I already own the first edition, I would have considered to upgrade if it was enough of an upgrade such as new art or something like that, but it seems like the same game so not worth the trouble of buying and sell my old game.

I think it’s a $9k game but that’s my 2cents.

It’s not necessarily the bang for the buck type of pin. I think it’s more for the folks who have a nice collection, already have a few Stern, JJP, CGC pins and would like something different. It’s not going to replace Godzilla or Woz or MM etc. but if you wanted a game that feels completely different and is also a super quick/brutal and fun with the added fun of 2v2 or team play it’s super.

It’s cool tho because not everyone has to buy one, I remember when MM remake was announced at $8k plus shipping when STLE was $7700 free shipping. It’s a different time now, used to buy Stern pro for $4700 that’s long gone.

I noticed on restaurant bill, they start the recommended tip at 18% and go to 25% as the default options. Crispes I’m paying $50 for a steak and they expect another $9-12 as a tip. Talking a whole family to dinner and it’ll be easy $60-70 tip for what bringing out food? Don’t get me wrong bringing out food is hard work but my point is this pin is not the only example of something that seems excessive.

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It’s incredible that CGC sold CCrLE for $9250.

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I mean (in my mind) I had thought the update would include something like a reactor hologram (or video screen) that would animate when it was overheating.

Something like that would have been worth more money and maybe OG owners would have paid to buy a new one and sold their OG machine. This leaves very little for the OG owners to desire.

The real diehard TNA fans probably already have 1.0 version.

Full color changing LEDs, real back glass.

I agree.

Just for fun, suppose CGC did a new run of 250 MMR Royal editions price at $14-15k.

But but but MM Royal was $10k game, it’s not fair, boo hoo.

So what’s your opinion? Would you rather have zero more Royal editions or a few more but expensive?

You can’t really compare it to JP or Hot wheels or whatever from cost of materials or part count. It’s like saying you were deciding to see Dave Chappelle or Jerry Seinfeld in concert and expect they should charge the same money. It’s not necessarily a one to one proposal, Spooky is not Stern is not JJP.

Tron has less parts than XMLE (moving ramp, spinning magnet, pop up trolls) but Tron sells for a higher price for whatever reason. For whatever reason TNA sells for more than Hot Wheels or TMNT pro. It’s just what it is. Also TNA might be less produced so people might hold on to it if they like it because it’s hard to replace. Heck I’m holding all my pins because once I sell them it’ll be hard to replace if I want that title again. I look at the for sale ads it’s like 6-8 pins in my area that I can choose from, not necessarily the games I want tho.

If Spooky is buying pinballs for example they probably buy a few thousand or ten thousand, Stern could make an order for 100k pinballs likely they would pay less. And it could be for every single component and building 10,000 pins a year is probably more efficient than building 800 a year.

Anyone that is buying one is getting a great game that is very fun to play and is a great addition to a pinball collection.

I tell people about the backstory how it was home brew and how it looks a lot less polished than Godzilla, but that it's got a lot of attention to detail in the code and the music and is shoots fast. It's a great party game.

I *never* said TNA had deeper / more complex code, I never said it was better than Godzilla.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?? I just said I would show people TNA and explain that TNA is a home brew almost like a kit-car type of machine. That TNA was designed by one person top to bottom, not a team of professionals, so TNA doesn't look near as polished as a machine from a company that has been making pins for 40+ years.

But then TNA does have attention to detail and small stuff code such as Speed Run, 2v2 team or co-op play, out lane ball saver, clock ball save timer.

I'm getting Fathom as well, TNA has got me interested in a street level pin, and I know old games are there but I still love the color changing LEDs and improved sound etc..

I'll put them next to each other whenever Fathom shows up.

Doubtful, less than 300 TS4 are represented in Pinside collections.

I could care less, not selling 1.0 anyway. I was actually thinking about buying 2.0 to upgrade but it seems like it’s not worth the bother for a few minor features.

More games produced probably will lower the prices of 1.0 games. Look at Iron Man their prices were climbing quickly on par with Tron at the time until Stern made the Vault and remade the vault several years apart. It’s supply and demand more supply lowers the price.

Rooting or cheering has no bearing on price. LoL. Some of you naysayers are comical.

You miss the point our cost is what we pay. We don’t pay what Spooky or Stern pays. If you want art blades and it’s $120 you have to pay $120. It doesn’t matter if they cost $5 to make you can’t make them in your basement for $5 so you pay what they cost.

Go make a back glass for $5 or laser cut rails for $5. I’d put them on all my games if they cost was what you say.

What a company charges is not that it costs them, they won’t make any money. You think it costs Apple $1k to make an iPhone?

My Fathom will be around $9k all in, and I paid a fee to the original buyer. The price was $11500 AU dollars but at today’s exchange rate that’s less than $8k.

Note: it was $8900 US dollars when announced but with currency change the price now works out to $7800 US.

I paid $500 to get the deposit from someone. If I had ordered straight away it would have been around $8k plus shipping.

Still very expensive but life is short and as they say you can’t take it with you.

Plus if/when I sell it won’t cost me that much just the gain/loss whatever it is.

It is funny that people keep saying plus tax and shipping. You can say that about every game (except Stern has free shipping) but you could say CGC is $xx plus tax and shipping and JJP is $xx plus tax and shipping etc. Can't you just ignore the tax if it's the same, and if shipping is the straw that breaks the camels back than it's obviously not something you want badly.

If someone wanted a topper and it was $800 plus tax and shipping would you say, I was in but the tax and shipping killed it?

CCr (LE) or CCr SE+ both cost $9250 (plus tax and shipping) and (may) offer a lot more kinetic satisfaction (for $250 more than TNA). This makes CCr a good deal if you want the game. The topper on CCr alone is worth a good deal, the LE has shaker, art blades as well. Bang for the buck CCr is better than TNA.

But not everyone needs to get the final last ounce of value out of every purchase. If I was looking to buy a watch and one cost $7K and one cost $9K what do I do? Just always buy the cheaper watch? If that's so why can't I just buy a watch for $40 and be done with it?

I don't buy things based on serious analysis of cost.

This whole circular argument that drop targets cost $3 each (add up all the parts) and that's what a pin should cost, that doesn't make any sense.

Most people will be happy and happier with Godzilla, DP, JP and so on and so on. But that doesn't mean TNA has to cost less than DP or JP or Godzilla. Buy whatever you want. But don't need to bring out a slide rule and a scientific calculator to figure out what everything has to cost.

Bottom line, I know people are sad that this game costs so much, and maybe would have been in at $6K or $7K or $8K but they are out at $9K, I can see the frustration, but I wanted MM Royal and thought $10K was too much at the time. I didn't let it ruin my life, I just got other pins that I liked and didn't buy the MM Royal. I don't go around saying but CGC didn't design the game or whatever so it should cost considerably less than $10K.

I have to admit it myself, in the TS4 thread (are you in or out) when I said $12K/$15K is outrageous for that pin, but people are free to buy it and they are buying it (good for them), I am glad to see it in the arcades.

I think JJP and now Spooky were responding to the flippers (people buying GNR CE for $12K and selling them for $15K or more. R&M, Godzilla LE etc.. people buying the games with no intention of playing it but just to turn around and make a quick $2K profit.

Companies saw this and said let's just keep the price so high that flippers can not top that price. Spook might not care since they only need/want to make 250 pins. JJP I am sure wanted to make more than 250 pins.

I would suggest TNA as a great game to complement Godzilla.

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I don't get the outrage at the price. Used TNA for sale are at $7,300 on up some over $9K (asking).

Anyone who prefers to buy a Stern premium for $9K can do that they don't need to pester Spooky about the asking price, if you don't like it don't buy it.

What's wrong with that if someone wants a brand new that is somewhat improved at $9K? That seems about right to me, but if you all don't like it don't buy it. I don't go to Ferrari or Porsche FB and complain that their cars are too expensive what do you expect to accomplish?

You are starting to sound like a broken record.

I’ve not seen the butter cabinet but the decals are top notch.

You are correct. I’ve owned 30 pins maybe half of the top30 and nothing is comparable to TNA, not saying TNA is the best but it's way different playing it.

I’ll say CCr is the best value for a premium product. Stern and JJP makes great pins too, I’ve bought 4 Stern premium in the past 18 months. And have CCr on order. Still own TNA.

Nothing missing.

Good point. That matrix on the pinball feature page only has a few set features like ramps etc. it doesn’t include thinks like control gates, or in PF timers, or on other games things like up posts, moving buildings etc.

It’s more than meets the eye or more than you realize on casual look at the game had the interactive beacon too.

You are correct, the BM66 turntable is also huge and complex.

I do see you have one pin in your collection, but some guys have a dozen or more +++ games. In that case they might already have the Godzilla, DI, Woz, etc.. than they might more appreciate a game like TNA.

Probably $25M

It was broken down above Scott's pins around 1300 (not counting the new run) figure $8000 average that's $10M.

Then you have AMH, RZ, ACNC, UM/HW and Dominos has to be 2000+ pins there.

That's funny because I own 2 JJP and they're rated 6 and 7 of all the pins I've rated (I only rate games I have owned) and they very well might be top5 of my pins (DI is moving up in my rating). I only owned 2 Spooky and sold one, and they are not rated as high as. my JJP games.

I never said Spooky was profitable, I just said I agree they have sold 10's of millions of merchandise. But if you think $25-30M is not ten's of millions I can't help you.

You're angry about something and making a fool of yourself again. Peace.

this is an interesting video sounds somewhat like the pinball market where the prices exploded in the last few years.

So long watch flippers.

I don't think pinball market has crashed but the flippers are not making money at these prices ($15K TS4, $9-10K TNA etc.)

Who really cares??

not to be argumentative, just discussing but you can say there is a lot more in Rush or AIQ than AFM or Tron for example that is not a great argument. I owned Tron and the code is basic compared to many of todays pins, and yet Tron is still one of the most requested pins and the price of Tron or AFM is up there just because they are great games.

TNA is never going to blow away these modern games with 30 pages of rules but it's a great game, I say TNA is a one trick pony but then to me that one trick is such a good one.

Most of us with TNA have large collections. We most likely have games with lots of rules. TNA is a hybrid it’s almost an like an older game but yet has modern lighting and sound as well as some new ‘party’ rules and bonus rules like speed run that you can enjoy in a quick game.

I owned LotR it was great but I didn’t enjoy it more than a few games, I ended up playing it less and less because it was so long playing.

that’s impressive.

TheGunnett doesn’t mess around.