I'm really hoping there's a memory option for the kickback like in NGG.

Ed, in the video I heard someone ask "when are you going to start shipping these". It sounded like the answer was "next week. Monday is a very big day for us". Is that what was said?

I thought Hulk was the best looking game when it was first shown...........

I was told production on the LEs might start Monday. I don't know who was talking behind me, but it wasn't to me. I'm guessing LEs won't start shipping stateside until next month.

I need a pay raise. Bad.

Excellent point, This has been a hectic STLE adventure. I hope they will complete the code on it as well as ACDC. I can't remember the last code that was completed, perhaps Spiderman is the closest?

Tron is complete.

Unbelievable.

The "King of Bling" backs out of his order of the most bling'd out Stern LE ever released...because of a VUK change.

Totally agree. I'm not sure what else they could possibly do to Tron's code to make it any better than it sits, without adding things to the playfield.

Ah see I didn't know the vuk changed. Here are the pics comparing them.

startrek original vuk.PNG

startrek new vuk.PNG

the ball return on the pro will be a lot faster, no VUK to go around, better flow.

I'm with you on that! lol Maybe 2 or 3 scales up too

I think you are forgetting a few things.

Full mirrored back glass always looks better then a Pro/Premium translite.

Shield indicators on the apron look very nice and will tie into gameplay.

The VUK to the in lane will still be cool for combos as sometimes the eject kickout on the pro sends the ball into the top of the slingshot and out of control.

Speaker panel looms way better on the LE over the pro/premium

Warm ramp chaser LEDs look nice.

More game controlled motion of the Vengence as opposed to the AFM like effect on the Pro.

All these thing added up and the LE future value seems to me a no brainier for someone like you who has a ton of money into their collection yes is worried about a lack if perceived value between the 2 versions.

The premium version seems like an even worse way to go since you won't be getting the full light show effects.

Bought a Pro and now have more cash free for a MM ; )

I beg to differ. 90% of the light show will be in the Premium, including the Apron shields.

Ya that 1/2 second is really gonna kill the flow.

The VUK return will be much smoother then when the eject kicks the ball into the top of the slingshot and puts it out of control.

No side rail lasers inside or outside, no light up enterprise, side back box or speaker lighting, also the speaker panel looks way better.

IMO the LE looks much better and will be worth the extra $$$ for the effects.

Bad move...no offense. I listened to SR twice and at the .38 sec he states that the vuk didn't work well at the low voltage BUT, the vuk can now kick out to the playfield; OR up the curl to the wireform. I can't think of any vuk off hand that does double duty like that. That's innovation. That's SR. This pin is state of the art at current level. With code; above the norm.

There is no wireform now....

wireform
startrek original vuk.PNG

The new pic from seeing SR talk about the LE
startrek new vuk.PNG

It is now just a scoop to the left flipper ramp.

That's external bling.

But still part of the light show.

Eh.

Not more the 10%.

Besides, not in the market till next year, so LE was never an option.

Premiums will be made last, have all the game of the LE, 90% of the light show, the major kinks worked out.

Really? The biggest light show ever in any pinball ever made and the LE light show 'barely' has an advantage over its pro?

Stock, the difference is huge. I agree. But when I'm done, the difference will be a lot less.

Congo, 1996.

I actually do love bling but not so much factory bling. A lot of the visual choices made at the factory are not the same ones I'd make. Adding it yourself provides a more self satisfying end result.

I generally buy the LE vs the pro based solely on playability changes. I will handle the cosmetic differences myself. I don't need sterns help on that. In this case, the two play differences are the VuK and the kickback. The kickback is nice but the left outlane is designed to be a ball magnet just like getaway and sttng. I prefer the pro nudge posts to this. That leaves only the VuK. When it shot the ball forward, it was a game changer. Now that the ball comes back towards left flipper, its not much different then the pro in regards to flow.

Same logic on Metallica. I went pro since the game play was same and I felt hammer mech made the game play worse, after having the LE in my house. Xmen, I went LE due to night crawler mainly and am glad I did. Avengers was due to cross ramp. Acdc was due to drop targets and lower pf. Here, I'm just not finding the differences worthy. I actually prefer the look of ultra clear plastic ramps to wire forms as well.

Pro has lots of potential out of the box. Ill snap some pics and video when I'm done.

Oh, but in this case you most certainly do. Your comparison to MET doesn't fly here (MET I can understand).

You really think you are going to put the side LED strip in the outer side armor and inside the cabinet yourself? Or the Star Trek backlit emblems on both sides of the head? Or the laser cut backlit Enterprise on the side armor near the flipper buttons?

I don't think so. But good luck with that.

Keep telling yourself that.

Wow, Mark has certainly bought enough games to have a solid feel for them including having owned the Pro. At this point folks will just have to live and learn.

I have no idea how to interpret what you are saying here.

He bought the pro, and liked it so much, he immediately decided to buy STLE. So what's your point? What do we have to live and learn exactly?

I'm with MarkMon on this one. Across the board.

Met pro is a better player than LE. (I own LE)

ACDC premium/LE is better than pro

Xmen LE is better than pro (sorry SKB...)

Avengers LE is better than pro

I haven't played Star Trek yet (none in NZ yet) but from what I have seen the pro looks to be the way to go.

Kickback lanes ARE ball magnets as Mark says. Getaway, STTNG .. All the same.

Fancy pants red lights down the side ... I can't play those. And for $5000 NZ dollars extra (over the pro) I can't justify them either.

With some MarkMon bling, the pro will look sweet. Just cut back on the waxing Mark! Don't doooo itttttt! My waxed Met LE is just faaaaaaarking unplayable.

rd.

I think you are bang on with the other ones but this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I disagree with. That stupid Iceman ramp ruins the LE, and the NC can be annoying sometimes too. Really the only cool thing about it is the spinning disc, that's pretty cool.

....and yet you go on to discuss nothing about the things that I mention despite quoting my post.

Odd.

Yeah XM Pro plays much better than the LE and had many less issues with malfunctions. The pro was the easy choice for me after playing both the LE and Pro extensively. I've never once regretted making the decision to go with the Pro on this one even at the discount price the LE is selling for. Sorry to go off topic.

Yeah, I mentioned the fancy pants Star Trek lights!

You musta missed that part .... I shall quote MarkMon in future.

rd.

I am on the other side of the X-Men Pro/LE debate. I played the Pro exclusively before I went with the LE. I don't really understand the negative comments about the Iceman ramp or the Nightcrawlers, I love them both and miss them whenever I play the Pro. The spinning disc and the light show on the LE are also way better imo. All of that, plus the current price of the LE make it a no brainer in my book.

You sir, are a genius.

Now, back to Star Trek VUK.

rd.

Yeah, good call. I'm also in for a Star Trek LE and am excited to get it, VUK change or not.

Light shows on all the LE/Premiums are much better then the Pro counterpart. To some its worth it, to others its not.

I never said that I was going to duplicate all the things stem did in the LE. Game play wise, the pro is fantastic. I don't expect the LE to play better. The LE will look better. The LE will have a great light show. My pro will have a good light show. It will look better than a stock pro. It won't have all the coolness factors of the LE. But I don't care too much about the lighting on the cabinet sides or head.

Keep telling yourself that.

You are the king of bling. You know you love that shit!

As far as lights go on the older LE's especially, I disagree. I can buy $200 worth of LED's and make a pro look better then a stock LE.

Can anyone argue this LE is probably the biggest light show since Tron LE?

Tron LE -
lighted RGB ramps
flashers under apron
Led inserts single color

STLE -
RGB inserts
Lighted side rails ship
Red LEDs along side rails and inside cabinet
Shield emblems on side of head LEDs
RGB power indicator inserts on apron
Blue led chaser ramp
All flashers LEDs
Starfield laser projector

Anything I forgot?

Guess that pretty much ends that debate and all other future debates regarding lighting bling of tron LE vs STLE

I forgot the starfield projector.

So, When do the LE's get released? I ordered one, anyone hear any news on dates?

Starburst in Toronto said November 6th

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stle-starts-shipping-nov-11#post-1206043

This is my biggest gripe with Star Trek pro. What a pain in the ass. Interested to see how often the vuk is used instead of the kickout.

I think it will be one of the best looking pins in terms of bling ever.

Just hope gameplay and code will live up to its looks.

I concur.

Shipments start 11-11, according to my distributor .