like to get most, if not all, of their money back when they sell a machine after playing it for X number of months/years. On used machines, sometimes you can find a deal that allows you to play it for months/years and make some money. NIB machines sometimes go up but that is rare and should never be counted on.
Almost all other hobbies where the actual item you "play with" guns, cars, motorcycles, etc. cost a significant amount of money compared to pinball. By cost, I mean when you sell the item, pinball machine, gun, car, etc.what was the cost of ownership vs the amount of fun you had with it.
Example: you buy a rifle, take it to the range a few times a month, and shoot a couple hundred rounds each trip. Range fee+ammo+targets+gas+travel time to the range = cost that you can never get back but you had fun. Value of the gun itself is probably similar to what you paid for it in most cases.
Cars : you like going to the track (dragstrip, road course, doesn't really matter) you will go through tires+brakes+fluid changes more often +gas +any mods you decide to do to make it faster/handle better+as a rule, most all cars depreciate at some level= costs that you can never get back but you had fun. The car will almost certainly be worth less than what you paid for it in most cases.
Pinball: plug it in and play it + mods if you want +little to no maintenance (on a new machine in the short term) = you had fun (assuming you liked the machine you bought) and sold it for a price lower that what you paid (remember, a pinball machine is not an investment) but you had fun, hopefully shared it with some friends, and start looking for your next machine.
The pinball machine will be worth close to what you paid for it, some cases more but I would never count on that. How do you put a value on the fun you have and the friends you make in this hobby?
SWLE is approximately $1200 more than a premium. Is it worth it? I don't know, haven't seen one in person but I like the pictures. Will I like the way it plays? I don't know, Jack Danger and crew sure made it look fun TO ME. Will I lose money if and when I decide to sell it? I don't know but I am excited to play it, I have been a Star Wars fan since I was a little kid so if it costs me money to find out, I am OK with that. My hope is that I love it and it stays in my collection for a long time.
With all this being said, am I happy about paying $8500 for it at this time? No. Do I feel BM66 SLE was worth $5000 more than the LE at this time? No. Will I continue to buy at these prices? Unsure at this time.
I am fortunate enough to be able to afford these machines and share them with as many friends as I can but I feel for the people that are being/have been priced out.
Sorry for the long winded post but I feel sometimes the greatness that is pinball as a hobby gets lost in the bickering over price and value. What has value to you, 90's Williams games for example, doesn't have value to me, I don't like playing most of them (not directed at anyone specific, just a general statement). That's what makes this hobby so great, there are enough choice out there to make everyone happy!
Hope everyone has a great day!

Quoted from TheBigDog:

My wife thinks I'm addicted to my AFMr, I told her at least it's not Porn.... is it?
I assured her that would all end next week, but didn't tell her that's because my SWLE will be here on Monday. Anyone have an extra dog house?