You are correct. I’ve owned 30 pins maybe half of the top30 and nothing is comparable to TNA, not saying TNA is the best but it's way different playing it.

I’ll say CCr is the best value for a premium product. Stern and JJP makes great pins too, I’ve bought 4 Stern premium in the past 18 months. And have CCr on order. Still own TNA.

There is a lot in play as to how this all pans out over the next few years, the pinball companies have all grown and now they have the bills to prove it. Can they sustain these inflated years, money is expensive to borrow now.

I would add that a lot of NIB pins were purchased by businesses, for sure some even with the stimulus money. Are there new establishments opening now that need 3 nib pins. A business does not need to really love the title to purchase.

Stern has flooded the market with a lot of good titles over the last 5 years, how much room is left to keep this all going.

Are there titles in the pipeline that people absolutely need or can they pass. For myself, I only buy titles which I love outside of pinball. I don't buy just to collect. But I do see here some people simply love pinball and any title is game.

So you come here to cry about it? You’re a broken record dude. You should be embarrassed going on their business page just to be a dick.

Someone posted a link to their Facebook and that's how I noticed they blocked me, just making the comment. I didn't run to this thread unprovoked saying OMG GUYZ THEY BLOCKED ME. It was a reply to relevant, and frankly hilarious info.

I didn't say anything in the comments that others didn't.

I'm embarrassed for you to making assumptions without understanding the whole story.

Is it? Lets wait a bit.

….and Spinal Tap pricing just in……USD$9495.

Dang… just saw that. Yup, the new global pinball prices are real.

If there is a global recession then I can see this increase backtrack itiself. Otherwise, it’s here to stay for some time folks.

Still glad I got TNA on order!! Let’s get this done before all goes to hell.

Ok then, give us the whole story. What was your comment?

Looks like a few company's are involved.. Lots of hands in that cookie jar.

Ya, definitely.. that would suck if spooky went tits up during production of this game. No dealer to protect your funds like cointaker. Not saying it will happen, but definitely zero protection there because your dealing directly with spooky. Buying TBL and Alien through cointaker, no worries.

Agreed but how much was Thunderbirds?

Just do a chargeback on credit card but that won’t happen.

Tell that to the guys that bought Alien from Highway and who bought from many, many other pinball companies that went bankrupt.
But I think that is some great advice to the guys that did buy a TNA. Don't pay in full till you get that email, ready to ship!
Only a loss of $2000. worst case. Better than losing that $12k with the margarine, taxes and shipping.

Correct on all counts except mechs. TNA has more mechs than GZ premium. I’d guess you’d have to go back to the 90’s and one of Lawlor’s 6 pop bumper games to find a game with more mechs than TNA.

Yea waiting on Bond prices, cause expect all models to be going up once again.

I haven't raised prices for our clients, I want to keep everyone working through this recession. Had to tighten the belt up on production, but no one will get laid off. Even if it gets to a no profit point. Sell the shit out it and collect as many deposits as possible. Lock clients in for 2-3 years.

Yeah, I still think it will sellout eventually. I only took issue with him saying others can't afford the game which is why they are upset over the price. Just bad taste.

Help me understand this. As someone who is not as familiar with the game as an owner of it, I don't see how this is true. What is missing on this "details" page as far as mechs?

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Nothing missing.

I don't see the two VUK's/scoops listed that it has or the slings in the reactor area.

But he says it has more than a GZ premium. Doesn't seem correct to me, but I may be missing something.

Two VUKs or 2 scoops?

As fast as they shoot out I thought they were VUK's but could be defined as scoops, there is a mech there no matter what they are called.

I'm not making that argument so have to take it up with him.

The only Mech I'm aware of on TNA is the Danesi Lock for the Drop targets. It's unique for this machine although, it can be classified as simply drop targets with some software magic.

Ok, wasn't sure if I was missing something or not.

Feature counts don't always tell the whole story. For example, depending what you need them to do, it's possible to control three drop targets with a single coil and three switches. However, if those three drop targets are acting as ball locks, those same three drop targets might use six coils, six optos, and six full color LEDs. That complexity isn't always apparent in a quick glance.

PS: This is me speeking personally. If you love Led Zeppelin, Godzilla, Rush, Toy Story 4, or any other game more then TNA that's okay. I love games from other companies too. If those games have more personal value to you, you should obviously buy them instead. TNA is a unique game that will stand apart in a lineup of modern games. As a street level masterpiece, a lot of the complexity is under the hood and not disguised as a fancy mechs. If that's not your thing it's okay. Bottom line, buy what brings you joy and let others do the same.

On the fence on ordering one, has spooky posted a good shot of the powder coat? It’s hard to tell from the picture on their site because it’s kind of grainy. Also, I’m usually a pinwoofer guy but it doesn’t look like they have kits for spooky, has anyone upgraded the audio on a TNA that they would recommend going that route. I remember my R&M was ratting like crazy which drove me nuts.

Just curious, what's the goal on parts for this game? lets say 10 years from now, will everyone be able to buy any part then?. It's a really low production game.

You won’t need to upgrade the speakers… tna sounds awesome out of the box

TNA already comes with a good sub. No need to add a pinwoofer.

No need to upgrade the audio on TNA, partly what your paying for in the game. Rattle tape or electrical tape on edges of playfield glass will eliminate most of the rattling, you can also turn the bass down on audio amp a bit to control it.

Good to hear! Thanks for the info!!

First, we're not going anywhere, however let's travel down a hypothetical rabbit hole. Its not that deep. The game was designed by someone who engineers parts for Pinball Life. That alone is probably more backup than any other game currently in production.

I mean if you are counting coils. Sure.
But to say that 2 pop bumpers or 2 drop targets is "more" mechs than the GZ building (or bridge... Or MG platform) is just dumb.

That building mech alone probably costs more than most mecha on TNA together.

You'd be surprised.. The mechs in GZ are custom as opposed to standard mechs in TNA which adds to development costs, but Stern is pretty good at wringing lots of visual effect from minimal hardware. E.G. Metallica and TNA both have three inline drops, but TNA's are individually controlled and more versatile, Metallica's are one coil and limited.

I consider a mech as an assembly that is controlled by a coil or coils and interacts with the ball. TNA has 3 flippers, 2 scoops, 1 pop bumper, 5 slingshots, 3 controllable drop targets ( 2 coils each) and 2 controllable ball gates. There is a lot more going going on in TNA than people realize. While nothing may jump out as a centerpiece main mech of the game it is all the other mechs and how they are controlled that make this game a unique playing game.
Another thing to consider is the lighting in the game every lamp on the playfield is an individually controlled RGB led which allows TNA to have the best light shows in pinball.

Good point. That matrix on the pinball feature page only has a few set features like ramps etc. it doesn’t include thinks like control gates, or in PF timers, or on other games things like up posts, moving buildings etc.

There's what, three games that do this... WOZ, TNA and R&M? I think Star Trek prem/LE has regular GI. So TNA is actually the cheapest game that offers total RGB lighting.

It’s more than meets the eye or more than you realize on casual look at the game had the interactive beacon too.

You need to spend some time getting your hands dirty under the hoods of games.

I get it. I see the building, the VUK and the ball lock as 3 features alone. Magna grab, captive ball, mecha godzilla spinner, mechagodzilla magnet, bridge and scoop as well. I think TNA is great, but not as feature rich in mechs is all. Again, it doesn't make it less or more of a game, just s preference thing.

What happens if Cointaker goes bust?

They’re no more/less likely to go broke as any other company.

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Comparing coils and mechs on pinball reminds me of oldschool nerds fighting over what computer was best, or what console was best. And believe me, I was part of that.

It took me a while to realize I bought what I wanted, and didn't need to make my case to anyone else.

“Single level” !

Street level were a range of cheaper games made by Gottlieb in 90/91.

https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2017/11/16/the-history-of-street-level-pinballs/

One podcaster famously thought that “street level” games were called that because they were flat. Like the street. Ahhh … ok. Lol

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you guys are ridiculous. I know you like TNA. I like TNA. I know single bank drop targets and sling shots aren't cheap, but.... come on. This building is nearly 100 parts. It's humungous (elwin for scale). And it has its own node board... Stepper motor and lead screw... But no coil. so i guess we can't count it as a mech!

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You are correct, the BM66 turntable is also huge and complex.

I do see you have one pin in your collection, but some guys have a dozen or more +++ games. In that case they might already have the Godzilla, DI, Woz, etc.. than they might more appreciate a game like TNA.

I think you either get this game or you don’t. Kind of pointless trying to justify it to guys counting coils and comparing it to other manufacturers.

Godzilla is an incredible game also - the 2 games can both be great together. TNA is worth its price because it’s a great game. Let’s compare units of greatness instead of coils.

Yeah.. All this talk of coils makes me think of Vector.. It's a neat game.. but not sure I would rate it against others for monetary or play value based on the coil count.

TNA is simple mech wise for me.. but those mechs are implemented perfectly, and in constant use.

Wow, that's pretty amazing. Never thought Gary would ever approve something like that. Fantastic to see.