This seems doesn't seem like a very good license to me. Have a hard time believing it's for real.

Well, I'm still outraged.

The RUNDMC version is BETTER than the original. And it wasn't a sellout, at the time it was actually a daring and pioneering collaboration.

You are completely wrong about RUNDMC. They knew about the aerosmith song as they had rapped over the breakbeat many times. DMC thought the name of the band was "Toys in the Attic." And yeah, it was Rubin's idea. A great idea, which he had a lot of back then.

I don't really know how a corporate rock juggnernaught like Aerosmith - who had already sold out with a reunion tour a couple years earlier despite the fact that they hated each other and were not yet sober - sold out with the RUNDMC thing. Aerosmith have always been sellouts and were desperate to become huge again. The RUNDMC thing helped drag them out of the gutter and make it happen.

It is pretty funny seeing the reactions on this, and that not much has really changed since it came out...it was well documented at the time that people were PISSED about the remake. Old white rock fans mostly, especially in Boston. So the radio stations all stopped playing it because their old white listeners were all pissed. Until of course everybody started begging them to play it again.

I prefer the remake as it's much more interesting and higher energy.

They were familiar with the song. Not sure what the difference is.

And your ton loc analogy is terrible. They "knew" (in the biblical sense) "Walk this way" before recording the cover version.

Wild Thing was recorded after Jamie's Cryin.

Not sure what the history of the song has to do with the quality of it. A lot of stuff RUNDMC did want to do, like their 1990 album Back in Hell, was absolutely terrible.

Rubin had a great idea and the execution was stellar, which is why the 1987 version of Walk This Way is now the definitive version. In fact when Aerosmith plays it today, that's the version they do.

Guy was a hit factory, and at one point did a lot of fantastic work. These days he sucks ass and is a terrible producer. For many acts he's barely in the room these days and his underlings do most of the "producing."

Could Derek riggs even do that, legally?

I don't think so. He's out of the maiden game and not on friendly terms with the band.

Not sure if you realize this but pinball machines aren't cars and your "cargument" is a bit of a fallacy. Your false analogy makes no sense.

Yeah yeah everybody is an expert.

Stern is rolling out Batman66. They are "teasing" Aerosmith. These guys know what they are doing. What would a full, 10 Megapixel photospread official release today of Aerosmith really do for them? They are already selling 5 other games right now.

They'll get just as much "community" buzz with a few crappy pictures from the show.

Pinside = It's both the most awesome thing and the shittiest thing I've ever seen!

LOL@ the elevator, that's cute. Looks cool to me can't wait to play it. Very reminiscent of KISS.

Yep. With a ripoff of the WOZ upper playfield on the premium.

I don't really care about this shit anymore. There's only so many ways to lay out elements on a playfield and they've all been used in the last 50 years. This game looks like a fun game in the Metallica/Kiss vein.

old news bro. It's out now.

And another game with some LE features/miniplayfield just crowbared in. Looks another winner Pro to me. At this point the LE/Premium buyers are subsidizing the pros for everybody else.

Uh-oh...and the upset special...

Sparky 2 dumps 6 balls at once like the IJ ark. Cause we all loved IJ so much!

I kid I kid! Well I don't. But I Kid!

It's Aero-IJ-Kiss-Woz!

Oh shit!

I can't wait to view it and bitch about it. Heading over there now...

OK.

Do YOU love that shit?

LCD stuff looks good in the video. The band reminds me of Simpsons Aerosmith lol

60 years of playing pinball will do that for ya.

It's been said but there's only so much shit you can do. And if you go completely off the reservation like Baby Pacman or Pin2K - or Woz for that matter - it usually kinda sucks.

Is this real or made up?

So the meltdown thread last month was because prices are going up $200?

Jeez. That's not a big deal, especially considering everybody gets the LCD screen they've been lusting after for all these years.

I would disagree with this. I don't know what an "italian bottom is" exactly - at least outside a gay bar - but there are actually VERY FEW variations on the lower playfield that are any good. That's why Steve Ritchie games are always the same down there. Don't get cute - messing around down there can easily ruin a game.

Hope no more. It was posted like 5 pages ago.

You are surprised? They sold like 20 of those and never even bothered finishing it up.

People love tight, hot Italian bottoms. There's a reason the vast majority of pinball machines made in the last 30 years are like that - it's what players like.

These wacky arrangements don't work well with ramp games, which is exactly why they disappeared.

When they try it nowadays it sucks. I know WOZ has it's fans but I didn't like the layout at all. And pretty much everybody hated WOF when it came out.

Stern is doing the right thing. Keep it simple down low like the players like it.

I hate the stupid ball save games on the right and left. The game would just be better with a NORMAL inalne/outlane layout.

And ok...I'll finally bite, and not just because I think it's hilarious that people keep saying "Italian Bottom" as if they are liberace placing a craigslist personals ad.

Why do they call it that?! The Italians invented it? I have Gottlieb games from the 1960s with that arrangement.

Playing one first is way overrated. I've bought 100 pinball machines I've never played. Nobody who buys a Stern pro is gonna lose more than a few hundred bucks selling a HUO game that they decided they don't like.

Pre-ordering provides a rush of endorphins for people - a sense of ownership of something that can't actually be possessed. It will never stop.

The game has stupid greedy outlanes and the reward is getting to play these tedious ball-save games.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Game would just be better with a regular layout.

And is nobody gonna explain this "italian bottom" thing to me? If you are gonna keep saying it you should know what it means and where it comes from. Was Ed Krinski Italian?!

No shit. This is what I've been saying in all the price whine threads. You want to spend $8000-12000 for a JJP game? You want to spend $7000 on a spooky game, or $8000 for a Lebowski?

Good luck with all of that. Stern is selling REAL pinball machines designed by the best in the biz - not amateurs - for $5000 or so just like they have been, but people want to somehow claim it's a slap in the face or there are "better options."

Not on new pins there aren't.

I don't think I missed the point. The last whineathon was a simple "Stern is raising prices across the board - it's the apocalypse" thread. Wasn't about Batman, was about the coming price increases.

Which turned out to be $200. Big f'n deal.

But hey, for just $100 more you can get a Domino's!

LOL @ at the suggestion that David Lee Roth is straight in 2017. Although I guess you didn't really suggest that implicitly.

It would never be a mass produced but I'd love a boutique to Tap Into America.

Innovation in pinball almost is always completely overrated and unnecessary. You must be a big Pin2K fan.

In the end, GB's magna slings were just replacing an Eisenhower-era pinball feature that everybody knew and loved and replacing it with something less predictable, not as good, and not as fair. That's why most players don't like it. This is how most "innovation" on pinball - which has been humming along predictably and reliably for almost 70 years now - is going to be accepted. Innovation is not why people like pinball - that's pretty much contrary to the whole point. The most important "innovations" in pinball since flippers, and I guess ramps, have been in display technology, rulesets, and of course internal operator stuff that enhances the operating and service aspects of pinball, not playing.

If you REALLY thirst for "innovation," you should find a new hobby. Pinball isn't about innovation, it's about pinball, and basically being the same thing decade after decade. That's why people like it.

No that's not what I'm saying.

Oh wait, it is. Pretty clearly and obviously - I'm stupified that you are asking me to explain what I wrote again. Pinball didn't need stupid shit like color changing LEDs And I included "ramps" and "display tech" in my very brief paragraph which you obviously didn't bother to read. Pinball has really changed very little in decades, and it doesn't need to change. People who want something that isn't pinball should find another hobby besides pinball.

Then why are you complaining about lack of innovation? You are contradicting yourself.

The difference between Batman and say, T2, is very, very tiny. And that's after 27 years of "innovation."

If innovation is your thing, find a new hobby.

If you read my description you'd know that what I have posted here as my "collection" means nothing. I own dozens of different games a year and I don't update the list here. In fact I currently own over a dozen games across all eras including an Iron Man. Most importantly, as a tournament player and close neighbor of a bar with all the latest games, I put extensive play time into all of the NEWEST machines. Please don't create a context that doesn't exist.

Feel free to stick to the topic at hand, however. And of course nobody is "wrong" we are discussing opinions, which by definition cannot be wrong.

It's frustrating to write something, have it be completely ignored, and then write it again. If you don't have enough respect to actually read what I write before rebutting it, there's a lack of respect in play there.