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#7154 5 years ago

Hi all, looking for feedback on a custom run of 1/1400 scale lit and interactive toppers for ST:TNG. My idea would be to offer a painted, lit Enterprise D mounted on a semi adjustable mount base that would include a detailed light package that would interact (electrically isolated) with game events, have a starfield backdrop, and potentially a separate lcars display for options and manual triggers.

This post is just an initial request for feedback.

Based upon my initial review of time and materials, this wouldn't be cheap. I am guessing around the $900 mark. Perhaps more, perhaps less. It might be something where i could offer a base version, and then option up interaction, backdrop, controller.. but not sure at the moment.

Thoughts anyone?

#7156 5 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Well due to a low basement ceiling, I’m not a topper guy. However, I’ve seen some nice ones over the years. However, I think a $900 topper seems to be higher than the market would be comfortable with. I get it that Pinball is all disposable income. But that’s going to be a pretty tiny market.

Point taken, but it would be a tiny production run. I am thinking of a dozen at most.

#7158 5 years ago
Quoted from Irishbastard:

$900 for a topper? Huge pass, sry...

No worries.. the reality is that it wouldn't be for everyone. Basically each one would have a boatload of hours in it.

It may surprise you, but some people commission studio scale models to be built and it costs them $1000 and up just for the model build. I follow a lot of studio model building pages and some models have 100 hours in them...its crazy.

Anyway, i am still investigating and it wouldnt be for everyone for sure. With 11,728 machines produced.. a dozen people might be interested.

#7160 5 years ago
Quoted from Pinzap:

You might find 1 or 2 collectors who are huge ST fans and willing to shell out that cash. But honestly, I think this may be a one-off that you end up producing for yourself. In the end, if you were ever to get near that price you would have to build it, demo it, show tons of pics and videos and build the hype train so people tell themselves they just HAVE to have it. Then you drop the $900 price tag on them. Too late for that strategy, but GLWTS.

All fair points. I am going to proceed and will post pictures when done. I am naturally an optimist and when people pay $350 for a backlit apron that just says star trek.. I am motivated.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

#7162 5 years ago
Quoted from StrangeSubset1:

I actually looked into that exact model kit and lighting you are talking about. Just based on material cost and some bucks for a friend of mine who was going to help me on the build I ended up shying away from it (and I was way under $500). Ended up getting a used Diamond Select from ebay for $125 (crazy how pricy they got). Yes, no lighting within the ship, just the warp and nacelles, but the higher price just did not justify. I believe there would be a market around 350 - 500, but 900 seems steep, even though I get the value of it. That is a lot of money towards another pin, rather than just an add on.

Rgr

The model itself can be done for less than $500 for sure, and even less if a person is willing to do the model building, lighting, painting (with aztec pattern) cutting out windows and etc.. the time is money factor comes into the equation. The costs that add the multiplier are the lcars panel, integration, and fiber optic starfield backdrop.

So far what i have gotten is more of a critical response to price, and zero feedback on the function and idea.

Think of it this way, the parts alone for the full package might be around 500. Ship, paints, brushes, leds, fiber, glue, control board, lcd display, display controller, power supplies, mounting base, backdrop, wire, interaction board... at 900 you are left with 400 in labor. Ship construction will take at least 15-20 hours if you do it without it looking just horrible, and 10-15 hours for the rest. Divide that together and we are looking at a average $13.71 per hour labor rate. This doesnt even include the R&D time to figure out how to build this thing, code it, etc..

Oh well, ill just present what i have when it's done, hopefully around April.

#7163 5 years ago

Oh, and this is the level of model I am taking about: BTW, this guy says he spent 400 hours building this.

#7164 5 years ago
Quoted from Genjuro:

Rgr
The model itself can be done for less than $500 for sure, and even less if a person is willing to do the model building, lighting, painting (with aztec pattern) cutting out windows and etc.. the time is money factor comes into the equation. The costs that add the multiplier are the lcars panel, integration, and fiber optic starfield backdrop.
So far what i have gotten is more of a critical response to price, and zero feedback on the function and idea.
Think of it this way, the parts alone for the full package might be around 500. Ship, paints, brushes, leds, fiber, glue, control board, lcd display, display controller, power supplies, mounting base, backdrop, wire, interaction board... at 900 you are left with 400 in labor. Ship construction will take at least 15-20 hours if you do it without it looking just horrible, and 10-15 hours for the rest. Divide that together and we are looking at a average $13.71 per hour labor rate. This doesnt even include the R&D time to figure out how to build this thing, code it, etc..
Oh well, ill just present what i have when it's done, hopefully around April.

#7166 5 years ago
Quoted from StrangeSubset1:

Yes, I have seen this model and watched his entire youtube series. It is pretty amazing. And I don't doubt the value, and yes the hourly labor will not really be paid for. I get all of that. And I am not saying you are pricing it to high for what it is. I am saying there is a tiny little market if any.
Do I like the idea? Hell Ya!!! As mentioned before, I was entertaining something similar. Just would not want to spend that much cash on it .
But I will definitely be following your build for sure.

Thanks. The biggest technical challenge is trying to determine if the code can be hacked, so to speak, in order to figure out certain events that only take place in software after conditions are met. For instance, starting a warp effect on the topper during warp 9+.

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#7192 5 years ago
Quoted from kapsreiter:

i have some stainless steel panels in stock, from the final run, last chance to get one[quoted image]

I am away from my machine...do these fit on TNG?

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