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Star Wars Data East 20th anniversary edition


By KornFreak28

3 years ago



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#51 3 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Probably shorted the driver board against the ground plane in the back. Never change batteries with the power on!

Never again, never again! That was a 120 dollar mistake.

#52 3 years ago
Quoted from KornFreak28:

Great info! Thanks so much. I can just imagine, taking the board out, driving to the computer place, driving back home, ect ect and to find out it was put there upside down! Thanks so much!

Wait what? Driving to the computer place? You realize you are going to turn off the game, pop out one chip with your little flat screwdriver and insert the new chip and you are done correct? No driving necessary, and you don't have to take the board out

#53 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Here are some basic install directions for replacing a rom chip in your game.
You should be able to figure out the game rom you are replacing by looking at your MPU board. Perhaps it has a 1.03 sticker on it. Notice the orientation matters (where pin 1 or the notch will be located on the chip)

I just checked out the instructions on the link. Thanks! Great info! I noticed that there is no soldering involved. But i really dont think i should even attempt to remove the old chip and install the new one. What do you think? Is that something a newbie like me could do?

#54 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Here are some basic install directions for replacing a rom chip in your game.
You should be able to figure out the game rom you are replacing by looking at your MPU board. Perhaps it has a 1.03 sticker on it. Notice the orientation matters (where pin 1 or the notch will be located on the chip)

I just checked out the instructions on the link. Thanks! Great info! I noticed that there is no soldering involved. But i really dont think i should even attempt to remove the old chip and install the new one. What do you think? Is that something a newbie like me could do?

#55 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Here are some basic install directions for replacing a rom chip in your game
You should be able to figure out the game rom you are replacing by looking at your MPU board. Perhaps it has a 1.03 sticker on it. Notice the orientation matters (where pin 1 or the notch will be located on the chip)

I just checked the link and its some great info! Thanks!! Do you think a newbie like me can swap the chips out?

#56 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Wait what? Driving to the computer place? You realize you are going to turn off the game, pop out one chip with your little flat screwdriver and insert the new chip and you are done correct? No driving necessary, and you don't have to take the board out

Sorry i just saw your reply. Wow so is that easy huh? So basically, i just carefully lift the old chip out and insert new one in? No soldering or nothing correct? I was thinking i was going to have to take the board out and have the computer place solder the new chip in. Good thing that is not the case!

#57 3 years ago
Quoted from KornFreak28:

I just checked the link and its some great info! Thanks!! Do you think a newbie like me can swap the chips out?

If you are totally paranoid, label all of the connectors on the wires plugged into the MPU board
unplug them leaving them hanging, remove the board frmo the backpanel (maybe 6-8 screws)
Take the board over to a flat surface like your table, and remove the chip with a small flathead screwdriver.
install the new chip remembering where the notch goes (or take a picture)
put the board back in, plug the connectors and turn on the game.

John shows the whole process in this other link:
http://www.thatpinballplace.com/documents/installing_eproms_de.html

Now enough talking about it, order the chip and get ready

#58 3 years ago
Quoted from KornFreak28:

Sorry i just saw your reply. Wow so is that easy huh? So basically, i just carefully lift the old chip out and insert new one in? No soldering or nothing correct? I was thinking i was going to have to take the board out and have the computer place solder the new chip in. Good thing that is not the case!

Taking the board out of the game is about 100 times more difficult than it is to remove the one chip and put the new one in.

No soldering needed. Just take your time removing the old chip and inserting the new one. Read those two links for tips.

#59 3 years ago

Omg! Good thing you tell me that because i for sure was going to remove that board and have the computer guy install it for me! I thought it was something like removing a diode or resistor that needs desolder and soldering. My bad!

#60 3 years ago
Quoted from KornFreak28:

Why do you say that? Does it get that hard with the new version?

Chad sets the default from easy to hard, if I recall, which means that the game no longer spots you moons with each ball so you no longer get an automatic open death star on ball 3. I prefer this, but my wife did not. At all...

#61 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

If you are totally paranoid, label all of the connectors on the wires plugged into the MPU board
unplug them leaving them hanging, remove the board frmo the backpanel (maybe 6-8 screws)
Take the board over to a flat surface like your table, and remove the chip with a small flathead screwdriver.
install the new chip remembering where the notch goes (or take a picture)
put the board back in, plug the connectors and turn on the game.
John shows the whole process in this other link:

Now enough talking about it, order the chip and get ready

LOL you are right! Time to buy it and install it! Mr. Wart hasnt replied yet. I sent him a pm asking him to sell me the rom. Still waiting. If he doesnt sell it to me or doesn't have some at the moment, is the one at marcospecialties the one i need? Its called "STAR WARS data east EPROM C5 Game 1.04" is this the one i need? Thanks

#62 3 years ago
Quoted from Curbfeeler:

Chad sets the default from easy to hard, if I recall, which means that the game no longer spots you moons with each ball so you no longer get an automatic open death star on ball 3. I prefer this, but my wife did not. At all...

Lol! I can see why she didn't like it. Good thing my wife doesn't really play my Star Wars or Cueball Wizard. Trying to add NBA Fastbreak to my collection. Its hard to justify the expense but she'll get over it!

#63 3 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Taking the board out of the game is about 100 times more difficult than it is to remove the one chip and put the new one in.
No soldering needed. Just take your time removing the old chip and inserting the new one. Read those two links for tips.

You are right. I just need to stop being so scared to mess with the boards. I will post the results once i purchase and install it. Thanks!!!

#64 3 years ago
Quoted from KornFreak28:

Mr. Wart hasnt replied yet. I sent him a pm asking him to sell me the rom. Still waiting.

It looks like it's been less than 24 hours since you emailed him -- give him a chance!

#65 3 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

If you are totally paranoid, label all of the connectors on the wires plugged into the MPU board
unplug them leaving them hanging, remove the board frmo the backpanel (maybe 6-8 screws)
Take the board over to a flat surface like your table, and remove the chip with a small flathead screwdriver.
install the new chip remembering where the notch goes (or take a picture)
put the board back in, plug the connectors and turn on the game.
John shows the whole process in this other link
Now enough talking about it, order the chip and get ready

So just to confirm (since the instructions talk about eproms on the main cpu board and eproms on the display board) the one i need, goes on the main cpu or on the display board? Thanks

#66 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

It looks like it's been less than 24 hours since you emailed him -- give him a chance!

Sure will, no rush...

#67 3 years ago

Dude is gonna make "Pinball Legend" in just one thread...

#68 3 years ago
Quoted from Billy16:

Dude is gonna make "Pinball Legend" in just one thread...

Lol!

#69 3 years ago

Seriously long thread to change a ROM. New record.

For the record, you will stand a much larger chance to breaking something by removing the board than had you swapped a chip in place.

It is literally;
Shut the machine off.
Take off backglass
open door
carefully pry out old chip
carefully insert new chip
close the door
reinstall glass
turn it on
play.

It takes as much if not less time to do as this did to type

The only 2 things you need to do is not pry the chip out with a screw driver while twisting off the etches underneath.
Make sure the notch in the chip is the same location as the one you are change. DO NOT TRUST LABEL ORIENTATION as a guide!!!!

#70 3 years ago
Quoted from Patofnaud:

Seriously long thread to change a ROM. New record.
For the record, you will stand a much larger chance to breaking something by removing the board than had you swapped a chip in place.
It is literally;
Shut the machine off.
Take off backglass
open door
carefully pry out old chip
carefully insert new chip
close the door
reinstall glass
turn it on
play.
It takes as much if not less time to do as this did to type
The only 2 things you need to do is not pry the chip out with a screw driver while twisting off the etches underneath.
Make sure the notch in the chip is the same location as the one you are change. DO NOT TRUST LABEL ORIENTATION as a guide!!!!

Thank you for your help. Sorry about the long tread. I'm new here and new to the pinball world.

#71 3 years ago

Don't be sorry, I find it amusing, 'like funny haha haha amusing' as Pesci would say.

#72 3 years ago

Sorry it took awhile to reply. Some days I'm on pinside more than others. I can appreciate that you're excited

#73 3 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

Sorry it took awhile to reply. Some days I'm on pinside more than others. I can appreciate that you're excited

I sent you a PM. Thanks

#74 3 years ago

Come on John! It's been a whole day! Man you are slacking.

#75 3 years ago

JWJ will look after you no worries. Super helpful and a nice guy to boot. Very busy guy though but all the good guys are. lol.

And Chad deserves our support. He is a the code guru for anything data east. Every game he touches turns out soooo much better for sure! He has free reign to install any updates he likes on any of my games and I am happy to help in any way I can.

I know LW3 has been played with a little but I hope he does something with it. Its a great game that could/would be epic with his 'help'.
Keep up the amazing work Chad.

#76 3 years ago
Quoted from Hawk007:

JWJ will look after you no worries. Super helpful and a nice guy to boot. Very busy guy though but all the good guys are. lol.
And Chad deserves our support. He is a the code guru for anything data east. Every game he touches turns out soooo much better for sure! He has free reign to install any updates he likes on any of my games and I am happy to help in any way I can.
I know LW3 has been played with a little but I hope he does something with it. Its a great game that could/would be epic with his 'help'.
Keep up the amazing work Chad.

Agree

#77 3 years ago

When putting the new chip in, make sure all the pins are in the socket holes, otherwise you will bend a pin or a bunch of pins on the chip.. I have ordered way too many from John to even count at this point, I usually find I have to put the chip pins between my thumb and finger, and squeeze them in a little before installing them, as they are usually too wide.. But again, make sure all pin legs are in the socket hole!!

#78 3 years ago

yeah, prob easier to pull board out and put it in so you don't bend any legs on the chip. 1 leg being off can screw up everything. Good lighting is a must when installing. Very easy just make sure all legs are in sockets before you push it in.

#79 3 years ago

put it in mine about 6 months ago.

#80 3 years ago
Quoted from balboarules:

When putting the new chip in, make sure all the pins are in the socket holes, otherwise you will bend a pin or a bunch of pins on the chip.. I have ordered way too many from John to even count at this point, I usually find I have to put the chip pins between my thumb and finger, and squeeze them in a little before installing them, as they are usually too wide.. But again, make sure all pin legs are in the socket hole!!

Thanks!!!

#81 3 years ago
Quoted from ccbiggsoo7:

yeah, prob easier to pull board out and put it in so you don't bend any legs on the chip. 1 leg being off can screw up everything. Good lighting is a must when installing. Very easy just make sure all legs are in sockets before you push it in.

Agree

#82 3 years ago

And since I learned this the hard way years ago, when removing a chip, as you pry it off, whatever you are using (I use a ultra tiny flat head screwdriver), gently put it between the chip and the socket, only a very small amount, and twist to lift it up to get it started, BUT do NOT put the screwdriver in on an angle, if you do you will scrape the board and the chip will not read correctly.. I learned that the hard way on a Judge Dredd about 10 years ago.

#83 3 years ago

Or you could order a chip puller, always good to have one around.

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#84 3 years ago

Best way to pull a socketed chip? Use the right tool. Pull with even pressure.

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#85 3 years ago
Quoted from balboarules:

And since I learned this the hard way years ago, when removing a chip, as you pry it off, whatever you are using (I use a ultra tiny flat head screwdriver), gently put it between the chip and the socket, only a very small amount, and twist to lift it up to get it started, BUT do NOT put the screwdriver in on an angle, if you do you will scrape the board and the chip will not read correctly.. I learned that the hard way on a Judge Dredd about 10 years ago.

Thanks so much for that info!

#86 3 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Best way to pull a socketed chip? Use the right tool. Pull with even pressure.
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Thanks! Will def buy one!

#87 3 years ago

Make sure to touch the side rail first to discharge any static charge you may have. No need to remove the board. You risk more damage that way. SUPER EASY to change chips. Just take your time and have lots of light. There is also a leg straightener you can buy for cheap that makes all the legs at 90 degrees and makes insertion a snap. I have done too many to count.
Relax and just do it. No need to over think this. And worst case if you screw up its only an eprom and they are cheap.

When removing ...TAKE YOUR TIME..use even pressure and lift each end a little at a time to jar it loose as they can be tight sometimes.. Almost like slowly rocking the chip out. Haven't damaged a chip yet in 20 years.
Good luck!

#88 3 years ago
Quoted from Hawk007:

Make sure to touch the side rail first to discharge any static charge you may have. No need to remove the board. You risk more damage that way. SUPER EASY to change chips. Just take your time and have lots of light. There is also a leg straightener you can buy for cheap that makes all the legs at 90 degrees and makes insertion a snap. I have done too many to count.
Relax and just do it. No need to over think this. And worst case if you screw up its only an eprom and they are cheap.
When removing ...TAKE YOUR TIME..use even pressure and lift each end a little at a time to jar it loose as they can be tight sometimes.. Almost like slowly rocking the chip out. Haven't damaged a chip yet in 20 years.
Good luck!

Thanks for your help! I just ordered the rom from John today! Will do what you just said, take my time and lift little by little. My question is: when you install the new one, do you hear a "click"? Or how can you tell for sure its in there the right way? I dont want to power on the machine until i know for sure the rom its installed properly. Thanks

#89 3 years ago

On the chip there is a notch on one side, put chip in with the notch facing the same way . I just did Jurassic Park the notch was on the right hand side put a small blade screw driver under the notch lift gently. As others have said make sure the new legs line up, you may need to adjust the legs once lined up push gently till aĺl flush ..

J

#90 3 years ago
Quoted from nick64:

On the chip there is a notch on one side, put chip in with the notch facing the same way . I just did Jurassic Park the notch was on the right hand side put a small blade screw driver under the notch lift gently. As others have said make sure the new legs line up, you may need to adjust the legs once lined up push gently till aĺl flush ..
J

Thanks!

#91 3 years ago

There isn't a "click" or any other audible clue to let you know that it's in fully or correctly. Look at the one you're taking out before you remove it. The new one should look similar once it's in. Essentially, you put in and gently press it in, evenly, across the length of the chip. It will only go in so far so once it's in, it's in.

#92 3 years ago
Quoted from egyptrus:

There isn't a "click" or any other audible clue to let you know that it's in fully or correctly. Look at the one you're taking out before you remove it. The new one should look similar once it's in. Essentially, you put in and gently press it in, evenly, across the length of the chip. It will only go in so far so once it's in, it's in.

Thanks!!

#93 3 years ago

No worries happy to help.

As mentioned above......It will be obvious after you do it the first time. It just snugly fits in there. Just line up the notch and the legs and press evenly and carefully until it starts to go in and then bottom it out in the socket and BAM way you go.
Easy peasy lemon squeesy...lol
PM me should you have any trouble.
You can always practice on an old board if you have one with any socketed chips on it but no need to over think it. Exercise caution and you will be fine.
Using lots of light is key for first timers. No such thing as too much light when working on things like this.

#94 3 years ago

Another tip...if the 2 rows of pins on the new chip are spread a little to far apart they won't go into the sockets. If that's the case take the new chip and put it on it's side on the pf glass, a row of pins and with a slight roll pressure bend the row of pins inward, be VERY careful, it doesn't take much. Repeat with the other side. Does someone have a vid of the procedure?

#95 3 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

Another tip...if the 2 rows of pins on the new chip are spread a little to far apart they won't go into the sockets. If that's the case take the new chip and put it on it's side on the pf glass, a row of pins and with a slight roll pressure bend the row of pins inward, be VERY careful, it doesn't take much. Repeat with the other side. Does someone have a vid of the procedure?

Yea I told him about the tool to do that. Its about 3 to 5 bucks and straightens chip legs perfectly to exactly 90 degrees. It does narrow on one side and wide on the other side up to 40 pin chips .
Its a 'must have' tool like the chip puller. Screwdrivers are not to be used as they can damage the minute traces

#96 3 years ago
Quoted from nick64:

On the chip there is a notch on one side, put chip in with the notch facing the same way . I just did Jurassic Park the notch was on the right hand side put a small blade screw driver under the notch lift gently. As others have said make sure the new legs line up, you may need to adjust the legs once lined up push gently till aĺl flush ..
J

I learned this the hard way. Put a new game code chip in around the wrong way. When I put it back in, the game had errors. I ended up replacing the chip and no freezing images on the display after that.

#97 3 years ago
Quoted from Hawk007:

No worries happy to help.
As mentioned above......It will be obvious after you do it the first time. It just snugly fits in there. Just line up the notch and the legs and press evenly and carefully until it starts to go in and then bottom it out in the socket and BAM way you go.
Easy peasy lemon squeesy...lol
PM me should you have any trouble.
You can always practice on an old board if you have one with any socketed chips on it but no need to over think it. Exercise caution and you will be fine.
Using lots of light is key for first timers. No such thing as too much light when working on things like this.

I appreciate that!

#98 3 years ago
Quoted from ahdelarge:

I learned this the hard way. Put a new game code chip in around the wrong way. When I put it back in, the game had errors. I ended up replacing the chip and no freezing images on the display after that.

Thanks for the tip! Good info!

#99 3 years ago
Quoted from Hawk007:

Yea I told him about the tool to do that. Its about 3 to 5 bucks and straightens chip legs perfectly to exactly 90 degrees. It does narrow on one side and wide on the other side up to 40 pin chips .
Its a 'must have' tool like the chip puller. Screwdrivers are not to be used as they can damage the minute traces

Thanks! I'll look for it on ebay!

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