Geddy - "living in a bubble DUDE"? Are you serious? How old are you 10? Take my "bubble" and replace it with your trailer and then we would have you in upstate. Congratulations. I would start focusing on someone who cares about you or your opinion. No need to personally attack me for no reason but I'm sure as hell going to respond to your nonsense.

I can also buy and sell as much as I want - why would anyone care what others do (although it's pretty obvious why you would - nothing else going on for you which is sad). Since you asked, it's actually worked incredibly well. More than I could have imagined.

STLE owner here, looking forward to this if they have new code & improved light shows for the premium+ using RGB, & fix the left lower "bar" of light on the DMD during Vengeance mode.

Carry on.

It’s the same machine. No upgrades from the previous versions.

Personally, I don’t mind this re-release. And while we’re on topic, question for you Star Trek owners:

I own a Star Wars Pro and a Game of Thrones Premium. Both fan layout games, both Steve Ritchie designs. I have room for 1 (maybe 2) more game(s). Does Star Trek differ enough from my current Stern lineup, or would I be better off going for a game from a different designer?

I love the theme, but I also want variation in my pin collection as it grows.

What you need is a TWD.

Don’t get the drama, hoping this gets us a code update.

Bring on TRON next tho plz.

Compromise? Maybe ST layout with 1982 TRON theme and sounds?

I’m glad for the st ve. Although they should update code and change the translights, and maybe a few tweaks like luci. Just wish there was a Stern credit division

This is odd...

I see requests for Tron and TWD.

Star trek.... None.

Stern knows they can keep TRON VE (a surefire seller) in their pocket for a rainy day thanks to the success of IMDN, and why ST? Low effort probably. Great game, good seller, evergreen license, throw a little software at it and sell a couple hundred more, why not?

Stern will not put any game on the line for less than a run of 500 units

Okay; “...sell five hundred more, why not?”

So are you saying you don't think the will do TRON VE because it won't sell 500 units? or are you saying if they do TRON VE it will be at least 500 units

I think it's more along the lines of someone just making up stuff as stern does runs of less then 500 units all the time.

Wasn't Star Trek Stern's last pin to stop being produced? Maybe it's just a matter of not having to do much re-training of people or retooling of the line to get this thing going again. Sure a few pins might have slightly more demand, but the cost of getting them going again might eat up any additional profits to be made.

Plus outside the pinball hardcore world, the Star Trek franchise is 1000x more popular than Tron.. isn’t that where the money is?

TWD or Met pro would be better

I’m not one to talk about variety since I own 4 John Borg pins 5 at one point, I also had three SR pins with SM, STLE and AcDc Premium. It’s possible to own another SR pin if you want but I’d suggest at least one Brog (Tron, IM, TWD or Met).

It is not just making stuff up a NIB I bought some yr's back was marked ### of 500 I do not remember my games number. Even there LE games 500 units. The cost of 100 playfields vs 500 playfields far less per unit when producing 500

So yea, in DI if the kicker misses the ball it gives a virtual save. How hard is that to figure out?

I won’t buy another ST until Stern does some bug fixes.

I think this pin is a bit under rated. It is big fun, got to say.

never give up hope.

Star Trek – We’ve done a bug fix update that will coincide with our recently announced vault release. This code update will work on all Star Trek models.

http://www.sternpinball.com/community/stern-of-the-union-address-june-2018

Sucks the game has been out 5 years and they’re sitting on bug fixes.

Never been so pleased to be wrong!

yes, +1 of course
even more when GB & KISS are also on the list...

So does anyone have confirmed pricing?

It is sad that there is no good SW pin, IMHO

I think it's safe to say now that this update is the final update. Nothing more coming.

I love the theme, would love to own this pin as well

I sense you are now less than thrilled with the choice?

I'm thinking of grabbing one but reviews seem mixed. I know I'll need to play some pins, but on location can make it difficult to really understand the game.

No further code (if true ) may be a check in the negative column, although really, seems like every newish pin is lacking in that department somehow from what I read.

So, was it a good choice for you?

Reviews seem mixed? My recommendation would be to put a HUGE asterisk* on anyone bashing Star Trek who has less than 1 year experience in the hobby.

Yeah, I see a few "boring", "modes the same", type stuff. I've never played, so just looking for insight.

I see it ranked very high, but then again, lots of people like to justify a big purchase, so trying to do my research.

It is a lot of money for sure. I'm sure other vets will agree that your best bet is to get out there and play the games. Find out what YOU like and then take the risk. If you go by Pinside scores exclusively then you end up with cookie cutter collections that aren't very interesting. 95% of pinball machines are interesting and fun, go with what appeals to you.

I sold my STLE which I had for 3 years, I thought there were better games for me like Woz or SM but ST is (IMO) a top tier game all around. The modes were really similar shoot the lit shots, but then that can be said of anything like LotR, DI, Tspp, SM (etc.) they all are shoot the lit shots. But maybe because there are so many ST modes that you can get numb to them just by their sheer number.

If you have a small collection, I think ST would be excellent because you can learn the strategies and experiment with the Away Team and also with going three deep or not. There is a lot to do way more than SM, but since I have such a large collection I didn't get to spend as much time on ST to really see all there was to do. I just think you need to spend a lot of time playing it to appreciate it. Some other games like SM or DI you can just jump in and have a few quick games on.

I would recommend ST more in a small collection because there *is* so much to do, but in a large collection and I don't play that much it seemed to be neglected when I could play other games like IM or Tron or SM.

I think (for me) and I sold LotR too because of this, that ST seemed more work. Not meaning it's bad but if you don't have the time to put in to playing a lot you might not appreciate it as much as some more shallow pins.

Wow, great summation! Thank you. That made things much clearer for me. 3 years is a pretty long time considering I see games selling after just a month or two (or 50 plays), so that says something right there.

I agree. Of the limited games I've played, some of the top dogs don't really do much for me at first play.

On location will offer it's own issues though, besides the endless drain on my wallet - proximity noise and distraction, or simply being in the excitement of a game room vs my basement.

Eh, I'll play what I can and go from there.

Thanks.

I think if you have the time and will play the game a lot you can get a lot more from ST. I think if it was a small collection a game like Tron or IM would get old fast but having a large collection, I can have a game that doesn't get played for a month or more. So those games like Tron or IM will stay around.

I had both ST and SM at the same time, sold SM kept ST. Later I got SM back and sold ST. The two are similar in layout and don't think would be great in the same collection, but each one is great in it's own right.

I replaced STLE with WoZ RR and it's such a different experience, but if you are debating ST it's not a bad idea to get one, it's a great pin.

I don't like the shows or movies at all, but bought a ST Pro after playing it at a show. It's a great game, and one of the most fully featured Pro's that Stern has done. I suppose the rules could be construed as linear if you do the same modes in the same order every time, but the game does not force you to do that.

I'd consider it a great machine for a new/1 machine person, since the 3rd flipper and extra ramp give it some good variety.

The modes can be selected which is nice and you can change up the order as you wish.

My only beef was minor, suppose you are doing save the Enterprise or any scene. You can be in that scene and then jump to different scene like Nero. It’s fine but the story seems fuzzy because you are not competing a scene just the first third of a scene and jumping to an entirely different scene.

Other modes that I’m aware of such as DI, LotR, Tspp, IJ and so on you complete a scene don’t stop in the middle of a scene. If you were force to do 1-2-3 in a row it would make a lot more sense as a complete scene but would also force you on rails or more linear.

However beauty it’s up to you, you can jump around or you can complete all in a row whatever you feel like. I believe GB forces you to do a whole scene ladder and people complain GB is very linear.

Can someone tell me the legit price of new ST?

Pro
Premium

So to be clear - there are NO changes in this vault?

Is it just another run of the pro/premium models?

Maybe playfield rails for pro?

That's the wording in the release -- "unchanged".

This. Vault or NOS.

Does anyone know when the Premiums will be shipping?

I heard mid July from my distributor.

What kind of price is the premium?

$7499?

http://www.sternpinball.com/games/star-trek/pre