You know it's funny, everyone has been stroking to their "dream themes" for years here, tons of threads aboot them all the time since way before my time. And now that they're actually happening I think it's hard to match the sticky sheets peeps have been dreaming aboot.

It's almost like you gotta play'em to see how they play.

Well there you go, 2 people

Didn't like it, sold it in a couple months...so you can at least add that to you list of unbiased non love

It's hard to just say one way or the other "people don't like it/people love it."
I agree with ice you can have people hate it because it doesn't meet their middle aged masturbatory ideas they had in their theme whore mind. Or, you can just not like it for real reasons. Whom knows.

And SW is ground zero for this one now. Besides all the replacement, ghosting, & code concern (all legit), A lot was it didn't look they way it wanted to, "I always imagined an AT-AT would be there wouldn't that be cool?" "holy cow you want me to multiply things and hit a 3rd button" turn offs before you touch the goddamn thing.

because great rules, great feel, Lawlor lay...er Borg layout.

Yep that it gobbled up the BOM has been talked aboot.

That was my first thought

Probably just because it's Star Wars...also probably because people still want to believe it isn't just a total screw job on the costumer.

You might be failing business 101 too

Spoilers

Well I assume it's just fine since I'm the only one that downvotes anyone that types it. It's the worst...yes worse that *shrug*

Well you have your players on one side, and your diaper rubbers on the other.

Well not at work anyway

Well you sound like a player if you don't know the diff'rence. You sound upset but this is kind of a real thing...I think we even used to have a whole foxworthy "you might be a Pinsider if..." type thing going at some point.
My guess is you think most people would say they are a player when in fact that isn't the case. You have a sustantial number of people that enjoy the tinkering & fixing more than playing. The newer breed are even more so interested in modding even before playing.

So it's not really as outlandish as you're making it sound.

I read it as 20 players in this thread, as he mentions Pinside separately after

And the crushed dreams, the childhood ruining, the way they should have have made it just the way people envisioned it yada yada..,..tear city

My favorite Stern machine

YEAH! I mean unless it's you and GB then it's OK...cause ya know that's kind of "a thing."

EDIT: True thing though

What would you like us to call you? Traitor, liar, Turncoat?!!?

God what advertising?

8,000

Uff my Damn fine Subie onky went for 7!

Good lord

Want to get excited to buy a game? Go check the picture section at Stern...friikkin low ass quality 300x300 pixel pictures no zoom wtf? That's the kind of shit that's just pathetic.

You'd be amazed how long points have been involved in pinball.

Well I wonder if we know enough, or the code knows enough, to really know whether it is organic or not (Full Disclosure - I HAVE NOT played this once).

GOT is another 'Math Rock' game, but since I know it well I can see it's...organics? I'm not explaining in depth or trying to make you like it, not every game is for everyone, just explaining how it might make more sense then you'd think.
Anyway, by completing modes, you light the sword shot that awards you a sword...let's call it an Elven gift if that helps This gift allows you to increase the Playfield Multiplier. There you have it, further progression in the game, more progressive points.

Some parts are "new" for sure, more like a combination of parts that are old. "Playfield" multipliers, shot multipliers, these are not new ideas I just don't think they've been put together before (although some smart ass will bud in).

Truth

I can totally understand that, but what do we care aboot what joe average thinks? I'm just trying to figure out what machine you're raging against. Do you dislike the game because it's a rip off with nothing on the PF? Or because it's based completely on points? That's it's hard for newbs to understand? Or all those things?
It's an instesting point system, and I don't think every game should work the same, so what's wrong with games being diff'rent?
Or again, just a collection of all those mixed up?

Haha i'd get that popcorn ready to see how cool this one thing on the premium is

Which one has more potatoes, and do the Elvin gifts include sour cream?

Just using it in the phrase not that you were actually raging. We replaced "raging" with "corn-raging anyway."

Yes I remember it...the "good ol days" of LEs

It's a reference to a certain(t) banned pinsider.

What the F*&( are you smoking?

Ah so I can grab one for 4K, a half pricer? that be sweet. Maybe after non of them sell

Well for 2 reasons. People are afraid of too many buttons for some reason now And I don't know if Stern PFs can survive magna-Saves

Hey-O!

They do? Can you walk in a get a NIB MET for $4300?

I really don't know.
Actually it would be a bit more than 4300 as my MET was the original before they changed to LED.

Wow where are those deals? I haven't played in a year and I'm still under 1000

Well that hyperspace loop loops some balls around in a circle.

Better get a move on

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Agreed

Hmmm...boy I think a well working General Yagoff still might be tops.

Wwll in those games defense they were cheaper back then.

Never screwed around with mine and it's great.

Hmm...I'd have to agree with you there. No tweaking at all that I can remember.

hahahaa yeah it's umm...got a bunch of shit strewn aboot in there.

Whom cares aboot strategy? I would think lots of people actually.

Oh jesus not the flow shit again.

Ladies and gentleman, Pinside.

Go on....

Yes that is your fault indeed. You have 3 SR Sterns so you obviously like his style so I don't know why you would freak out. Have the complaints are aboot the scoring which is similar to your GOT.

Oh and when you have time can you change your collection from the prem/LE to the pro please

Spoilers, they're F&*%ing rich dude.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/im-addicted-to-pinball-and-need-help

We're trying

That's a shame...you should play some pinball machines made before 1980.

Yes that's what I mean....you should play them now.

Well with Kieth & Zach working at Stern now you might prepare yourself for little more of this.

This topic has come up before, I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
With themes that people stroke themselves to, they somehow feel that game should be very simple and easy to understand and dumbed-down. Maybe it's because they liked these themes as a child so it should follow suite? I really don't have any idea.
What makes Ironman a good theme for being kicked in the nuts? BSD is an asscranker because like, vampires are mean? Barb Wire sucks because the movie sucked...well actually that's a fair point.
ACDC is basically a mode-less game with not a ton of adventuring qualities, that's entire point structure is based on risk versus rewards for building jackpots right?

And as always, it's only a hardcore tournament player if you want it to be, which is basically every machine ever built.
You don't want to worry aboot the multipliers, don't, Just shoot and have fun. You don;t have to pay any attention to them in GOT to progress through the modes/stories and get to the wizard modes.

I also find it strange people keep bringing up points like this. What does a machine not made for the masses of people have to do with you, as a player enjoying it? I dislike GB because I owned it and it wasn't fun to play. Never did I once think "Boy Stern missed a big chance to reach out to John Q Public on this one." And even if I did, it would never come up as a reason not to like it.

I don't see this as a cargument, I see it as a very confusing angle to take. Pinball is not new, Star Wars pinballs are not new, making very hard games are not new. How is this anything like what you're talking aboot?

haven't played it yet actually.

I hope you're not referring to yourself because I don't have one bad thing to say aboot you.

Saying a 7 year old understands it is probably just as valid as saying "A bunch of Pinsiders hate it." I know we take ourselves very seriously but I don't think this is the scientific group we'd like to think. Most of the "hate" I see coming is in 2 camps; monetary & dream journals. Normal people in the wild don't care aboot the price of a game vs how many "things" it has in it, so I don't really know how that turns off new customers. The other half or more wanted an At At to pop out of the middle or whatever shit they had been imagining when they curl up in their star wars sheets at night.

Maybe it could have been better, haven't had the time on it to tell, and I don't really care if the masses "get it" at all. The masses have voted and they love South Park the most and TZ the least.
I guess you are "just an average pinball joe on the street" that owns 4 machines and spends time on a pinball forum
I don't know if I can trust you to be impartial.

But whatever we're just talking aboot it no big whoop

The only thing more common in SW universe than a Tie Fighter getting it's wing blown off is someone losing a hand.
I don't even know if you can blame Stern on this one...always been a design flaw on the Tie Fighter.

Huh?

They've had multipliers in games for a long time...including your Tron & Met.

No I have not, very familiar with GOT so looking forward to seeing how it works. I didn't see anything overly annoying on the streams so far.

Strategy holmes...it's in every game

haha damn a throwback post!

It isn't, you're just no goo.....well you just haven't taken the time to learn it. It's actually very simple. I'll talk you through it
BASICS
Each area has 4 modes in it. To light the modes shoot the matching color insert & area. IE left ramp is Endor, scoop is Tatioone etc.
This lights the modes for each area. Completing the 3 modes unlocks up the 4th mode, which is a multiball.
If you have more than 1 area unlocked you can do 2 modes at the same time from 2 diff'rent areas. Each shot needed to complete modes will be lit in the color of the area, green for hoth orange for tatooine etc. <--- this might be turned off, and you can only do one at a time...even eaiser!

There is also MBs for destroying Tie Fighters. This is a running tally you can look at anytime in the instant info.

There, that wasn't hard was it?

Did you really learn everything aboot IJ or CFTBL in 30 plays? Probably not. The shots you need are all color coded.

Multipliers.

You can completely ignore these if you'd like whilst learning...they only affect score.

EVERY TIME you hit the 3 bank your multiplier increases. The green X arrows indicate which shots points will be multiplied with the multiplier #. The higher the multiplier gets, the fewer shots are green. You can move them around by hitting the action button and hitting flipper button (they will turn red meaning they are not active) & then using the action button again to turn them on; making them green.
If you don't hit the 3 bank after a period of time, the multiplier falls back to 2. the beeping sound you hear a lot is your multilier running out...the Green X inserts will be blinking also.

2 ways to MB
1. Get the the 4th level of any area.
You'll notice which character you choose has a diff'rent number of missions you DON'T have to complete in an area. So if you pick someone that has both missions 1 & 2 completed in an area, you'll only have to complete the 3rd in irde to light MB.Of course the mission go from easy to hard with the numbers. Make sure to READ the screen before the mode starts for instructions....buuuut the colored lights will always be lit also.

2. Tie Fighters
Tie fighters are lit on 3 bank and a running kill meter is in play. So every once in awhile the tie fighter will be lit and flashing telling you to hit it. When you do, everytime you hit the action button you 1 tie fighter...I believe the first Tie Fighter MB is are 35 destroyed. You can also choose "destroy 5 tie fighters at launch of your ball to help.

You can't master it in a day. Learn the basics and then move to the next thing.
Overall there's a lot of stuff going on for sure, that's what makes it fun. Good luck.