I bought a standard Rick and Morty and a standard Ultraman. Really respected Spooky for offering the low-buck option with no impact on gameplay for the few of us not interested in the frill. Disappointed there's no 'base model' TNA but with this small of a run, I get it. Not happy about it, but I get it.

If Spooky only offers an optioned out model for their next 'cornerstone'/full release, I'll be concerned that they're taking the company a direction I'm not happy with. But for now, just disappointed.

How so? They have the time to run 250 machines. I very much doubt they will be sweating the results, as I am sure they will sell them all.

They'll sell these 250 and then move on to their next Feature Title.

I'm with you, but we are definitely in the minority. I don't care much about toppers, stickers, art blades, colored powder coat, collectors editions, etc. These weren't even a factor in pinball until recently and have the biggest markup vs cost. I just want the full featured game. My friends that come over don't even know or notice the difference between models because they don't follow pinside.

The answer to the question of cost will be answered soon. If a month from now they still have games available, perhaps it was too high. If they sell out in seconds, they were too low. Supply and Demand.

I don’t understand why you guys come in here and engage these people.

You don’t see Gary Stern coming in here defending $20k Elviras and $??? Beatles Diamonds.

There’s something to be learned in that.

Standard man here, hope they don’t disappear.
Also stainless looks appropriate on TNA.

I think it's broken down very clearly for everyone to see in post #251 by 27dnast, costs of everything have gone up considerably. Only thing you could have done possibly was make a cheaper standard edition but most chose the CE option on your last game so makes sense why you guys went this route. People just have the 2017 6k figure stuck in their head and don't want to embrace reality, part of the complaining is flippers that got burnt on HW/UM also.

Which would increase production costs and make the build more difficult.

I don't doubt they considered it. But if they want to nail the build time, additional models and/or options would not help them do so.

Yes, I would have made the same decision they did.

Cactus Canyon is only 8k and has mechs and ramps.

Here's an idea, just sell all the parts in a kit and people can assemble them at home at a discount. Just a cheap and simple street level game right? Should be a piece of cake . Joking obviously.

I've never seen one in the wild to try.

I have a wanted add up for the original game if anyone is selling:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/total-nuclear-annihilation-cluball-welcome/page/175#post-7111536

Obviously Im willing to pay more than "normal"

Medieval Madness remake was $8K in 2015. Almost 8 years ago... its pretty dam cool to see CGC is still giving us great games at great value still to this day.

reply fail.

I'd rather own a Houdini or Oktoberfest for cheaper, CC got real old real fast for me.

I asked them and they told me exactly 23

I do not think this info is on the web anywhere?

It is quite possible this hints it isn't a viable product at this price given competitive offerings. I hope that isn't the case, but it should be clear soon enough.

TNA is a fantastic game.
I really wanted one…
Inflation is real.
There will likely be some who do think it will be worth $9k. We will see soon. The more out there the better and I’m glad they are making more.

What I don’t quite get is when you benchmark TNA to others from a pure cost perspective. Not arguing theme or fun, clearly that should be factored in when anyone decides what something is worth…..

Let’s pick Hot wheels. Going for $7200, through a distributor who also is making some margin on the game. So let’s say American revenue is $6900 per game and I’m assuming American is making a fair profit.

So why is TNA more ?

TNA does have additional displays which are not needed but really cool. So that is some extra cost. The armor is more, although I prefer stainless. Sound system maybe more assuming it may have more thump.

Both have really solid cabinets and quality playfields, lcd screens assume the same, LED lighting let’s call it the same, but hot wheels may have even more. I love the TNA cabinet! Maybe it has extra costs. Not sure. Need to look at playfields to see which has more stuff. HW has a ramp…

We could say hot wheels is higher volume and iTNA is only a small run. But I think TNA is using mostly standard parts and it’s already designed so economies of scale are not quite as important.

Having said all of this maybe some part got super expensive or they simply see the chance to improve margins. Nothing wrong with that if the market will bare it.

If margins are slim for spooky, they should look at their costs as this really poor benchmark says something is higher than their competitors. (Board set likely a place where costs are higher, labor cost in Benson, vs Chicago no idea)

I’m out at $9k and bummed, it’s a cool game.

CCR or just CC? CCR- code has been upgraded already and they still haven't released Lyman's code for this game yet.

Kaneda says everything !

I wanted a day to think about this. And I in or am I out on this? I'm in Spooky's Club specifically to get first dibs, as Halloween was so hard to get.

TNA is unquestionably a great game with great sound design. And my 9 pin collection lacks a quick, hard game. This is very, very tempting.

But, the real question is value. If I were to sell my Halloween today, I'd probably lose quite a bit on the game. And I think this would be a similar situation. Used TNA prices aren't going to 9 - this cabinet will quickly hit used TNA prices.

If Stern puts out 007, a premium of that will be MORE worth 9k. But, I'll still very eager to see what Spooky puts up next.

I'm out, but I wish them the best.

Halloween may have been easier to get thru a distro without the (auto renewing ) fang club membership. Total cluster fuck

It is?

Yes, it's a Dark Night for Spooky. Total disaster. They shant recover.

Just like what happens twice a year when every company announces a game.

You’ve got 18 games, bro. You can easily stop buying and never have a boring night for the rest of your life. You don’t “need” a TNA….but imagine someone who has zero games. Here’s a new awesome game they can buy right now.

We’re all at different stages of our pin journey. I hate the current high prices from all companies - but I can sell one of my “oldies” & it’s basically like a trade. If you really wanted a new TNA, you could sell something you’re not playing much & it’s not so painful…. But you don’t want it anyway, so there ya go.

If you want a quick/hard game at a lower price, consider Iron Man or Bram Stoker’s Dracula. Great games with simple, but well thought out & addicting gameplay & rules. Also very intense soundtracks on both.

After reading this thread I've decided I'm in. I hope I end up being able to score one tomorrow. I think the competition is going to be fierce.

You can’t really compare it to JP or Hot wheels or whatever from cost of materials or part count. It’s like saying you were deciding to see Dave Chappelle or Jerry Seinfeld in concert and expect they should charge the same money. It’s not necessarily a one to one proposal, Spooky is not Stern is not JJP.

Tron has less parts than XMLE (moving ramp, spinning magnet, pop up trolls) but Tron sells for a higher price for whatever reason. For whatever reason TNA sells for more than Hot Wheels or TMNT pro. It’s just what it is. Also TNA might be less produced so people might hold on to it if they like it because it’s hard to replace. Heck I’m holding all my pins because once I sell them it’ll be hard to replace if I want that title again. I look at the for sale ads it’s like 6-8 pins in my area that I can choose from, not necessarily the games I want tho.

If Spooky is buying pinballs for example they probably buy a few thousand or ten thousand, Stern could make an order for 100k pinballs likely they would pay less. And it could be for every single component and building 10,000 pins a year is probably more efficient than building 800 a year.

And guarantee that’s too cheap already.

You're not wrong. I dont even need to sell anything right now because I have room but I guess I see the value of this pin closer to $7500 and having not played it enough, I dont think I really want it. With Stern's new release around the corner, I feel like I can pick that sight unseen and if I dont love it at worst I may lose $500 offloading it.

I'm not thrilled the machine is going to cost 10k but I think it's worth it. It's so unique and just an amazing experience. Spooky is a great company to deal with and have top notch support. I'm hoping the higher price helps me be able to score one and am happy they're not allowing transfers so the flipper scum don't buy them all up.

For the record, they are allowing transfers between people. They are not allowing deposits to be transferred to another Spooky game.

You sure about that? Is says non transferable on the email.

...that's assuming Stern prices stay the same as their last title, but considering that release was in January, I wouldn't make that bet. People weren't able to grab a TS4, HWN/UM sight unseen and only lose $500 offloading it after the price increases.

If Stern ticks up to $13/$11/$9 for LE/Prem/Pro on the next title (or even 12/10/8), it's going to make a lot of people think before they just blindly shell out the cash on a game they've never played. I freaking hate the price increases like everyone else - the only positive aspect that I have been enjoying is that flippers are taking a beating on TS4/HWN/UM.

That being said - TNA is a fantastic game and will always be rare (800 units). I don't think there's a lot of exposure even at $9k - the 2.0s will easily sell for $8-9k used in the near term - more in the long term.

Can't possibly happen. They will have a price increase, too. And it won't be subtle.

I played CC continued, of course if the code is a major change I'll revisit it but Lyman's not with us anymore so who knows how much he worked on before his passing.

Do you really think so? If I were sure I could get my money back, I'd pull the trigger. What's your thinking on that?

There's no way you'll lose money on this. There are so few out there and it's an amazing game. There will always be demand.
I traded my original routed game straight up for an MMR.

I do - as the nice used ones from the first run were already up to $9k.

But here's the bad news - you may not ever want to get rid of it. I downsized my collection a few years back when I moved (going from 30 pins down to 7) and TNA was one of those 7. I can re-buy most of the ones I sold, but finding a cherry TNA would be hard so I kept it. 4 player co-op when you have people over is so much fun. It's the one game that non-pinhead friends ask to buy after playing it.

There has been a TNA back and forth, at the Katy location and then out to the Richmond location and now is back at the Katy location, ever since just before production ended on.the 1st run.

https://pinside.com/pinball/map/where-to-play/8710-einsteins-pub-katy-tx

After trading my OG game I have been looking for one reasonably priced and within driving distance for the past 3 years. I'm so excited to get the chance to get another one tomorrow.

More power to those that don't want one cause it doesn't have a ramp. Better chance for me to get one. I can always buy a Stern since they make unlimited supply of them. Also I bet the stern pro gets a price increase to 7500 next run. Just watch.

Plus - what other game can you pimp out in all pink???

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(my son from 5 years ago - not me)

Dude.. that looks killer! I'm gonna see if I can be one of the 250 units. Never really lucky, but will try.

Worst case... Lost $50 being a Fang member.

…and that’s the true reason to buy one. It’s become one of my “desert island” games for sure. Buy it if you wanna enjoy the shit out of it for years/decades to come.

Just because one company sells a product at one price or lower than others, doesn't mean it's smart or what another company is comfortable with.

In my nearly 30 years of manufacturing, when someone tells me "oh I can get it for X price at Y", I tell them to then go and buy it from Y, cause my price is what I want and need to sell my product for.

And it's funny how after all these years so many of these other companies who sold less than I did... have gone under or got out of the product line I was selling for more money. Hmmm.

Don't let others dictate your worth or how you should run your business.

I would actually be down for this. You would learn quite a bit about the process and how it works (if you didn't already).

That's the kicker tho.. TNA is in that window of time when many machines were a bargain at MSRP. Many would love to go back to 2017 and grab a MET and some others while we're there...

If the machine landed in the house 9k, then maybe safe to not lose much $.. but for most, the actual cost by the time it's all said and done is significantly more. It's a really neat title, of course, if you know you will keep it forever, then buy it MSRP and have it new.. but I definitely would not buy this pin at 9k+ addnl costs and expect it to keep that value.

Going to bookmark this thread and see how it ages in 12 months after a few more rounds of Stern price increases and CGC's next announcement (if we ever get there).

TNA is, in my opinion, the best game in ten years...I am buying one for myself tomorrow morning at 10am! Todd Tuckey