Yes it is.

"It's a Small World" themed pin....... The ultimate nightmare.

Really? They have to be second-guessing that decision while staring at the piles of WWE unsold stock. Is that the only LE that never came close to selling out?

Haha. Took my son on this when he was 6 and it turned him off coasters for life. As soon as we launched, I knew it was a mistake.

Mistake there was making a pin that cost more to buy than the target demo's trailer homes.

When I mentioned they might be doing Aerosmith she was kind of like WTF? I then told her there was a fat chance they would ever make a Suicide Squad, Red Hot Chili Peppers, or any newer theme her or her generation or even I could relate to. So, like me she is content to play the existing games she likes.

DSCN4896_(resized).JPG

Is that the South American cover band?

So wrong, and yet painfully true.

I happen to love Chile Peppers.

I understand they are from So Cal. I think culture wise that area has always been it's own little island. What people like around here doesn't always seem to jive with the mainstream.

Make that "Chili" :

It boils down to price. If pins were cheaper there would be more operators/home owners for the next gen to enjoy. $5000 for a watered down version is just to expensive for most 35-50 year olds let alone 18-35. Stern and the rest are just pricing themselves out of business. I predict the next 10 years continuing the current path, it will be a used only market.

That does make a lot of sense and not all pinball machines needed all the extras to make them so pricey. It does seem that even though some say more are getting into the hobby now, there may end up being less and less buyers for each higher priced new machine. Throw in another bad economic period, and it could spell the end of it all.

Theme is definitely an issue, but visibility and transparency of rules are, as well. If TZ crapped out on location due to complexity then I can't imagine how most non-pinheads feel approaching something as dense as TWD or Hobbit, even if both games do offer simpler, more basic bash toys for beginner players, and that's if they ever come across one, which is unlikely. Pinheads crab about games like TAF as being too repetitive, but when you're a home owner it's easy to forget that TAF is magical in an arcade where your access is limited. A non-player steps up to TAF and it's instantly inviting and instantly rewarding, and progress happens immediately. It might be good for Stern to produce a more user-friendly game with a more modern theme.

But with most 90s pins going from 1500-2500 ten years ago to 3000-6000 now most can't afford those either. I think if stern keeps making games like they have been from 2010 newer more high end collectors will want to not deal with 20 plus old machine that's has issues and but new ones. Allowing the 90s games to come down. I personally feel this is happening. Last mgc 3 DM s were priced around 1700 - 1900 and didn't sell. I beleive games made from 1990-2010 have peaked in price and are going down. 80s games are climbing because collectors re realized for how simple (single layered) they are they are really fun, good bang for the buck. I honk a balanced collection is 2/3 80s one EM and a a few 90s on up.

The way I achieved balance was to get rid of every thing made after 1990. They were all fun while they were here, but none turned out to be keepers. Seems the newer the machine, the shorter it's stay was. Especially the most recent offerings.

I don't quite understand what you're even talking about. In past 10 years, Stern has made:
Spiderman off the current movies
Batman
Star Trek
Avengers
Tron
Walking Dead
Game of Thrones
POTC
Iron Man
Family Guy
Avatar
Shrek
Transformers
WWE
Those are all based upon current movies and tv shows, things that kids relate to.

Really the only 'old guy' themes they've done are:
KISS
Metallica
WWE LE
AC/DC
Rolling Stones
Ghostbusters

*they have had some themes that didn't appeal to anyone, like CSI, 24, and WOF, lol

They totally would make a Suicide Squad game if the movie would have been good, superhero movies are one of their staples.

I don't expect you to understand or care if anybody does. 90+% of what you list there interests us not at all. Most of it is reboots of reboots anyway. You might like all that crap, but it doesn't mean everybody does.

And remember this is about Aerosmith, a band that hasn't put out a good album since Rocks released in May 1976 when Gerald Ford was still president. Following several other recent has been band themes not to mention the most recent release, a movie from 1984.

We choose not to support it. All we can do is hope it changes for the better soon.

Agreed, there could be a price adjustment soon, especially with recent quality issues

I assume you only mean Stern, not the entire market? In the entire history of pinball, I believe pinball has only died once (and that was for a week while Stern re-structured around 2009). I can see Stern possibly taking a huge hit, not sure if they would ever fully close the doors (at the very least, they would keep the manufacturing side open even if they ended up taking a dump on hundreds of playfields for ghosting issues and had to lay off every designer). They would find a way to stay alive in some form.

Your opinion. I believe their later albums were awesome. 9 lives, pump, etc. just different Aerosmith music than their original. So they have two genres to appeal to. The old stuff you like and the new stuff 30 somethings grew up on. I saw Aerosmith on their 9 lives tour twice. Plus I have almost all of their albums on record.

They are already there.

And reboots that's a Hollywood issue. Not up for discussion in a Aerosmith pinball thread.

New stuff? lol. How fast some of you lose track of time.

And as far as the old stuff I like, maybe in the 70s I listened to it almost every day, but now I may break it out once a year. Same reason I wouldn't want it as a pinball machine to look at every day. And my kid sure wouldn't think it's cool.

But I'm tired of giving my negative opinions because it obviously won't change a thing. Thinking my opinion might help this dying industry seems pretty silly now that I think about it.

So, for the few that voted yes in the poll, enjoy your pinball machine whatever they serve you next.

Huh?

Spiderman not reboot
Batman reboot
Star Trek reboot
Avengers not reboot
Tron not reboot
Walking Dead not reboot
Game of Thrones not reboot
POTC not reboot
Iron Man not reboot
Family Guy not reboot
Avatar not reboot
Shrek not reboot
Transformers not reboot
WWE not reboot

Only like 2 of above themes were actually reboots of franchises that had previous movies. Tron and Transformers are close, but Tron started where it left off and Transformers never really had a live action movie, just the cartoon thing.

I don't understand what you're all in a huff about, lol. You don't even buy newer games anyways, right? It just seems weird that someone who is almost all EM would even care about the newest Stern game...you haven't cared enough to buy one the past 38 years since EM's went away, what's so bad about Aerosmith that it's brought you into this thread?

Incorrect - Aerosmith has sold many more albums AFTER Rocks, than they did up through Rocks. Their record sales indicate plenty of good albums - they are one of the top selling bands ever at around 160 million albums. Why keep repeating the same negative, ignoring the facts (record sales), opinion? You're right - it is pretty silly.

I'm pretty much done wasting my breath on this subject, but I guess I still need to respond to somebody that doesn't know what he is talking about.

Recent Sterns I have owned are Nascar, TSPP, TronLE, RBION,and METLE and probably one or two I don't care to remember. Would you like me to tell you why they are gone? That would be wasting my breath too I think. So I don't think I will.

Record sales have nothing to do with my opinion or do pinball sales. I don't buy shit because people tell me I should or because other people do. It has to be something I like for me to say it is good. And I'm not wasting any more time explaining my opinion to those that think I should have a different one. I know what I like. And that is good enough for me.

However, as far as buying an Aerosmith pinball machine or thinking it's a good idea in the year 2016, I will go with the majority in the poll in this thread on that one. 347 pinsiders say they are out, and I am one of them.

Later dudes!

The "racetrack" in Nascar is super cute, though, the first time I played it I actually took my hands off the flippers for a couple seconds because I was so surprised.

Haven't been on the site in awhile, happy to see though that everything is as it has been for the last 15 years, with people still predicting Stern's demise. If you ever get time, go back and search RGP and read all the naysayers mentioning how Lord of the Rings was cheaply made, and surely Stern was on it's last legs.

They were almost right. Stern was very, very close to dead not that many years after LotR. It's been an impressive comeback for Stern, but RGP wasn't on the wrong track way back then.

When talking about a pinball realease an individual's opinion about what albums they like means a lot less than record sales.
About the poll. Ha. Pinside is a overally negative place. I would be surprised if most of the votes are from people that never read a comment. The poll is useless.

Aerosmith.
I always liked listening to the first side of permanent vacation. I'll have to dig that album out of the boxes tonight.

I hooked a buddy up with a EM king pin he always wanted. And also a Jungle lord. At first he lived them both. And I explain JL had a deeper rules and was a challenge to try to conquer. After a few months he sold JL. Wasn't for him. He likes EM. And I get it. DMD games are not for some too.

If you think pinball and rock and roll themes go together, the following list explains what we can expect in the future for music themed pinball machines. Its just economics, barring contractual hurdles Aerosmith and Van Halen should be locks to happen at some point.

http://www.metalinjection.net/its-just-business/how-many-metal-bands-made-the-list-of-top-250-best-selling-musicians-of-all-time

#11: AC/DC (72 million) - DONE
#13: The Rolling Stones (66.5 million) - DONE
#14: Aerosmith (66.5 million)
#18: Metallica (62 million) - DONE
#20: Van Halen (56.5 million)
#30: Guns N’ Roses (44.5 million) - DONE
#46: Def Leppard (35 million)
#48: Bon Jovi (34.5 million)
#62: Ozzy Osbourne (28.75 million)
#79: ZZ Top (25 million)
#81: Rush (25 million)
#82: Nirvana (25 million)
#83: Motley Crue (25 million)
#112 Kiss (21 million) - DONE
#119 Linkin Park (20 million)
#147 Korn (16.5 million)
#150 Limp Bizkit (16.5 million)
#168 Black Sabbath (15 million)
#188 YES (13.5 million)
#202 Whitesnake (12.5 million)
#207 Alice In Chains (12.5 million)
#243 Nine Inch Nails (10.5)

Where are the Scorpions in that list??

Wikipedia says Scorpions sold over 100 million, but I don't see them on that list. Maybe because it's a list of US sales only, which makes it kind of worthless? MTV says 22 million records.

Other notables:
Led Zeppelin 111.5 million
Pink Floyd 75 Million
Queen 34.5 Million

I'd probably buy a Zep, Pink Floyd, Queen, or Scorps pin, but Zep will never happen. Too much licensing cost.

Found a list with worldwide ALBUM ONLY sales instead of US only sales of albums and singles (which is more what you'd want for deciding on a pin theme that would be sold worldwide).

3 - Pink Floyd = 193.700.000 (02/2008)
5 - Elvis Presley = 187.000.000 - ALREADY DONE
7 - Queen = 170.100.000 (09/2008)
8 - Rolling Stones = 169.100.000 - ALREADY DONE
10 - Led Zeppelin = 165.500.000 (01/2008)
17 - AC/DC = 133.700.000 (11/2007) - ALREADY DONE
28 - Aerosmith = 113.500.000 (11/2007)
29 - Bon Jovi = 107.200.000 (12/2007)
34 - Metallica - 102.500.000 (01/2008) - ALREADY DONE
35 - Prince = 99.900.000 (02/2008)
37 - David Bowie = 95.700.000 (12/2007)
38 - Van Halen = 94.000.000 (02/2008)
39 - Guns N' Roses = 93.200.000 (12/2007) - ALREADY DONE
57 - Nirvana = 69.400.000 (02/2008)
60 - The Who = 66.200.000 (11/2008)
67 - Def Leppard = 62.500.000 (12/2007)
69 - Meat Loaf = 61.500.000 (01/2008)
70 - Deep Purple = 61.400.000 (11/2008)
72 - Iron Maiden = 59.700.000 (02/2008)
84 - Kiss = 54.500.000 (11/2008) - ALREADY DONE
91 - Black Sabbath = 48.400.000 (11/2008)
95 - Ozzy Osbourne = 46.700.000 (11/2008)
97 - Scorpions = 44.900.000 (11/2008)

Yeah but done so poorly, a new Elvis with real music and more stuff from the 70's would be great.

I'm not saying it was done well, but it was done. The Elvis we got was super-corny. Guns n Roses was also a pretty mediocre effort. They deserve better.

Iron Maiden - Number 72 on the list, but Number 1 in our hearts... up the irons!!

Where are the Eagles and U2 on the list?

a lot of those album sales were from a long time ago but if you look at the top grossing tours over the last 5 years, it is mainly these older rock bands at the top. Still very relevant in my opinion even though they haven't been putting out a ton of new music. The Stones by the way have a new album coming out this fall!

You want a pin about a fat, bloated Elvis?

No, no...a 50's based Elvis is what people wanted. I've played it a few times. I wouldn't say it was poorly done.

Limp Bizkit

I'm in for sure

Maybe you need to play it a few more times...that will put you over the hump. That game is junk.
EDIT: Unless you just mean the look of it...being all pink and "50s ish" which I guess it is for the most of it.

What? ok maybe not the final 2 years of his live but early 70's in Vegas, oh yeah, better music for pinball too.

Don't get wrong I love 60's Elvis as well but the music isn't all the great for pinball.

Early 60's is my favorite Elvis music.

Steve Ritchie doesn't make poor games.

Fact!

Ha, I guess that's a pinside fact.

I'm holding out for the Nickelback pinball machine...........

If you take out all the acts that wouldn't translate well to pinball, Iron Maiden is easily in the top 20, based on worldwide album sales alone (not singles, videos, touring, which I think would boost them higher).

Well Stern can't do that; WWE, Mustang

Damn all the way in the top 20? Looks like I have 5-7 years to save up

If the rumors are right, you have a year or less. Supposedly IM is already in the works, sometime after Star Wars.

A coaster the Disney fan base always looks to have rethemed every time the ride comes up because they all feel the band is out of place now and stale. Like right now, Guardians of the Galaxy is the IP Disney is looking to shove into the parks.. with a dinosaur of Universe of Energy on the chopping block.. but people quickly turn to Rockin Roller Coaster and say it would be a better retheme over there.

There is no love for Aerosmith there anymore...

And the ride made news because for some reason some tightwad complained about Steven Tyler holding his hand in the shocker pose (but not really calling it out) so they photoshopped him having another finger to hide the pose..