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#8549 3 years ago

Playfield swap and restore over the next few days. CPR got a run of the playfields done recently and I was fortunate enough to snag one before they were all gone...THE NEXT DAY! The original playfield had an overlay put on it. It was crinkled, overlapped, and mis-aligned all over the place. Got all the parts and pieces I need to get this up to par again. It was 100% working prior to this, but the playfield overlay was installed so badly, I couldn’t live with it. Stay tuned!

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#8553 3 years ago

Everything except the electro/mechanical parts have successfully been swapped over. Posts, guide rails, wood frame, metal parts, etc. Will start on the electro/mechanical stuff over the next few days because it will take a LONG time. Gotta go through and take a shitload of pictures and write down every wire color and where they all go. It's gonna suck but it will be worth it at the end. Wish I had whatever that thing is called that you can put the playfield on and flip it over, but I can get by without it for a game as simple as this.

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#8555 3 years ago
Quoted from Mathazar:

Rotisserie. Great investment, you'll wonder how you ever worked on a playfield without it. Check out the very affordable one a fellow pinsider is producing:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gauging-interest-in-all-metal-pf-rotisseries-for-18000-shipped

Thanks!

#8559 3 years ago
Quoted from jesperpark:

Now is a great time to replace, repair, or just paint the wooden frame rails as well

I thought about it but I wanted to keep a little bit of the original patina. I can always paint them later quite easily.

#8571 3 years ago

Progressing nicely.

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#8572 3 years ago

So I'm basically done with this playfield swap. Waiting to be completely done before I post final pics and whatnot, but I've run into a problem. The machine is 99% working and everything came out fine after the swap. Every switch, every coil, every light, etc. Everything is working great...except for the pop bumpers. I did not de-solder any wires regarding them. Just unscrewed everything and moved it all over to the new playfield. All playfield switches are working and nothing is registering when it's not supposed to be. I painstakingly went through everything and made sure I had no issues. It's just down to this. Check out the video and let me know what you think. It would be appreciated. EDIT: when doing the coil test in the menu, the upper left fires by itself. The lower one fires by itself. When the upper right one fires, it fires the lower one with it. So it's not a switch issue. I also verified in the menu that there are no stuck switches.

#8574 3 years ago
Quoted from Nokoro:

Remove the caps from the switches and see if the problem goes away. If so, replace with fresh caps. Sometimes old caps can go bad and create crazy issues.

Will do. Thanks.

#8575 3 years ago
Quoted from Zenomorp:

So I'm basically done with this playfield swap. Waiting to be completely done before I post final pics and whatnot, but I've run into a problem. The machine is 99% working and everything came out fine after the swap. Every switch, every coil, every light, etc. Everything is working great...except for the pop bumpers. I did not de-solder any wires regarding them. Just unscrewed everything and moved it all over to the new playfield. All playfield switches are working and nothing is registering when it's not supposed to be. I painstakingly went through everything and made sure I had no issues. It's just down to this. Check out the video and let me know what you think. It would be appreciated. EDIT: when doing the coil test in the menu, the upper left fires by itself. The lower one fires by itself. When the upper right one fires, it fires the lower one with it. So it's not a switch issue. I also verified in the menu that there are no stuck switches.

#8576 3 years ago

So I removed one leg of the capacitor from the lower and the upper right pop bumper. They no longer fire at the same time, but they are still backwards. The lower fires the upper right and vice versa. Again, I did not remove any wiring during the swap, so the wires on the switches/coils aren't backwards and this issue wasn't happening prior to the swap. All the switches are in the same location as they were previously. You can't even really get them backwards or in the wrong spots because the way the harness routes and they length of the wires prevents it. Here's another quick video of what's happening now and what's happening in the test menu.

Question though. Can I just swap the wires on the switches to make this work the way it's supposed to? And how critical are the caps? Aren't they just filter caps? Everything seems to be ok without them.

#8579 3 years ago
Quoted from vec-tor:

Like I mentioned above, use tape to mark the wires and assemblies.
If the switch closer matches the switch ID then, the pop bumpers solenoids are backwards.

vec-tor was correct. I had the lower and upper right assemblies swapped. All the wires are orange/(insert stripe color) and when I compared them to my pictures, I couldn't see any of the stripes, so I went with what appeared to be correct. So now the issue of them firing opposite is resolved and they are all working the way they are supposed to be...unless I hookup the capacitor to the upper switch. With that cap connected, the upper right and lower still fire together. If I disconnect it, they fire independently. I already swapped the capacitor with another one from another switch on the board and the problem still remains. Any ideas on that? I can leave the capacitor disconnected and go about my merry way, but I'm a perfectionist and I want to figure this out. Thanks again for everyone's help.

#8581 3 years ago

The bad pop bumper cap and swapped assemblies aside, the playfield swap is complete and went without issue. I'll replace all the switch caps at a later date (picking some up from fellow member vec-tor). The machine is fully working now and ready for years of more play. Got the whole project done in roughly 3 days at around 6 hours or so a day. My back is sore, my legs are sore, and my feet are sore from standing and leaning over the pool table all that time, but them's the breaks. Anyway, here are the log of pics. Thanks again for all the help with the pop bumper issue. My fault for swapping the assemblies. All told, I'm surprised that was the only issue.

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#8584 3 years ago
Quoted from jonnyqtrek:

SOKATH!!! HIS EYES UNCOVERED!!! Well well done!

Thanks! This was my personal Beast of Tanagra.

#8587 3 years ago
Quoted from Zitt:

I get that CPR wanted to match the plastics to the play field... but imho; those plastics are just too blue as is the background on the PF.
I mean if you were going to go that dark; why not just make the background black?
Is it just me; or a trick of the pictures?

Nah, it’s pretty blue. But it’s a matter of opinion I guess.

#8588 3 years ago
Quoted from pipes:

I just finished making a plaque for my speaker panel. I bought the entire LE stainless steel speaker panel assembly for my Premium from Marco a while back but never got around to making the plaque to finish it off. I had bought the decal from someone on here a long time ago, which was originally meant for the coin door. Thought it might look good on the speaker panel so I just had to make the steel plate at work and painted it black, threw on the sticker and...wow - I think it came out great!
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Awesome. Looks great!

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#8592 3 years ago

All cleaned up post-playfield swap and on location at The Arcade in Wichita.

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#8594 3 years ago
Quoted from Mathazar:

Those overhead monitors for viewing gameplay on all of those pins are ultra-cool - a very nice touch for on-location playing. That must've been an expensive investment!

Roughly $300 per machine for 32” monitor and camera. We bought them all as refurbished on Amazon. But that still totals $4500. Another $500 or so for the added circuit, outlets, and labor to get it all wired up. Roughly $5000 cost but it was worth it.

#8597 3 years ago
Quoted from jetmechinnc:

Looking good! I really like that venue to play all those classic video games and pinballs in Old Town. This venue was the first time I saw monitors above the games and is a great touch when watching tournament play. I was there during last Halloween for training at Textron, will be sure to go there again and possibly get a chance to play your game once training and travel restrictions go back to normal.

Awesome! I actually do tech support for Beechjets and Premiers for Textron when I’m not fixing games at the business. Just started that back in October. Before that, I was an Avionics Tech On the floor for 19 years.

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