Yes I forgot about the inserts, you're right there. And you are also right about with the refinery package the Pro would be the same price as the Premium but the lightshow on a Refinery edition would be better then the Premium version IMO, with it's lit siderails and backbox kit, awesome.

No, remember - the Premium playfield is the same as the LE - therefore, it also has full color changing inserts. Refinery cannot duplicate this.

Yes this is true. Well I hope they eventually do something cool with the colour changing inserts, that would be awesome!

When I purchased Met from them, I specifically asked if he thought I would be better off just buying a Stock Prem vs Met Pro Refinery. He said I would be happier with the Refinery. I am.

Well, I would be REALLY happy if it had more than about 5 things to do!

So far, I think my fav mode is Klingon Battle, 2nd stage.
Each time you hit a ramp, the corresponding Klingon gets shot on the DMD.
In my opinion, it's this kind of tie-in that needs to be implemented in all the modes.
Of course, it might already be there. I can't really afford to spend much time looking up when playing.
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The code is great given it's Day 1. If they never updated it, it would be considered "complete" from everything I've seen.
That being said, this pin should go from Great to Incredible with a code update that improves the modes.

Wow! What happened to this thread? CG & Chambahz - enjoy the heck out of your games!

I am. The bones in this game are fantastic. -and that's not something you can improve with code.
Still, if others have played it and aren't blown away, I expect it's modes that play too much alike. And I expect even that will be fixed with time.

You have ST glasses on for sure rose tinted too(JK)
ST Glasses.jpg

We were begging for higher prices and less mechanical features?

Srsly I agree that the game is fun...but there's a legit reason people have been skeptical.

BTW...for ST LE or for sure Pro buyers check out this Cyber Monday deal

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1200/?pfm=CyberMonday2013_Favorites_9_1200

"Beware of imitators! Cheap knock-offs don't include a special circuit to prevent burn-out, without which your projector could die after just a few hours of use!"

-Guess we'll see how much Stern spent on these in a week or two.
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How exactly are you expecting them to mod the color changers on a Pro?

Not expecting anyone to do that for the Pro, I know it is impossible. I was talking about the LE. I hope they do some kick ass programming and make the colour changing inserts something really cool on the LE.

Yeah right now it seems like Stern has phoned-in the RGB inserts... you get the three basic templates: fade, wipe and color change. Not much else I could see...

You can do a lot more with them in the future (if they want to) - I know on WOZ when you hit the witch yellow and red "waves" emanate right from the witch and flow outward across the PF. This kinda opened my eyes to what artistic things you can actually do with RGB LED's.

I'd like to see them do more things like that on ST and future releases.

I've got a light show for $59 from Home Depot, with a remote control, Led's, that does every kind of pattern you can think of....Merry xmas!

I might put a strand of lights inside my Woz and Ac/dc.......

Funny!

Don't EVEN compare this to AC/DC. Not even in the same class & wasn't meant to be. Steve R. Would even agree.

I just read this thread and thought I was on rgp

I enjoyed playing ST more than AC/DC.... ST is just more fun (nicer too look at also)

Disclaimer: This is my opinion

No & no.

Star Trek trumps AC/DC.

Yes & Yes.

Back in Black and STLE will be great together , no need to pick sides as they are designed by the best in the business bar none !

Agreed! No reason to pick sides they are both great games.

I'm just getting his goat!

Hey coasterguy,

in your gameplay so far, have you noticed any time when the two-way kicker *doesn't* put the ball up on the wireform? Does it ever just kick it back towards the top of the LH slingshot like the Pro does?

I played a LE a few days ago, and everytime I hit the scoop, it went up to the wireform....

Thanks,
EV

I have only seen the ball go to the wirsform so far.

I have seen the kickback miss the ball and the ball drain. Have only seen the vuk return ball via wireform in the 20 games or so that I watched/played.

Kickback targets are worth some decent points as the ball bounces around.
Very easy to relight kickback.
Vuk return to flipper and kickback make LE much easier compared to pro.

Not the kind of game play differences that I want to have on an LE.

Not knowing which shot to hit next on the modes bugs me because the game flows well and the game is very fast. Some of this will be learned through more play, but I am unsure if there is a logical shot progression on some of the modes. Like hit left ramp and then left ramp, spinner, left vuk, and warp are lit for next shot. Hitting left ramp over and over on the fly isn't always possible.

One game I completed a level two mode, but no insert was lit afterwards. This after completing all level one modes. Have not been back to arcade yet to play more to see if I can recreate this.

Best game I had was around 107m on stock settings, so got to see a good bit of the game thus far. Had a few 100m games.

My experience as well with both these.

The vuk is nice for control of the ball, but since it does have the ability to shoot it out as well, why not mix it up.

basically you want to hit the lit shield targets during each mode. After a successful shot certain shield targets will be lit to get more points. Enterprise targets will also be lit for combos and double points but only for short time.

Probably a quick coding fix.

I am just a bit worried that Ritchie said in the Spooky podcast that they still haven't recorded the power pack update. So it could be a while before we get one. Keeping my fingers crossed.

That's because you didn't complete it, you failed it...timed out the mission.

Playing this game some more.... it is incredible.

The dots on the dmd are really great. They totally tell the story and interact. You are battling guys, targeting stuff to snipe them, etc. might be the most interactive dmd game I can think of.

I can see why they needed to go custom dots. movie clips wouldn't have worked.

CG, is yours up for grabs yet?

It's gonna look darn good over here in my arcade...

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Quick question for you guys. I was able to get captains chair lit but could not figure out how to start it. Does anyone know how to start it once you get it lit.

Thanks.

Just opened up my STLE, number 321. WOW, what a gorgeous machine, well worth the wait. The blue trim is the nicest I have seen from Stern so far and the LEDs really take the lightshow to the next level. Awesome package all around.

I believe it's just lit to tell you that for the remainder of that ball, that either ramps, bumpers, or spinner is worth extra.
It's not a wizard mode or anything.

Ok, Thanks was thinking it was another mode.

Wouldn't that mean captain's chair should light up anytime you complete 3 in a row, even on level 1?

What are all wizard modes?
Level 1 complete = KM
Level 2 complete = ?
Level 3 complete = ?

Is there not a super final wizard mode?

We like to call those people "full of shit". The "it has under 50 plays", is more bullshitted than the HUO statements.

Yup. Any 3 in a row or 3 of the same mode (all 3 levels).
No clue about completing all of level 2 or 3.
With the exception of 1 full game and 1 ball of a different game, this pin kicked my ass all night.
So frustrating when you're in the mood for pinball but it's not in the mood for you.

so when can I come down and play?