It's not a ''toy'' to an operator. It should be considered a big deal when you're willing to throw an extra $200 out the window because you justify it as a ''toy''.

Someone said above Brendon Small is the voice. I wonder if he was involved with the animations as well? Or maybe pulled in some of his animator buddies from Metalocalypse.

Immediate game complaints? Check.
Compare how similar game is to other(s)? Check.
Complain about the pricing? Check.
Sprinkle in a few "I love the theme" and a few "I hate the theme"? Check.
Ahhh, all the hallmarks of another new game reveal!

What is the street price of Alien?

Honestly it looks way better then I expected. I do see similarities with both Kiss and Metallica, but honestly the physical lock of the toybox seems like an improved toy. The physical lock to the left of the right ramps also seems interesting. Looks like it sends balls to the toybox and could be used as a either a captured ball or add a ball. The short backhand targets on the upper playfield are something different, but I admittedly have limited access to newer machines. I have never owned a machine newer then mid-90s, but would love to eventually add a newer machine to my collection. Pending code this looks like it could contend with Metallica, if I were go go with a Stern.

Anyone who thinks the artwork is not spot on for this title just likes to complain...

There are only so many arrangements of pop bumpers, ramps, kickers, extra flippers, and toys that work. All angles in these machines flow towards the player, so that further limits what arrangements are possible. Similarity is inevitable and I think we're well past the point where layout creativity has become limited in a fan or upper-flipper layout. For a company to make something really, really innovative then the basic geometry of the machine needs to be looked at, which might not make for fun games.

Watching the animations immediately reminded me of the Snakes & Barrels episode.

Sorry to the haters but this pin looks like a winner. Can't wait to play it.

60 years of playing pinball will do that for ya.

It's been said but there's only so much shit you can do. And if you go completely off the reservation like Baby Pacman or Pin2K - or Woz for that matter - it usually kinda sucks.

I don't think anyone is complaining about the art.

Is this real or made up?

It's not 60 years of playing, it's the rehash of an art style from the 60s by the master. How many Big Daddy Ed Roth clones are there now?

This game looks better then expected... and I know I will get some heat for this, but looks WAY better then BM66 - especially the custom LED animations vs video clips.. love the artwork too.....

I don't like Stern IJ at all...but I think cool physical Multiball locks and releases are cool. I like when a cool feature from a shit game makes it into a (potentially) good game.

My distro offered $5199 for a pro, so not made up.

I was quoted $8299 (shipped) on the LE as best price too.

Hobbit had movie footage to work from. Aerosmith had nothing. It was either this or live action band footage. Even though the animation is like 1998 Internet Flash, the art style is completely cohesive with the rest of the game...I'd rather see good character 2D art with bad animation than bad 3D character art/animation (Lexi Lightspeed, Dialed In). I think for their first game with original 2D color content, it looks really good. Good enough for a pinball display, IMO.

reach out directly to Andrew. There are lots of options, but safe to say it is very competitive with the AeroPro and obviously packed with way more stuff.

So the meltdown thread last month was because prices are going up $200?

Jeez. That's not a big deal, especially considering everybody gets the LCD screen they've been lusting after for all these years.

I don't know why, but it upsets me a little that the

-middle ramp sound effects is the same as kiss
-super ramp sound effects is the same as kiss
- bonus counter sound effects are the same as kiss just at a different pitch
- scoop eject sound is the same as kiss
-Spinner sounds are the same as kiss
- Side target sound affect is the same as kiss/army targets

I'm sure there are more

Maybe they will kill two codes with one stone.

Who's dong the code on this pin?

Biggest limiting factors for modern Sterns are 1) mandatory Italian bottom with virtually no variation. So many hundreds of ways to have fun with this area 2) mandatory pop nest (always on upper half of PF) 3) mandatory standard body. Still hard to come up with something truly new but these rules really up the "sameness" factor on these games.

Maybe that's their "stock music game sound FX" now. Stern's been recycling sound FX since the DE days....remember the "mode is ending telephone ring" sound effect that's in pretty much every DE game?

Couldn't agree more Greg.

But our opinions will likely be dismissed as being nothing more than Stern "fanboys" giving Stern a pass (even though we both own and love our Hobbitses).

I would disagree with this. I don't know what an "italian bottom is" exactly - at least outside a gay bar - but there are actually VERY FEW variations on the lower playfield that are any good. That's why Steve Ritchie games are always the same down there. Don't get cute - messing around down there can easily ruin a game.

Hoping to see a Features Matrix on this game soon. the pro looks really great so far!

Last I checked you were in that thread, so to have a question mark at the end of anything I just quoted from you above means you didn't really get any of it.
Go back and read the last page, it sums up why it's a big deal.

Hope no more. It was posted like 5 pages ago.

I must admit I was just luke warm on this title when we learned about it months ago. But after the book came out showing the art it piqued my interest. I'm a fan of the band but not so much that I was in just because it was being made. I thought I would be in on KISS but the code kept me from ever purchasing one. Now that I've seen these pics and the video I have to say I'm much more impressed than I thought and this has zoomed up my charts as a possible purchase. I think the art is simply stunning and love the toys in the attic toy. The code already seems to be ahead of Batman (and Kiss sadly). Put me in the fan category at this point!!

Yup, more cost cutting moves. I'm tired of the lame super targets, super ramps and super loops modes too. Those types of modes are filler modes with minimal coding compared to objective based modes.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having such modes in a game with deep and unique code but Stern doesn't appear to be going in that direction.

Aerosmith does look pretty slick overall. Hopefully it becomes a great game. Will a premium be close to $8k like Batman 66 premium?

Watching the FB footage of gameplay back to back, I'd have to agree with this. Shots look better too...

Hahah...look, I give props where props are due. The overall package for this game is awesome...and I'm saying that as someone who's on Stern's shitlist for my GB criticisms, a non-Aero fan and someone who won't buy NIB games anymore. I don't see one thing to complain about, seriously. It looks extremely appealing with a nice layout and toys that look cool.

Agreed. I'm not going to rush out and buy this, but I could EASILY trade my KISS premium for the AS pro.

Again, I agree on all counts.

Not an Aerosmith fan, but if they limit the majority of songs to what they released in the 70's and early 80's I can tolerate it. I won't be buying this anytime soon, but if the rules/code get positive feedback and I like how it plays, I can see owning a pro down the road.

Has anything about pricing been announced? I wonder if a premium will be close to $8k like Batman 66 premium?

WOF got away with not using a mandatory Italian bottom and I think it made it a much more exciting game because of the extra nudging possibilities. I'm surprised they haven't tried doing that again.

As for Aerosmith I actually think the art and the layout on the Pro looks fantastic!-I actually enjoy the KISS layout so I don't mind seeing it improved and recycled. The biggest reason to hold off on buying this game though is code. If it doesn't have Lyman or Dwight on lead software what are the chances that it's actually going to be any good.

You are surprised? They sold like 20 of those and never even bothered finishing it up.

People love tight, hot Italian bottoms. There's a reason the vast majority of pinball machines made in the last 30 years are like that - it's what players like.

been posted many times in all the threads...take a look back

You two get a room already.

My only complaint and it has really nothing to do with this machine directly but man, after seeing this today and how well they incorporated the LCD screen, they should've put one in GB.

this game looks a lot better and a lot more fun than batman66

Wait. NO models with mini dome flashers? No deal.

mini (resized).png

While I agree it's the safe option and guarantees at least middling results, there are lots and lots of famous entrepreneurs quoted stating that people don't know what they want until you sell it to them. Henry Ford is famously quoted saying his customers would have asked for a faster horse.

Some manufacturer has to take a risk if we want to expect innovation. Stern isn't that company right now. They're know for playing it very safe. Similar layouts, themes with a built in audience. We've seen the threads about it dozens of times. It's interesting to me that the companies who could go completely out of business from a single flop are the ones doing most of the layout innovation.

Virtually every classic Bally SS had a non-standard (Italian) bottom. It's a big part of what makes them so beloved IMO. You have to work at new and unique flipper skills and nudging strategies on every table. Some of my favorites are the lower left "Beasts Lair" pop on Paragon, the inlane save gates with nudging posts on Centaur, the scissor flippers on Harlem, and on and on.

No, see further back. The Premium is $6995 shipped. $8299 for the LE shipped.

I do wish the LE had some better features than what is currently listed to make up for the $1300 difference. Laser-etched armor is always nice. Something a little more creative than just a different color armor, and mirrored backglass versus translite (and the few small things like designer signature on playfield and COA.) Not the best set of LE features.

Hey man, at least they're telling us up front what they never intend to complete

Looks liek they really learned from the ACDC fiasco

Borg did give the Pro buyer a lot of love again. God bless that guy.