It's hard enough to light death star modes as it is

Also fuck those poll options, dude. Really?

I hear what you're saying, but I REALLY enjoy stacking modes... wouldn't be possible if you have to hit a specific planet shot to start one.

Another idea I really like. Good stuff.

I had the same thoughts already about this. Good suggestion and really hope this makes it in the game!

Or if you actually have lit the different mode shots by shooting them x times you could stack 1 other planet mode along.
Or you could stack as long as you are playing at least a mode from the shot you just made. And once that shot has no more modes to be played, you must start the other modes in one of the other shots.

But totally agree the left ramp and right small loop exploit should be covered.

Ahhhh... very cool idea! I'm definitely guilty of starting 90% of my modes on the Endor shot. I think for this to work it would make sense to reset this on each ball... not in the sense of having to hit the shot three times... but if the player spends ball one hitting Hoth+Endor three times, and then hits Endor... and passes, and then hits Hoth again... he/she can stack w/ Endor. However, if you drain you need to hit Hoth and Endor one more time to start/stack it on ball two.

Might be best just to have another option that users could enable/disable, like the stacking modes option.
For now, I have mode stacking "off" so I can better understand each of the modes, individually.
Once I know them all well, I plan to switch to stackable modes.

I heard SW is already used in some tournaments. How long before the game is pulled due to this exploit?

It's not really an exploit to start all the modes on the left ramp, it's just easy. GOT center ramp is one of the easiest shots in pinball, and all of its modes start there.

That said, I like @Hoser's idea of making a player shoot more of the playfield to start modes. Right now I light Tatooine modes off the skill shot and basically never shoot that scoop.

Too easy shots might aswell be same as exploit. Even kids and women know how to backhand and cradle-up in 2017. There is no way any player won't just backhand this 1 shot all day long. Too bad, I was just about to consider a SW prem over AFM, but "I have a bad feeling about this"

Tell that to owners of 24, lol. I'm with you though! This will only change if someone has the ear of Stern/Dwight, maybe a Sharpe brother or Elwin can push this up the flagpole for us?

Don't forget that this isn't necessarily a flaw. It could be that it was programmed this way in order to reduce the difficulty level. While I believe it makes sense to change in a tournament setting to handicap the Elwin's of the world, there's no way that players at my house are good enough to hit the Tatooine mode hole or Deathstar shot enough times in a single game. With StarWars, it's not just about progressing through all the modes, it's doing so with the highest score possible.

Suggesting that it's a great PR move to change it, and/or that it shows that they care about us is a little "off", in that you're assuming to be right and that no other opinion is valid.

I don't consider it a flaw either. it's just a way to make the game easier and more approachable on default settings. If I were to own the game I'd turn off mode stacking to make the game more difficult because it's too easy IMO on default settings to get through all of the modes. That solves the issue and forces you to shoot all of the shots. it also makes the game feel less convoluted and allows you to feel more theme immersion as you can focus on one story mode at a time. I don't even own the game and I've already made it through all the modes in a single game a handful of times already on route.-when they spot you modes and allow you to stack it really isn't that challenging to do. Last night I had everything qualified for Jedi Multiball except "Jedi Master". I love the game but people will start getting bored of it if you can make it to the end that easily. My preference would be for mode stacking to be "off" by default as I prefer having more of a challenge. Yes, I know I can choose not to stack modes but that puts me at a disadvantage when competing against other players on location. -You have to maximize scoring using every advantage you can get!

I get where you're coming from, and I don't think you're wrong at all. Just that this is entirely an "opinion", and not a flaw.
There's a huge difference.
Personally, I think that by allowing players to stack modes, it's a bit easier too. That's one of the reasons that I disallowed that on my setup. But some others may prefer it. Either way, it's not a "flaw", it's personal taste.
Based on what I've seen so far in the game, and knowing Stern, I expect we'll all be pretty happy with the final product (I really hope they add more snow speeder / Walker stuff!), but I guarantee that we won't all think it's exactly the way we wanted it to be. Too many varying opinions.

"Stay on target..." consensus is that default settings on SW are too easy for most owners. I'm not afraid to fight for best code! If players are starting to loop modes on route, imagine how easy it will be if you own the game

Very interesting point.
Set stock, without increasing the ball save time, this game was eating us alive (not quite like Ghostbusters, but close).
Now that I closed in the outlane posts, increased the ball save time, and allowed an extra ball, I'm completing most of the planets on a good game.
What I like about this is that home owners will be able to tweak the game to whatever difficulty they choose. It's not a Valinor type scenario.
My suggestion is that operators leave the game as stock, or possibly even a little tougher if players are reaching Wizard mode consistently.

A bit unrelated, but did you know that the number of balls you start with on the final mission for each planet is determined by how many modes you completed to get there?
Ie: you play as R2D2 and complete 1 Death Star mission only (two and three are spotted for you when you start the game) and you get a 2 ball multiball.
But if you select someone else and have to complete all modes manually, you start with more. (Not sure how many though. I wish I was a better player!)

Yup. Complete 2 modes for 3 ball MB and 3 modes for 4 ball MB. Dwight is doing an amazing job with the code.

Anybody seen this game used in real tournament play yet? Be curious to see if top players in the world spam the left ramp like we predict here.

Why not just send the suggestions to [email protected] ?

Almost all games have a repeatable shot. It isn't an exploit. Spamming the same shot over and over won't lead to great scoring anyway.

Stopped out to play Star Wars on my way home from work and on my second game made it to Jedi Multiball and defeated the Emperor on my first ball! I won't spoil it but it's a pretty intense mode and was a rush to play! Once you defeat him your flippers go dead and you start the game over as a new character. Ended up putting up my best score to date. I'm thinking there must be a grander wizard mode planned for if you defeat the Emperor with all 4 characters in the same game. -probably be an hour plus game for that!

I still think default settings are too easy though and default difficulty should be turned up and perhaps mode stacking disabled by default. I have a feeling now that I've made it once it will be a pretty regular occurrence similar to how DTR was in LOTR.

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Maybe the game is easy settings on purpose for children? I mean younglings (sorry). Family friendly, just knock off the emporer in a couples tokens and go home. Disney might want it this way idk. Holding off until I see real players strategies, not fanboys opinions

Half the goddamn people rage quit this game because with the multipliers and *DUN DUN DUNNNN* 3rd flipper it was just too much to handle...too hard mentally to handle.
And now a bunch of people are saying the game is too goddamn easy.

Man I got no idea what's going on.

I played a 6B yesterday, death star end mode, endor end mode, hyper space multiball and some nice 40x multiplier action.

Maybe the default for mode stacking disabled when playing the group end modes (the multiball ones) would be the better. This way you can still stack the normal I II III modes, but it removes the easy stacking together with a (multiball) end mode.

Stack or do not Stack. There is no Skill Stack

This poll is BS. You either offer us the choice of voting for your personal preference, or voting for you basically calling us lazy idiots.

If I could upvote that a million times...

We've used it in league for several weeks. Using the Endor Ramp, or any other mode start location really, is a strategy I've shown to everyone else, because frankly, shooting the Tattoine scoop is problematic at best, and a guaranteed SDTMFM drain at worst.

Yet another pinside that fails to read what was actually said, quotes it anyways, and skews it to suit their own agenda. WOW THAT NEVER HAPPENS HERE, RIGHT?

You know, for someone that has so many problems with how this game was designed, maybe you should just stop being annoying with all these posts and polls about it, and just finally admit that YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME. Jesus Christ. There's a reason I said "or any other mode start shot".....leaving Endor for *LAST* to qualify is the smart play for those that have half a brain, because it IS the easy shot. Qualifying Death Star and Hoth on ball 1 should be priority. Then, and only then, assuming that you haven't already started a mode, should any kind of sane person other than one trying to eke out a bare minimum of points, even be thinking about shooting Endor to qualify those modes. Getting the other three going is massively more valuable than just cheesing Endor to death. Go to Endor on ball 3 if you haven't had any luck with the other ones.

I'd be fine with them removing stacking altogether after the first character is completed, as was suggested above, but you're advocating for it to be gone entirely, which is advocating for lazy play. Modes don't time out. You have to finish them either way. Eliminating stacking completely is a stupid move, especially if there is some grand plan for a massive wizard mode after finishing all characters. Really, it should be:

1st - Stacking
2nd - No stacking
3rd - Stacking
4th - No stacking

Then, you get the best of both worlds, advancement that's not INSANELY SLOW and also a bit of a reward for clearing those non-stacking sections in the form of getting to stack again then the uber wizard mode. Having all 4 be non-stacking...who the hell wants to play that game? It would take *literally* longer than getting to Valinor even if you assume the LOTR player and the SW player made a flawless series of shots to get to the end. That's just dumb.

"Eliminating stacking completely is a stupid move"

But isn't that the very option Stern just gave us was to turn On or Off stacking completely. All or nothing? I'm confused. Are you advocating for more nuance.. cause Stern don't do nuance, yo

The bias shown in this poll is a joke and speaks volumes to the type of real info you are looking for. You don't give a shit about making the code better, you only give a shit about making the code fit your idea of what the Star Wars code should be - - and at the cost of ruining it for the countless others who actually own and love the game.

Figure out some objectiveness and pinside etiquette already; you've easily consumed your grace period of being a newbie... And yes, I'll repost this in any and all future Star Wars polls you start where you essentially give the members a choice between a cookie or a turd sandwich.

Right, and I'm fine with there being the *option*. Doesn't mean it will ever get used by 99% of players, because stacking is a hallmark of modern pinball code, and this game as it currently sits (with the intention to be able to add additional characters), is way the hell to deep to be solo-shooting through EVERY...BLOODY...MODE...without stacking. I don't see any way they could make qualifying stacked modes any more difficult other than just removing them, or just making some kind of ridiculous overcomplicated mess of the code (Shoot one mode start only get that shot's modes, shoot two mode starts within X seconds then get to stack modes from those two? How do you even relay that info to the player?).

And how do you figure Stern doesn't do nuance? Both Dwight and Lyman are good with that. AC/DC's scoring for Album Multiball is brilliant. Spider-Man is brilliant with the shot multipliers and rules around getting to Superhero without using an extra ball. The combo chaining bonus giving playfield multipliers is awesome. I feel like I own one of the LEAST nuanced games stern has released in recent years (Metallica), and that's still been one of their most popular games.

Games that are completely lacking any kind of nuance? WWE, Avengers, Transformers (to a lesser degree than those two..at least it has shot multipliers). Those three are the 'cream of the crud', and I actually really like Transformers. KISS is pretty straightforward too, but there's a lot to do there. Kind of like Metallica....lots to do there, but it's not hard to understand at all.

I'm pretty sure this is because, IMO, multiballs are too easy to get. That's my one actual beef with the code, but it's also why I prefer mode stacking on. Ultimately, any way it's set everyone theoretically has the same opportunity. The last thing on earth you want to do for tournament play is present really good players with easier routes to have longer balls.

Unfortunately, "tournament rules" don't always equal "fun"..... getting 5 million points instead of an extra ball from a mystery award for example...

Currently with mode stacking "on" it's way too easy to make it through all of the modes. Then, after you beat the Emperor you have to basically start all over by choosing a new character and play through many of these same modes again. Doing this for all 4 characters would make for an incredibly long game even with stacking left on. Most modes you'd end up having to play through 2 or 3 times. I had a great game last week where I reached Jedi Multiball and defeated the Emperor ball 1 but it was kind of a buzzkill to have to basically start the game over with a new character and have to play through many of the same modes again. Reminds me of 90's games where you have to start over again after reaching the Wizard Mode in a game.

My preference would be to have mode stacking "off" which makes the journey to Jedi MB a bit longer but instead of having to play through the entire next character's mode arc, you get spotted all of the modes that you completed with your initially character. This would mean that you would most likely only have to play 1-2 modes with each of the remaining 3 characters. Once you complete all modes using a combo of all characters (and possibly some other new requirements achieved) then there could be some kind of Ultimate Wizard mode.