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Star Trek Next Gen - Dead and Adrift Sending Distress Signal

By RTR

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

Any help is appreciated! Ok - I used to have a random reset issue with this machine. I put it in storage for a while and when it came out - now I got nothin'. It makes no sound when I power it on, nothing on the dmd. It has a rottendog board in it, that was either put in by the previous owner or by Chris Hutchens when he restored this pin. Here is what the LEDs look like when I flip it on:

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#2 5 years ago

I restored that game in 2006?12 years ago so there weren’t any Rottendog driver boards at that time but I do see in the picture that it looks like the CPU is not booting.
Try reseating the ribbon cables and other connections between the driver and CPU.
From what I can tell that small ribbon cable might be upside down if the red stripe isn’t on the bottom.

Edited that. Talking about the small ribbon that goes from the driver to the CPU. Also make sure none are a row off.

#3 5 years ago

Thanks Chris! OK, so I re-seated all of the ribbon cables. the short ribbon cable (circled in yellow) did have the red stripe in the bottom position. I believe all the LEDs stayed the same when I turned it back on. No change in symptoms - no sound, no dmd, etc.

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#4 5 years ago

Yes. Nothing is going to happen until the CPU boots up
The CPU LEDs are all three solid.
When it boots the sequence is different.
One stays on one blinks and the other is off.
Why the CPU isn’t booting at power up can be isolated be as simple as a ribbon cable or other connector being off or more complex if there is a problem with the CPU itself.

#5 5 years ago

How are the batteries? Any green anywhere on them or the chips under?

#6 5 years ago

Battery compartment looks good. But for kicks, I turned the machine on without the batteries and the middle LED blinked off a couple of times about 5 seconds apart. But then resumed it's 3 lit LED as above.

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#7 5 years ago

The ribbon cable is one row off. Look at the picture

#8 5 years ago

Sure is

#9 5 years ago

Ha! You got me! I even pulled that off and put it back on. OK, so now when I power up I actually got some lights and sounds - but it does

#10 5 years ago
Quoted from RTR:

Ha! You got me! I even pulled that off and put it back on. OK, so now when I power up I actually got some lights and sounds - but it does

It is intermittently booting.
When it boots the LED sequence on the CPU is correct and the lights come on then it cuts out.
You may have a low voltage situation or might just need to fish around a bit more with the connectors.
It is probably something simple but I have seen problems like this trace all the way back to to wiring and power service in the home itself.
Might be worth getting the Kahr reset fix since you stated that was a prior issue.

#11 5 years ago

Shouldnt be a prob with rottendog board. But id check the actual voltages at the test points to be sure.

#12 5 years ago

I am going to order that Kahr daughterboard tonight - for STTNG, TZ, and TOM. Great suggestion!

OK, more progress. The intermittent re-setting (while not playing the game) like in the video above - stopped when I put the dmd back in place and turned the machine on. That does make me think I have a connecter or something loose somewhere since repositioning the DMD affects the boot up. However now 2 additional things are happening:

Error code: Soundboard Interface Error (and no sound)

And I can load a ball and launch it, but as soon as it drops into the hole at the top of the playfield - it resets.

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#13 5 years ago

Last pics and then time for bed. Thanks to everyone who has been looking. Does this ground and everything look right? The DMD 'sits' on the end of the braid and can be seen at the bottom front of it when it is replaced in it's slot.

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#14 5 years ago

The ground is fine. It looks like it has a newer style plastic speaker panel(WPC-95)so nothing to ground there.
Normally there would be a metal channel which is what the ground braid originally went to.
It's been 12 years but I never like to see anything I worked on in distress if I can help.
Since you are starting to make some progress and mention the sound recheck the ribbon cable that runs from the CPU,to the Fliptronic,sound and dot controller.
That might be suspect as well.
You now know what to look for in terms of proper placement of the ribbon cable and it can be really hard to spot sometimes.

#15 5 years ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

ight be worth getting the Kahr reset fix since you stated that was a prior issue.

<Sigh> I will never agree with this method of a "fix" You already have a new power board, this leaves only the connector to the power board, the Z connectors, the connector at J210 of the CPU and the J210 header pins 4 and 5 as potential problems.

Reflow J201 pins 4 and 5 and re-punch the CPU power IDC connectors at all 4 points and you will likely be fine.

WARNING: a rant is coming...
FWIW, my STTNG is running on the original 25 year old PDB, with the original capacitors and all original wiring ... including the Z connectors that a lot of folks bypass. The machine was engineered to run this way, and it's not a design flaw as these machines didn't random reboot when they were new, and there is no reason they should require a hack to work now!

#16 5 years ago
Quoted from RTR:

Error code: Soundboard Interface Error (and no sound)

This is usually a ribbon cable issue, I would double check ALL of your ribbon cables.

#17 5 years ago
Quoted from Pin_Guy:

&lt;Sigh&gt; I will never agree with this method of a "fix" You already have a new power board, this leaves only the connector to the power board, the Z connectors, the connector at J210 of the CPU and the J210 header pins 4 and 5 as potential problems.
Reflow J201 pins 4 and 5 and re-punch the CPU power IDC connectors at all 4 points and you will likely be fine.
WARNING: a rant is coming...
FWIW, my STTNG is running on the original 25 year old PDB, with the original capacitors and all original wiring ... including the Z connectors that a lot of folks bypass. The machine was engineered to run this way, and it's not a design flaw as these machines didn't random reboot when they were new, and there is no reason they should require a hack to work now!

I agree on some level and do not install them on games here but what I have found is that there are power grid problems in some homes that just require it.
I sent a famous actor two games
One was a WPC and the other a WPC-95
both with freshly serviced driver boards and fully tested.
First thing he says is that they look great but both “shut down” when he is playing them.
Long story short he did not have the voltage present at the wall to keep the games from resetting. It was verified by an electrician.
Another time I personally delivered a TAF to a local in the winter same and he was trouble free then once summer came around he started asking about resets.
It was the power draw of his A/C system dipping the voltage. Installed the fix and never heard from him again.
This is what you may not be considering when thinking of the application of the Kahr as a hack. It is something I have experienced several times and all times this was the best and easiest solution if you live in a trouble spot. Some do.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from RTR:

Last pics and then time for bed. Thanks to everyone who has been looking. Does this ground and everything look right?

Not really, you have a quick disconnect that's connected to nothing, there should be no quick disconnects on the ground lines and the picture doesnt show where any of the speaker panel ground connections land.

My machine only has a single ground on the speaker panel that goes to the DMD display.

#19 5 years ago

Good info Pin_Guy - I can't get to the basement tonight, but will check on these things in the morning. Thank you for the advice - I hope you didn't you didn't use that avatar pic just for me....

#20 5 years ago

When my STTNG sits for long periods (owned for 10 years- it doesn't sit too long too often), I tend to get game resets and and maybe a few random multi balls. Invariably, reseating the main ribbon cables and the flipper power connectors resolves things every single time.

Also, if you haven't done so, buy a powered external sub with a crossover and volume control. Its the best.

2 weeks later
#21 5 years ago
Quoted from holminone:

When my STTNG sits for long periods (owned for 10 years- it doesn't sit too long too often), I tend to get game resets and and maybe a few random multi balls. Invariably, reseating the main ribbon cables and the flipper power connectors resolves things every single time.

Your game likely has corroded headers/connectors, possibly from exceeding their life expectancy; every time these connectors are taken off and replaced is two mechanical actions against the life expectancy of the part. Both the connectors and header pins were rated to have a life expectancy of 50 cycles...any more than that and the parts plating is expected to be compromised.

The permanent fix is to replace the parts you are reseating.

1 year later
#22 4 years ago

Captains Log: Supplemental: The origin of the mystery resets were never discovered, however, installation of the Kahr WPC Power Fix Pro Daughterboard has completely resolved all operational problems. Game plays 100% now!

Seriously - I did not think this would work. Seemed way too simple. I bought one about a year ago and just tossed it in a drawer. Was thinking about selling STTNG and installed the Kahr thing as a last ditch effort. Boom! Works!

#23 4 years ago

This is not a fix, but it should get you to the next spaceport.

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from Pin_Guy:

This is not a fix, but it should get you to the next spaceport.

I was careful not to say that it is fixed, only that it is working!

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