I was interested in BM66 but passed. For now, I think Dialed In will be getting my NIB 2017 bucks anyway.
Quoted from GotAQuestion:
Isoquants and Isocosts. I would bet that Stern has not only "looked at the market", but made graphs, projections, and a whole lot of pretty charts showing that this is the way to profit.
Companies make decisions on one thing and one thing alone, dollar signs.
No decision is a blind guess. It's all based in cold hard data.
No doubt. That said, it is not long term thinking. They will only grow the market with good entry point pricing to start/entice new collectors coming in. Maybe I'm wrong and their home model spider man for $3,800 will attract entree level people...maybe.
Quoted from GotAQuestion:
People asked for a $4,000 game. Spider Man Home Edition is what $4,000 worth of game gets you. From what I hear, the $4,000-ish HomePin early reception is that it feels cheap too. In allllllllllll my other hobbies there's a familiar saying - "you get what you pay for". I'm not surprised the budget games feels like budget games.
Quoted from TRAMD:
Stern has kept this game alive for the past few years and they deserve some ******* respect for doing so.
I hear you and do respect Stern on many levels. That said at that some point they need to respect the customer base to though, I don't feel valued by them right now.
Needs a real skill shot. Do or die multi ball needs to be made somewhat attainable. Needs work on the multi ball. Just minor stuff but it needs it.
Quoted from Astropin:
Those things would make it better......but it doesn't need them. As is it's one of my all time favorites.
The do or die multiball is the biggest problem. I've never even seen it; it is not attainable except for the literally the upper upper echelon of player (top 100 quality player).
I've been to Sperm Attack on FGY, twice. Totally different level of player needed for Do or Die Multiball. Same with Valinor on LOTR's. You can just increase the number of balls to five on LOTR's and a solid player that knows the game will eventually get to Valinor with a couple dozen attempts. That just won't happen on IM with Do or Die MB...
Anyway, why not just adjust the settings to reduce the number of drones you need? That's the big problem on IM...if someone likes it the way it is and never wants to see the mode they can leave the settings alone, but give us mere mortals an option to reduce the number of drones we need...or some other adjustment.
Quoted from DaveH:
I love my IM. I probably play it the most out of all my games. But I can't imagine Stern taking the time to crack it open and update it. From a business perspective updating that might make 20 people that care happier, and would piss off WAY more than that who are rightfully bitching about things like cities in KISS. Updating IM would make other customers even madder. That is the bigger impediment.
It would show people that Stern will still support a game even six years after release (if it's still been in recent production and sold well) and want to deliver a high quality product. This doesn't hurt them, it's just a minor polish.
Obviously I agree Kiss is a bigger priority but that doesn't mean spending a day on IM code to get tiny tweeks in is a bad business move. Just my two cents.
Quoted from RobT:
Completely irrelevant to the part of your post that I disagreed with.
Not at all. My point is DoDMB is a different level of challenge than the others identified by Rare Hero (I have no idea about TSPP).
Put a top 500 IFPA player on LOTRs on five balls and take the 40 hours it'll take to watch them play a couple dozen games and see how deep they get. Wizard on LOTRs is not a unicorn, many people do get there, DoDMB is a different story.
Quoted from docquest:
Just because says the MSRP of a game went up doesnt mean the distributor will sell it for that price. With the exception of a high demand LE model who pays MSRP anyways?
Stern now mandates the floor the dealers can sell for and mandate that no add ons like a free shaker motor can be used as incentives (the floor is still below MSRP, so your point is not entirely incorrect but presumably the minimum sale price floor goes up with the MSRP increase).
Quoted from docquest:
I dont see how thats gonna work with older titles that arent selling like WWE. Distibutors dont have unlimited warehouse space, when things dont sell the price has to come down.
Presumably the dealership agreement has clauses for what is considered dealer stock and what isn't and perhaps once a game goes out of production or X months after dealer purchase pass the item can be treated however the dealer wants subject to warranty requirements.
Quoted from Zitt:
This is sad... it means seeing new titles at TPF'2017 (pinball shows) is going to be a challenge. Even more so as this pricing continues.
Just so I understand the point you are making: it will be a bigger challenge because the local distributors that normally bring the games will be less inclined to bring and unbox them at the shows since they will cost more and are become a higher dollar item?
Sadly I think that will result in a wipe out of the manufacturers (most of them anyway), none of us know what Stern's margins might be but I'm guessing they are not as high as many may feel they are (at least on pro models). Would Stern stay around if they had to make pros for $1,000 less retail?
I think we have another year or two of the pin boom. Pinball will have a bigger problem when there is an economic crisis in the US and thus far it looks like 2017 will be a pretty good year (granted that can change quickly).
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