SW >> DI
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Quoted from jar155:Well, nobody has played that yet. Pretty much impossible to judge so far.
And your point is? No one has seen of played SW LE yet either.
Funny people talk about value a being somehow related to the weight of the machine. Three years from now when Star Wars LE are selling for more than they did NIB and DILE are selling for a loss, what is the value really based on?
Also all this talk about quality? WOZ was the worst NIB unboxing experience I've ever had and the least reliable new game I've ever had. Just replaced the SSD last week in fact. Still trying to fix/adjust the lock bar receiver that some gorilla bent at the factory.
Quoted from Bendit:I work with server and desktop hardware.
You cannot blame JJP for a faulty SSD. They are made in another country, and often fail regardless of what machine they are installed in.
Come on.
Same is true for SD cards. They often fail. Stern cannot be blamed for premature SD card failures.
Right?
At least the CPU portion of JJP games are not some proprietary hardware. Surely you see the value in that...
I blame them for a shitty design that has a whole PC in a metal box in the base of the machine. I'd rather replace a $5 SD card any day.
And I'd much, much rather have dedicated hardware that I control everything. Every time Ubuntu or the COTS mobo is changed how much unknown stuff is affected in a JJP machine?
Quoted from Bendit:Again though, pros and cons, and $500 proprietary versus $200 generic. I don't call that a "shitty" design, but a smart choice.
Lol. You really think Stern pays that much? By the time you pay for all the extra mile of cabling, the box, SSD, labor, etc the JJP setup is much more expensive and amounts too a square peg in a round hole.
Dedicated hardware is the way to go. That is why back in 2011 JJP said they absolutely were not going with a PC solution. That tune changed when it turned out that wasn't so easy. Not to mention their designers couldn't design LED boards properly let alone a complex embedded controller. It is my observation they ended ended up with this bloated, expensive system system as a fall back as the schedule was quickly slipping.
We can agree too disagree in this, but I will take Spike every day and twice on Saturday.
Quoted from Bendit:I had fun playing, but I didn't say "Wow". Is that bad?
Nope. To each their own. The great thing about this hobby is choices. People should play and/or buy the games they like and eff what anyone else including me thinks.
After playing DI a bunch this weekend I just can't get past the theme. Rather than growing on me it's going the other way! The little moving electric man? WTF. Maybe it's me but the idea of a game taking selfies just makes my skin crawl. It's kind of a clunky too. Definitely a lot better graphics than the other two JJP games but not my cup of tea as an overall package. For me it will be Star Wars and/or Metallica.
So somehow a tie fighter is less cool than a plastic electrician on a stick? I want whatever you're smoking lol. You need to keep the debate to total weight, BOM or how good you look in selfies, because there is no getting around DI being a terrible theme.
Quoted from jar155:lso, the music on Dialed In is fantastic. The call outs are weak for the most part, but the music and sound effects are quite good.
The sound quality is noticeably worse in DI than the previous JJP games and especially the new SPIKE 2.1 games because of the way they have the speakers firing upwards to make room for putting the boards in the backbox. The sound is not crisp at all like it is on WOZ. I'm all for getting the electronics out of the lower cabinet, but they could have come up with a better way. This is yet another reason I prefer the Stern screen size and SPIKE in general.
Quoted from jar155:He prefers SPIKE in general. That's crazy talk. Nobody with any level of objectivity would.
The speakers fire upward inside the head and there is an opening in the front for the sound to come out. Not like it's a Bose sound tube either. Sorry, I noticed the muddy sound while playing the game and compared to the AS nearby DI sounded not nearly as good. Closer examination found this new head design where the speakers don't point outward. It also does not sound as good as the WOZ that I am sitting 20 feet from as I type this. Shrug.
I am an electronics engineer so I am entitled to my opinion on the guts of the machines even though it makes no difference on game play. I prefer a dedicated system to a PC any day. Baby steps. JJP will get there some day. At least they got the PC out of the cabinet.
Quoted from jar155:Ok, but as an owner of a pinball machine collection, I prefer anything over the problematic and half-baked SPIKE system. It's still not finished and they're several games in.
WOZ has been the least reliable game I've ever had... The problems with SPIKE are way overblown fake news.
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