Just from reading the room here, I'd say 8k.

They just upgraded connectors with Ultraman and Halloween, the new TNA should have locking molex connectors as well now

If these TNAs can keep the lights working on location that's almost worth the 3 grand price increase alone.

Still waiting for my Ultraman but really hoping it requires less fiddling than my R+M.

Williams did close out pricing on lots of games. CV and DH come to mind as a couple that were priced NIB for around $1700 when they didn't sell well.

Great post. 21 upvotes you are tied with the" I am in"on TNA in the poll.

Seems Spooky has cut out the flipper on this game, and selling for flipper prices. Why not? Better it goes to Spooky than to some dude trying to flip it for profit without playing a game.

The prices will just drop on the second hand market. No reason to get frustrated. We're headed back to the rational days when you could see a TNA sitting on the market without selling for 5 months and offer someone 500-1k less. So pre-2021/Banning Auction.

First JJP with toy story at 12k, now the next spooky is 9k, just wait for sterns price hike. Mark the beginning of the pinball crash…. You heard it here………….

Calling Crazy Levi.....

I was actively awaiting this, and was trying to decide between TNA, Weird Al, or maybe a Ster Premium. $9k is far too steep for a street-level game; I'm out on this one.

I'm out for 2 reasons.....1st is 9k. Nope. not happening, and yes I know everything's gone up. Still nope. 2nd is that I *thought* it was supposed to be more conventionally-sized. Turns out it's not and that's a deal breaker for me.

That only works when there’s minimal out-of-production inventory & a handful of “want it now” buyers who don’t mind paying extra. At $9k MSRP, they’ll need 250 people willing to pay the flipper price…that number is likely not there - but we’ll see in a few days, eh?

Best fun/value selling right now is CCR, Alien and Godzilla.

I understand the frustration from everyone. I bought TNA #252 and still have it. Will be the last game I ever sell. Love it! I have to look at the invoice but from what I remember we had to pay extra for the Plastic protectors, Shaker motor, Knocker and the lighted speaker grill. This one is including all of that plus the powder coating (not sure if this is new) and the lighted drop targets and what not. It is also using PROC which from I understand is more expensive than what the original TNA had. I remember Charlie saying at TPF during the Alice reveal that the price increase from TNA to Alice Cooper was due to the P-ROC (and other things). You add all of that extra stuff and the original TNA was getting close to 7K. I am sure Scotts fee for this new run has increased as well which great for him. He absolutely deserves it. With saying all of that its not technically 3K more. With all of the extra goodies we are looking at a 2K price increase. It's been said a 100 times here that manufacturing costs have gone up over the years so its not a shocker that this is being priced this much by Spooky. I am with all of you that I think the sweet spot for this second run should have been priced between 8K-8.5K but not being in the business of making pinball and what Spookys internal financial dealings are its hard to be upset over this. But I totally get it and understand. Let the market speak. If anyone was really wanting a TNA and was looking to get in on the 2.0 run, do it! You will not regret it. I love this game so much.

This one isn't for me. Picking up a Godzilla tomorrow NIB for a way better price.

I agree.

Why are people complaining about the cabinet size?

Why would you want a bigger cabinet? It wouldn’t make the game grow ramps.

I’ve never looked at my Harlem globetrotters and said wow that really needs a bigger cabinet.

They've got nothing else to complain about because Stern didn't announce the game this week.

Thursday will definitely be interesting. LOTR Amazon series drops and so does TNA re-run. Wondering how many people are going to go in at this price. The used version is selling for 8-9k on the market currently, so who knows? I just know it won't be me, lol.

Many missed the nice boat on Alien though. $7777 for an SV is the steal of the last 5 years, even if it has issues.

The king of diamonds remake has a bigger cabinet and it looks really
Stupid.

And it’s too steep to fold your laundry on!

Comparing prices, I think this is accurate.

Stern Aerosmith, SW and GOTG all came out the same year as TNA.

The Stern MSRP was (correct me if I'm wrong):
Pro - 5999
Prem - 7899
LE - 8999

The same year TNA was roughly 6k (price check?) plus shipping and handling, which I think is why a lot of people are comparing it to the Pro prices. But with lots of add ons, someone here got it for a total of 6800:

Now, Stern MSRP is:
Pro - 6899
Prem - 8999
LE - 10499 - 11099
And there's many distributors where that's the final price with shipping. Plus Godzilla and Rush are arguably better options than what came out in 2017.

TNA is 8995 + tax (850 CA) + shipping (+/- 400) = 10,245 (add a butter cabinet, and you're looking at 11,344)

If this is true inflation, esp with JJP charging 12k/15k for TS4, then wondering if this means all models of Stern will also be raised 2k+ each on the next cornerstone release. Looking at 9k Pro, 11k Premium, and 13k LE. I guess we'll have to wait and see you next Tuesday.

No, CCR standard at $8k is. Little to no issues reported.

CCR is a shite game compared to Alien. But to each their own.

At 9k, I am waaaay out. I like it, but I like other games with way more value for 9k. I’d consider it at $7500, but even then it wouldn’t be an easy trigger to pull.

Ha, to be fair I do like my HW Alien original. No argument there for the game play, but I just don’t think the initial issues right out the box from the PB version when it’s was $7777 make it a steal

$7500. Is a price that would have me buy. Then after tax and shipping would be in the $8200 range. Right now I'm out.

Spooky are probably playing this right. I think they'll be able to move 250 of these pretty easily.

Was smart not to try to move 2,000 of them like their last opus.

It’s not an exact science, but those with decent size collections may like their LCD’s to look one way and their retro games to look another.

Rush is an awesome pin and I am not a fan of the band. TNA is not a great single player game.

TNA is a retro game. That's the whole point.

But I concede, some people are insane.

I think this is going to be an unpopular opinion.

The supply chain is still fraked from Coronavirus. The cost of wood, electronics, all of it is much more expensive than 5 years ago. If they’re selling for $9, I don’t think it’s greed. I think that’s what it costs a small company because 250 is not a lot of parts to buy in bulk.

Spooky has been pretty transparent with us Halloween owners. I trust they’re dealing with us on the square.

Godzilla is a better game and a better value for $9000. This is a boutique game, the way an Aston is a boutique sports car.

What game is the most fun to play. TNA 2017 or Seawitch 2.0, 2018.

Presume you mean Beatles? but not sure what that comparable would mean or have to do with anything?

Beer count: 0

TNA2 price count: way too fucking high

Yes Beatles Gold, can get one now in my area for the price of TNA 1.0. just trying to find the better value.

They were super transparent when they showed 30 seconds of the game before requiring non refundable deposits and making you join a club to have a chance to buy a limited supply game that sold out in a day (they def have a smart marketing department ). Tons of people were left holding the bag when the game saw the light of day and reality set in.

I like the Beatles music fine enough but Danesi's music cranked with the sub and a few adult cocktails is heaven. TNA wins with music, lightshow and multiplayer rules.

Unpopular? Maybe. Realistic? Yes. True? From my experience, yes. Get used to it? Sigh.. yes.

I can't speak for Zablon, but being a beta tester/early buyer for Alien, it was the best game I ever purchased new in box. I won't go into details about everything PB offered me but it ended up being an absolute steal of a deal for an amazing 2 games in one pinball machine. PB's customer service is the best in pinball. Above and beyond.

Now back to TNA, being a CEO of my own company.. I can't help not to think about what I would have done in this situation. Personally, I would have put the price at $6899. compete with stern and sell as many as I could.. keep my company busy through one of the biggest U.S recessions for the next 2 years. Get the deposits now and lock everyone in. It's not to late for spooky to see the mistake, change their mind on this plan.lol Sept 1st! But hey, I'm gonna be watching from the side lines. In on CCRLE(same price!), Alien LV(great deal there and a Big Lebowski. I won't be purchasing anything else for a couple of years till the smoke clears.

Its the same reason why some dudes buy big trucks....because they have small.......gamerooms.....

Perhaps Stern needed to push back its announcement to reprint thousands of new price tags.

Are you Kaneda or just his hype man? You’re just repeating the same bs he said earlier on his free podcast. Neither of you sound like you know anything about manufacturing.

I have no idea who Kaneda is, nor do I listen to any podcasts. I'm just a pinball owner like yourself, that has decided not to pay this outrageous price for this PIN. Given by the poll data, I see I'm not alone in this sentiment. But somehow I don't see you calling all the other people on this thread Kaneda? so what gives? This is a public forum and that's my opinion, feel free to input yours, it's a free country.

Just a friendly neighborhood Pinsider, no location, no collection, just a nameless pinsider?
You see Gill, The above mentioned podcaster has been banished from pinside long ago....
For being the absolute epitome of a scumbag Troll.
He himself has admitted this, also to being kicked off every hobby forum he's ever been part of.
He has repeatedly slimed he way back here multiple times, under assumed names to stir the pot of hate.

His opinions blow like a hot wind from a Summertime garbage Dump.
Sometimes hypocritical, sometimes apologetic, sometimes just outright Bull#$%@.
Whatever enters his brain that he thinks will get a rise out of others.

And to top it all off he is an elitist Snob, of the worst sort.
He Wants to be a Star Bellied Sneech in the Worst way Possible.
He learned nothing as a child from Dr Seuss.
He thinks people who are nice to others are Suckers.

So don't be surprised if some of us think new members with no info or history, could be this Creep, weaseling his way back.

Welcome to Pinside if your for real Gill.

Cheers

Thanks I appreciate the explanation and insight. I think if you read the majority of my posts since I joined this site, you'll find I'm either just asking questions to learn, help others from the knowledge I've learned and even put up a few guides of ideas, solutions I've come up with.

I will occasionally defend myself but never in a disrespectful way. I just recall when I was younger I was bullied, and as we all have grown to learn; The only way to stop the bullying is to stand up to your bullies. I did feel it was quite presumptious of Rebelguitars to associate me with person that has such a negative persona on this forum.

I think I am expressing myself just like anyone else on this heated thread. Nobody here is really a fan of the high price of this PIN, and I'm sure we can all agree that we don't want prices to continually go up. I understand inflation, delays and higher costs to get components for a PIN, but I think we all know, a bad deal when we see it. The 9K price (10.5K after taxes) just doesn't seem justified, and unless they get backlash and don't sell out; it's the only way any company will really listen.

No one is making anyone buy on day one. That’s all on the buyer, not the company.

You can always buy something after the fact, particularly true when it’s going to take a year-plus to manufacture all of the games.

You can’t blame FOMO on anyone other than the buyer.

Since this a heated thread, I will add some fuel. Fun game for a few plays, otherwise flat and boring to me. 9k better spent on so many other games.

^^^This guy gets it

Is it flat and boring or pure pinball porn?

Seriously what makes TNA special is not just the single level playfield with a simplistic ruleset. What makes it special is the combination of a simplistic fun layout with out of this world music and lighting. This combination makes for an experience like no other. What I really like is the music & lighting and how it changes with the different levels. It is so sweet and takes the experience of progression even further. I have only gotten to reactor 5 and the challenge of trying to get further never ends for me. I have seen many games come and go in my collection and this one is a keeper that never gets old.

I also want to comment about the price that everyone is not happy with. I am not justifying the price but what if it was $8000 would that be a game changer? Would $1000 make you change your mind on one of the best games ever made? For me I would not be happy with the price but I would still want one. If they made 500-1000 maybe they could have priced them lower at $8000 or so but they decided to do only 250. If you think your money is better spent with a game that has more gimmicks-may think twice. Not trying to price pump-just saying TNA is the real deal and I think it is worth it.

Spooky and JJP should be ashamed of themselves overcharging for games that don’t have nearly as much stuff in them and charging way too much; for crying out loud tna is only a one level game too. Not cool at all and very much a money grab.

BTW if anyone is looking to pick up a TNA I recommend Rob Anthony with Lock when Lit and Christopher with King Pin Games. -Good guys