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Stern announces another price increase- TELL THEM NO!


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    #501 2 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    This is what makes reruns so lucrative.

    So you have access to Stern's books? If not, your entire rant is just BS that you pulled out your butt.

    #502 2 years ago
    Quoted from shacklersrevenge:

    IM rules are similar to Avatar. I've done both do or die and Final Battle on Avatar a few times. I prefer Avatar though, I think it's the better game and the scoring is more balanced.

    Do or Die Multiball ≠ Do or Die

    shacklersrevenge
    If you played in a way that you were trying to get to Do or Die, I'd guess you'd get there every 2 to 5 games on anything other than the most brutally set up IM.

    If you played in a way that you were trying to get to Do or Die Multiball, you might never get there.

    #503 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    It would show people that Stern will still support a game even six years after release (if it's still been in recent production and sold well) and want to deliver a high quality product. This doesn't hurt them, it's just a minor polish.
    Obviously I agree Kiss is a bigger priority but that doesn't mean spending a day on IM code to get tiny tweeks in is a bad business move. Just my two cents.

    They have so many games right now that are fundamentally broken, full of bugs or missing features ...Iron Man is solid and complete. Those other games problems are much higher priority than "issues" like a skill shot you don't like or a wizard mode you can't reach.

    #504 2 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    If you conservatively take this into account you must decrease actual profit margin decreases to around 20% which equates to roughly $1600 per machine.
    If a person wants to do the research and understand the industry, they can find the data.
    The true benefit of maximizing profit margins with any title is the ability to produce and sell the maximum number of units under the provisions of the license, which is the same for any marketed product.
    This is what makes reruns so lucrative.

    I think it's funny you find %20 lucrative

    #505 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I've been to Sperm Attack on FGY, twice. Totally different level of player needed for Do or Die Multiball. Same with Valinor on LOTR's. You can just increase the number of balls to five on LOTR's and a solid player that knows the game will eventually get to Valinor with a couple dozen attempts.

    Huh?

    Sorry, I have to completely disagree with this. Increasing the number of balls to 5 on LOTR means that a solid player will get to Valinor with a couple dozen attempts?! Really?

    I don't think so. Not even close. Makes me wonder how familiar you really are with this pin?

    #506 2 years ago
    Quoted from shacklersrevenge:

    IM rules are similar to Avatar. I've done both do or die and Final Battle on Avatar a few times. I prefer Avatar though, I think it's the better game and the scoring is more balanced.

    Me thinks you are talking about regular ol DoD......not DoD multiball.

    I only know one person who got there and his game was not factory (outlanes on tightest setting). I know of ZERO people who've gotten there on factory settings. Not saying it's never been done but I would think it would have been big news around here if it had.

    #507 2 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    Huh?
    Sorry, I have to completely disagree with this. Increasing the number of balls to 5 on LOTR means that a solid player will get to Valinor with a couple dozen attempts?! Really?
    I don't think so. Not even close. Makes me wonder how familiar you really are with this pin?

    Had LOTR for eight years and single games the lasted up to two hours......never got there.

    #508 2 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    It is roughly $4500 based on materials and workmanship.
    However, this considers that a game has at least a production run of 1000 machines, anything less significantly hinders the actual ability for a manufacturer to produce profit.
    This also considers existing arrangements and contracts with parts suppliers, as this company is not "starting from scratch".
    This means Stern is grossing at least 35-40% gross profit margin, not considering overheads, initial development cost (including specialization design for parts and artwork), or oddity problems with licensing.
    If you conservatively take this into account you must decrease actual profit margin decreases to around 20% which equates to roughly $1600 per machine.
    If a person wants to do the research and understand the industry, they can find the data.
    The true benefit of maximizing profit margins with any title is the ability to produce and sell the maximum number of units under the provisions of the license, which is the same for any marketed product.
    This is what makes reruns so lucrative.

    I'm not sure I buy this... but you seemed convinced you know. Could you please break down how you got to these numbers? Some specifics on costs would be nice.

    #509 2 years ago
    Quoted from JY64:

    I think it's funny you find %20 lucrative

    I wouldn't get out of bed for less than 30%.

    #510 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    Had LOTR for eight years and single games the lasted up to two hours......never got there.

    That dont sound like much fun.... 2 hours? Wow

    #511 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    Had LOTR for eight years and single games the lasted up to two hours......never got there.

    Exactly.

    Eskaybee is one of the best players that I know. He had his LOTR for 7 years. I think he got down to the last shot to start Valinor twice and he drained both times.

    He and I did get to Valinor, but on a pin that had a loose tilt and the outlane posts in the most closed position. But even with those settings, it took me almost a year to get there.

    #512 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I've been to Sperm Attack on FGY, twice. Totally different level of player needed for Do or Die Multiball. Same with Valinor on LOTR's. You can just increase the number of balls to five on LOTR's and a solid player that knows the game will eventually get to Valinor with a couple dozen attempts. That just won't happen on IM with Do or Die MB...
    Anyway, why not just adjust the settings to reduce the number of drones you need? That's the big problem on IM...if someone likes it the way it is and never wants to see the mode they can leave the settings alone, but give us mere mortals an option to reduce the number of drones we need...or some other adjustment.

    Plenty of earnable extra balls on LOTR. Setting it to 5 balls is unnecessary.

    Reaching Valinor is way easier than DoDMB. Which is one of the big issues with IM-lack of earnable extra balls w/o using scoring tiers.

    Also, I don't know of any setting to decrease the drone requirement.

    #513 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    Me thinks you are talking about regular ol DoD......not DoD multiball.
    I only know one person who got there and his game was not factory (outlanes on tightest setting). I know of ZERO people who've gotten there on factory settings. Not saying it's never been done but I would think it would have been big news around here if it had.

    One guy posted a video reaching it, but it was not factory settings. Still was pretty impressive to reach it IMO.

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    #514 2 years ago

    I'm sure Stern wants to offer a great product at a great price. They must be doing something right to be backordered on virtually everything they continue producing. Supply and demand will drive pricing.

    2010 - iPhone 4 32GB $299
    2016 - iPhone 7 32GB $649

    #515 2 years ago
    Quoted from stevevt:

    Do or Die Multiball ≠ Do or Die
    shacklersrevenge
    If you played in a way that you were trying to get to Do or Die, I'd guess you'd get there every 2 to 5 games on anything other than the most brutally set up IM.
    If you played in a way that you were trying to get to Do or Die Multiball, you might never get there.

    Hmm.. going to say not 100% sure, though now I want an Iron Man to do this if I haven't, it's been years. I have beaten Metallica and beaten Portal in Tron. I've heard a whisper or two of people doing end of the line, haven't heard of anyone else beating Portal.

    #516 2 years ago
    Quoted from PinballCompany:

    I'm sure Stern wants to offer a great product at a great price. They must be doing something right to be backordered on virtually everything they continue producing. Supply and demand will drive pricing.
    2010 - iPhone 4 32GB $299
    2016 - iPhone 7 32GB $649

    Problem with this analysis is simple- the technology and what you are getting on the phone is 2016 is significantly advanced. The 2016 pin is cheaper and behind that of the 2010 because of cost cutting.

    Imagine if the iphone released in 2016 was less advanced than the 2010, with cheaper frame, glass, etc. The world would have come to an end.

    #517 2 years ago
    Quoted from bigd1979:

    That dont sound like much fun.... 2 hours? Wow

    That is why it's gone.

    Quoted from pinballcorpse:

    One guy posted a video reaching it, but it was not factory settings. Still was pretty impressive to reach it IMO.

    That's the one guy I was referring to.

    #518 2 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    He and I did get to Valinor, but on a pin that had a loose tilt and the outlane posts in the most closed position. But even with those settings, it took me almost a year to get there.

    How many times have you or ESKB been to DoDMB?

    #519 2 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    It is roughly $4500 based on materials and workmanship.
    However, this considers that a game has at least a production run of 1000 machines, anything less significantly hinders the actual ability for a manufacturer to produce profit.
    This also considers existing arrangements and contracts with parts suppliers, as this company is not "starting from scratch".
    This means Stern is grossing at least 35-40% gross profit margin, not considering overheads, initial development cost (including specialization design for parts and artwork), or oddity problems with licensing.
    If you conservatively take this into account you must decrease actual profit margin decreases to around 20% which equates to roughly $1600 per machine.
    If a person wants to do the research and understand the industry, they can find the data.
    The true benefit of maximizing profit margins with any title is the ability to produce and sell the maximum number of units under the provisions of the license, which is the same for any marketed product.
    This is what makes reruns so lucrative.

    No way the BOM or labor cost is anywhere close to $4500

    #520 2 years ago
    Quoted from JY64:

    I think it's funny you find %20 lucrative

    I will further explain industrial profit margins.
    Education is helpful in making good decisions, so I am trying assist people here that may not understand what is going on.
    I am basing values on a current considering of a $8000 MSRP for a Premium example, which is a little higher than most NIB previous titles, but is useful in percentage calculations for an even number instead of "$7299" or something similar. This does not consider any actual "deals" or distributor discounts.

    The percentage is based off the baseline MSRP calculation and large ticket items, not TV sets or iPhones. I am not talking about the percentage of profit over production cost, but a cut percentage of a listed MSRP. There is a huge difference. It makes it easier for consumers to understand because that is what they are used to seeing "in the wild". People in market advertising think in reverse basing profits purely based on raw construction construction costs which is why people may think 20% is small. However, this does not include a comprehensive perspective.

    If I speak in only percentage over construction, it may confuse people.
    This standard in the latter is based on construction costs only, and is not the way operation managers think in terms of developing streamlined production.
    I am not trying to provide an entire industrial production class in a simple post.

    20% is not the profit margin for reruns of a product. This was only the estimated initial profit margin as the product rolls off the line. In this you have to consider production efficiency and effectiveness. On thing that should be noted is pinball remains niched, a luxury, and specialized. This prohibits higher profit margins than those found in other industries. There are only a handful that are comparable, some that charge enormous sums of money for products.

    The profit margin for reruns or continued production of a product will increase over time until it reaches a cap based on reductions of mass ordering materials, labor, and streamlined construction. That is the "lucrative" factor with more expensive high end consumer products (or any marketed product). However, unlike other pinball products of the past, Stern's "modular" construction program in the assembly line has allowed production overhead costs to be reduced. If a manufacturer did not calculate this profit percentage prior to the start of production, they never make the game in the first place. It makes no sense to have a profit margin lower than 20% because with consumer products of this nature, the manufacturer assumes a huge risk in development costs.

    In the long term, there is no way to directly calculate an increasing direct profit margin over time of a MSRP based on experience of workers without being on the factory floor. Essentially this is a time efficiency based calculation based on part of the management, but is is very important in determining all sorts of factors beyond just profit margins, but also the success of the manufacturer. Additional considerations are parts reduction costs based on additional mass ordering, and others. Rarely however does this percentage exceed 35-40%, which is extremely high for expensive ticket items.
    iPhones are not pinball machines. There is too much hands on assembly to create them, which is a very important differentiation from many modern electronics. Also, there are simply too many variables, especially if market sales become saturated and sales drop as a result. You also have to consider introduced competing products, which causes changes in price simultaneously and will effect the percentage, if nothing is done to offset.
    This means you are constantly evaluating necessary changes.
    Stern is doing this very well, and have a dedicated small team to evaluating the market.
    WMS from the old days went a different direction, they simply diversified their investments in order to offset any losses and stuck to their guns of the old pinball "one run and done" productions except for a few rare exceptions.

    The best example of late based on Stern would be MET, as they renewed their license for the machine for continued production now preparing to enter its 4th year.
    Rarely do you see any product produced consecutively without significant changes to "feed the need" of the consumer for improvements.
    Quite a substantial achievement for a small company such as Stern.

    People can point fingers at everybody else for increasing prices, but the reality is simply look in the mirror.
    It is not just the uninformed new buyers that are stumbling over themselves for new titles.
    There are in some cases very affluent older collectors that don't care what the price is overall, they just accept it as a choice.
    I have several pinball collector friends where money is never an object of conjecture.
    I certainly have my choices, hence I have my own pinball goals.
    "Just because you have the means to buy the games new, does not mean you should."
    You can have a pretty nice collection of machines, if you stay away from hype.

    If you wondering why some companies succeed and some fail based on marketed products that initially sell well, look to these areas for answers. Eventually you have to become an expert at determining these factors when times or the economy is lean. Stern learned important experience in the mid 2000s, and recently reformatted their factory regarding QI/QM.
    If they had not made changes, they would not be producing games now, and we would not be talking about Stern anyway.

    One company in the pinball world does not understand this information very well at all, and will most likely be gone before the end of 2017.
    They also have not been able to grow fast enough to meet the demands of consumers, nor provide the "released" product in a timely manner regardless of promises.
    That is the industry, as has occurred many times in the past regarding pinball.
    You have to "strike when the iron is hot" if you want to capitalize on any buzz generated, not 1-2 years later, if at all.
    PPS for example made a smart move by not "releasing" the preproduction announcement of AFMr, as it was not the right time to do so in the changing market conditions.
    When the time is right, they will do so.
    Until you see a major breakout of pinball into mainstream America and the world (the "chicken in every pot" analogy), prices will always be in flux and not stabilized.
    This is hard for me to happening in overseas markets right now for pinball, as the NIB prices are just too damn high for either the average collector or operators to purchase.
    Hence, there is never been any significant pinball appraisers that have ever existed in this market.
    As a result, manufacturers will continue to charge whatever they want, regardless of actual game value.

    My primary background is engineering, operations management, and manufacturing process efficiency evaluation all of which is used to increase the effectiveness of production. This is the baseline for some of the discussion, and the rest is based my internal interests of the pinball market/industry, evaluation consideration for pinball collection/ownership, advisory status, and experience.

    The one primary benefit that would help the market in the LONG term is everybody owns a pinball machine in their home.
    I think every enthusiast would smile about that aspect.

    #521 2 years ago

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    #522 2 years ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    The best example of late based on Stern would be MET, as they renewed their license for the machine for continued production now preparing to enter its 5th year. Quite a substantial achievement.

    I am pretty sure it debuted in 2013. Making it entering year 4. Still impressive. And now the premium costs more than the LE did.

    #523 2 years ago
    Quoted from robotronjohn:

    I am pretty sure it debuted in 2013. Making it entering year 4. Still impressive. And now the premium costs more than the LE did.

    You are correct, my error.
    Edited.

    Initial production of MET was initiated in APR 2013.
    As of APR 2017, MET will started into its commemoration of its 4th year.
    This was relevant as the license was set to expire in early summer.

    What may be interesting is this particular title may eclipse TSPP, LOTR, or SM in production numbers.
    However, it has a long way to go to currently overtake LOTR.
    Surprising to see that the market is not saturated and backorders remain.

    The game variants alone on this title are confusing to some people and very hard to keep track of production numbers.
    MET Pro, MET Pro LED, MET Premium, MET Premium Road Case, MET Premium Monster, MET Premium Dirty Donny, and Limited Edition.
    That is seven different versions, and the later versions of the same variations were all the updated backbox design and speaker panel.
    If you add those to the list, you have at least one more variation, maybe two.

    Certainly, the record for Stern in that area for the past 15 years.

    -1
    #524 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    How many times have you or ESKB been to DoDMB?

    Completely irrelevant to the part of your post that I disagreed with.

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    #525 2 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    Completely irrelevant to the part of your post that I disagreed with.

    Not at all. My point is DoDMB is a different level of challenge than the others identified by Rare Hero (I have no idea about TSPP).

    Put a top 500 IFPA player on LOTRs on five balls and take the 40 hours it'll take to watch them play a couple dozen games and see how deep they get. Wizard on LOTRs is not a unicorn, many people do get there, DoDMB is a different story.

    #526 2 years ago

    Yes, technology in electronics advances but the inflation adjusted cost generally stays about the same. The outliers are products that have incredible demand = pricing power. iPhone was just one example. If you own a manufacturing company and can't keep up with demand, you raise prices. The Pinside community has a voice. But it is getting drowned out by the one percenters who are buying Sterns and are a lot less price sensitive.

    #527 2 years ago

    I had read that existing titles in distributor's inventory, will be going up in price because of Stern.

    It would be cruel if Wrestlemania was subjected to this.

    #528 2 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    It would be cruel if Wrestlemania was subjected to this.

    Confirmed, its on the way up. Must be all the labor for the new code updates coming out in January causing this. Updating all those back titles to make them code complete costs money.

    #529 2 years ago

    Bumping up prices on games already off the production line and shipped out to distributors is ridiculous

    #530 2 years ago

    Get your games before the new year guys

    #531 2 years ago

    Next thing you'll know Stern will increase the machines you play on the 'Stern Pinball Arcade' app. I better buy the games now before they go up to $25.00 or even $50.00.

    #532 2 years ago
    Quoted from PinballCompany:

    The Pinside community has a voice. But it is getting drowned out by the one percenters who are buying Sterns and are a lot less price sensitive.

    Increasing prices of NiB over the past 4 years combined with a weak currency against the USD hurts for sure. This goes for all NiB manufacturers, not just Stern.

    Also, shouldn't we look in the mirror a bit as well? Older machines have gone up the same or higher. And these are private sales ... no over head, no employees to pay, no profit margins to maintain. Just pure profit and greed.

    Buy an Addams Family for $3k four years ago, and sell for $6K today.

    Supply and demand.

    #533 2 years ago
    Quoted from smokedog:

    Increasing prices of NiB over the past 4 years combined with a weak currency against the USD hurts for sure. This goes for all NiB manufacturers, not just Stern.
    Also, shouldn't we look in the mirror a bit as well? Older machines have gone up the same or higher. And these are private sales ... no over head, no employees to pay, no profit margins to maintain. Just pure profit and greed.
    Buy an Addams Family for $3k four years ago, and sell for $6K today.
    .

    I agree with you, but I think the effect we are seeing on private sale prices is in direct relation to new pin prices.

    If the sellers of older pins are looking to purchase a NIB then they probably need to make a little extra cash on the game/s they are selling to then spend on a newer game, which are now priced higher, baring in mind there are more new games to choose from, being offered by more manufacturers than ever so the temptation is far greater to get a shiny fresh smelling NIB.

    I wouldn't rule out that some of the sales prices out there are out of greed, but I would bet a larger percentage are trying to sell on older titles at higher prices to afford newer games which are priced higher than ever.

    #534 2 years ago

    I wonder if this will cause 90s Data East and Sega pins to go up in price.

    #535 2 years ago
    Quoted from shacklersrevenge:

    ...haven't heard of anyone else beating Portal

    i know almost 3 others guys :

    my son did it (most funny its was not on our pinball home, but at the NEDERLANDS DPO in 2014)
    hassanshop did it
    and roy wills did it

    for sure, there're lots of others

    #536 2 years ago

    That's total BS right there, raising all prices of distributors inventory. If it was produced prior to the new year and price increase it should be at the old price. I'm done buying NIB from Stern. Good luck buddy!

    #537 2 years ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Bumping up prices on games already off the production line and shipped out to distributors is ridiculous

    See: ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Petroleum, Amarada Hess, BP, Arco, Unocal etc.....

    #538 2 years ago

    Btw, Blackknight there is no way Stern's cost on a premium is that high. On a few occasions other pinsiders have enumerated the cost breakdown...IIRC the Pro came to $1200-1500 bucks. The Premium should have what, about $200 Dollars worth of bling over the Pro. I don't even think the BM66 SLE cost them $4500 to make.

    #539 2 years ago

    No way I'd buy a NIB from Stern until they get their quality issues corrected and stop gouging everyone with their price increases.

    #540 2 years ago
    Quoted from smokedog:

    Buy an Addams Family for $3k four years ago, and sell for $6K today.

    TAF was not 3k in 2012/2013. I'd have one if it was. The popular (4k+) 90's games have gone up about $500-1000 since 2012.

    #541 2 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    I had read that existing titles in distributor's inventory, will be going up in price because of Stern.
    It would be cruel if Wrestlemania was subjected to this.

    Quoted from JimB:

    Confirmed, its on the way up. Must be all the labor for the new code updates coming out in January causing this. Updating all those back titles to make them code complete costs money.

    If that's true then a lot of distributors are going to be sitting on a lot of unsold Wrestlemania's.

    #542 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    If that's true then a lot of distributors are going to be sitting on a lot of unsold Wrestlemania's.

    You can see the end of NIB binge buying

    #543 2 years ago
    Quoted from musketd:

    Get your games before the new year guys

    No.

    The most "recent" Stern game in my collection now is Metallica: Master of Puppets LE...it was $6800 shipped, NIB. Nothing they've made since has been as good...and while that game had design and code growing pains, it has since become a masterpiece. I don't think anything they've done since then can claim that. So - no, I won't buy inferior games at inflated prices before the prices inflate again.

    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    I had read that existing titles in distributor's inventory, will be going up in price because of Stern.
    It would be cruel if Wrestlemania was subjected to this.

    LOL, that makes sense...Wrestlemania's that weren't selling will go from not selling to...not selling?

    #544 2 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    See: ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Petroleum, Amarada Hess, BP, Arco, Unocal etc.....

    They all make pins?

    I honestly don't see how price increases of a luxury non essential item in a niche market can compare to those of a product that is constantly in demand, used daily by billions and that the worlds infrastructure is built around/dependant on, unless I have totally missed the point, and it was a late night last night so there is every chance

    #545 2 years ago
    Quoted from jackofdiamonds:

    I wonder if this will cause 90s Data East and Sega pins to go up in price.

    You know that's already happened

    If I could find a Robocop or time machine for $1500 I'd be thrilled.

    #546 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    If that's true then a lot of distributors are going to be sitting on a lot of unsold Wrestlemania's.

    Just because says the MSRP of a game went up doesnt mean the distributor will sell it for that price. With the exception of a high demand LE model who pays MSRP anyways?

    For games already in a distributors stock they sell them for whatever they want. They already paid for them. Just like a car dealer, If the games dont sell then the price will come down eventually.

    #547 2 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    TAF was not 3k in 2012/2013. I'd have one if it was. The popular (4k+) 90's games have gone up about $500-1000 since 2012.

    I'm pretty sure I know how much I paid for every machine I've purchased.

    #548 2 years ago
    Quoted from docquest:

    Just because says the MSRP of a game went up doesnt mean the distributor will sell it for that price. With the exception of a high demand LE model who pays MSRP anyways?

    Stern now mandates the floor the dealers can sell for and mandate that no add ons like a free shaker motor can be used as incentives (the floor is still below MSRP, so your point is not entirely incorrect but presumably the minimum sale price floor goes up with the MSRP increase).

    #549 2 years ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Stern now mandates the floor the dealers can sell for and mandate that no add ons like a free shaker motor can be used as incentives (the floor is still below MSRP, so your point is not entirely incorrect but presumably the minimum sale price floor goes up with the MSRP increase).

    Confirmed by JJ at Gex. Floor is being raised across the board, including dealer stock

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    #550 2 years ago

    I'll believe this thread when I actually see it happen. Stern has:

    taken a game from 2007, added $3k to the price it was selling for back then, and people still bought it
    took full featured games and start selling them for $2k more (premiums)
    taken years to finish the code on almost every game
    had quality and cheapening issues

    Yet people just line up to buy over and over. People say they're not going to buy anymore but tons of people in this thread have Ghostbusters when all of these issues have been going on for 5+ years. I don't believe that people aren't going to keep buying when Star Wars comes out...unfinished code, high priced, more cost cutting, etc won't matter, IT'S STAR WARS!!!! MUST HAVE NOW!!!!

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    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 68.00
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 48.00
    Cabinet - Other
    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 7,499.00
    Pinball Machine
    Operation Pinball
    $ 35.00
    Hardware
    Filament Printing
    £ 39.00
    Lighting - Led
    PinballToys
    $ 16.95
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    ULEKstore
    $ 40.99
    Lighting - Interactive
    Lee's Parts
    $ 159.99
    Lighting - Other
    Lighted Pinball Mods
    $ 7.50
    Playfield - Decals
    Doc's Pinball Shop
    $ 48.00
    Cabinet - Other
    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 38.00
    Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
    ModFather Pinball Mods
    $ 135.00
    Cabinet - Shooter Rods
    Super Skill Shot Shop
    $ 90.00
    Lighting - Under Cabinet
    Rock Custom Pinball
    $ 6,995.00
    Pinball Machine
    Nitro Pinball Shop
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