Star Wars (LE)
Stern, 2017
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Quoted from IdahoRealtor:And they have the best designers, and their pins are the most reliable, and they are the only ones with a product around $5k. Good luck topping Stern in any of those 3 areas.
designers...maybe....reliable no way....innovative...no way....quality control....no way....bang for your buck...no way.....Stern is stuck in their old school ways, and are being bypassed by JJP and CGC...
Quoted from glasairpilot:I have the means to buy a new Ferrari every year and one of everything Stern makes every year, but I don't do it because I don't see the value. You buy a Ferrari because you want to have people see you drive a Ferrari. A Corvette ZO6 will flat out crush almost all Ferraris in speed, handling, comfort, reliability, and maintenance costs for 1/3 to 1/10th the cost. The Corvette also now looks just as good in my opinion. It is no different than anything else - when a company gets comfortable another comes along to do better. Look what Google did to Yahoo, Apple did to Blackberry, and Amazon is doing to Walmart.
Again, if you want to impress people with having the newest and greatest you buy everything with a big price tag regardless of value. I just don't see it going forward.
A point was made about Stern $5k machines and they are right. You can buy a nice pro of just about anything for $5-6k, but after playing the LE models I'm not interested. I will just wait for people to get tired of their LEs or premiums and pick them up for a price of a pro.
Stern has done well and I love my older machines with STLE being the pinnacle; however, every machine after it has been less value in my opinion.
I couldn't agree more...I have means to buy just about anything I want, but I want value for that dollar. When you look at the higher priced NIB machines i.e. Stern LE's, CGC LE's, or JJP machines there's no comparison in terms of value and quality. CGC and JJP have leap frogged Stern in terms of innovation and quality. A primary example is the AFMRLE game...they were smart and actually offered the customer value that differentiated it from the lower priced units (interactive topper, trim color options, blades, extended warranty, etc). What Stern does offer that the others don't is a lower priced "value" model with the Pro's. The only Pro model I have in my collection is Metallica, which I love to play. I might be in the minority, but people who can afford a $8500+ SWLE would have had no problem shelling out a little bit more if they actually got value i.e. higher quality play field, some kick ass toy, glass, lite rails, etc....
Quoted from jgentry:Not going to happen. At least half the pinball people I know have already moved on and are excited for the GOTG release. Pinball people have very short memories and just can't seem to help themselves. It will have more toys as Borg games always do and be the same price as SW. People will justify it as its a cool theme with good art and toys unlike what they thought SW was. There will be 400 LE's and people will be fighting to get one.
All LE's should be limited to no more than 500, and actually include something that differentiates it from the Premium model....i.e Star Trek LE....then most people would stop bitching (we'll maybe not).....I'll NEVER purchase a NIB game from Stern....I've limited my new games to CGC and JJP...a year from now I'll bet u can buy a used SW LE, HUO for close to $7K....look at the GB LE market....fun game, actually full of toys, and other cool features...now the market is low to mid 7's for an LE....
Quoted from jgentry:You just listed things that you think an LE should be required to have and yet you bought either LE's or premiums of sterns last 2 releases? Why did you buy them if you are so pissed at stern? Your logic for pricing on the secondary market is also very off. JJP games have lost more value in most cases than stern games. A year from now you will be able to buy a DILE for $7500 and Hobbits for $5500 HUO.
Here is what u don't understand....First I didn't buy new Stern games, and second I don't really care about the money. If your in this hobby for the $ than u best find something else to do. I don't mind forking out the money for an LE if I ACTUALLY get something for it. Buying most NIB pinball games is like buying a car. You'll probably take a 10% hit after u open the box. There are exceptions, but not many (TRON LE, ACDC LE, etc). Your living on Mars if you think u can purchase a NIB DI LE for $7500 delivered....
Quoted from jgentry:Learn to read dude. DILE's are going to be plentiful and will take a 1K hit on the HUO market. My post said nothing about NIB DILE's Your post was literally about sterns losing value. So what in the world are you trying to say?
They all lose value Dude (well most), and most NIB pins at some point will be plentiful...the difference is you actually get value with CGC and JJP LE pins....Stern not so much....facts are facts....clearly u don't agree, which is perfectly fine
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Wow! Lets all stop buying NIB machines so all the pinball factories can close. Bit like the same thing that happened in the late 90's. Were you guys around then? Gary Stern was the only person with the drive and passion to keep pinball manufacturing alive. Stern still happen to be the largest manufacturer of pinball machines in the world.
Driving away pinball enthusiasts that like Stern machines is not good for Pinside either. Maybe instead of hating one manufacturer you can start loving another? You guys are doing your best to destroy our much loved hobby. You are a disgrace to the silver ball.
you clearly are missing the point.
Quoted from jgentry:Maybe I'm just the only one that likes it that much then. I think it's great though. Not a theme I love but great art, good toys, solid code, fun as heck for me.
I really enjoyed the AS premium I played recently. I thought the art package, play field, flow, toys, etc...were all well done. The main toy in AS is creative and a lot of fun. I think if and when Stern actually fine tunes the code it could right up there with Met and ACDC....
Quoted from guyincognito:The NFL is anti-American?
NFL, MLB is about as American as it gets....
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