Worth a grand upgrade in your opinion?

Always up to the person.

True, but in your opinion is their much difference between the two?

Halloween needed some fixes done before my game so I snapped a few quick inside the cab and under playfield pics while Bug re-crimped a few pins.

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It’s an easy decision, ask yourself these questions.

1. Are you going to actually see the art or is it up against two other games? (me: no I will not)

2. Do you even care enough to drop an extra $1k (me: no)

3. If you havnt SEEN the butter..do you even know what your missing. (me: I don’t)

4. Does a butter cabinet make it a better GAME? (me: no)

5. Can you think of better places to spend that $1k (me: yes, definitely)

6. Are you just made of money and don’t really care and just want the most expensive thing just cuz? (me: no)

Pretty much a perfect list.

I’m a NO on all that stuff too.

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I agree. A perfect list. No butter for me.

I have both, from previous games. I choose butter for this game. If you fault me, then that is on you, not me. My experience, my money. To me, there is the value.

So, you’ve seen it, know the difference and prefer butter. You will see it in your game room and appreciate it. You care enough to spend the extra and the added cost is not a turn off. I don’t think anyone would fault you for getting what you want.

Some gameplay, sounds like the double annoying high pitched sound has gone from pumpkin to right lifter.

hey there. it has been a bit since the release. i just wanted to let everyone know that i do have some Collector's Editions left in my allotment starting in the 620's, then the 700's

shoot me an email if you would wish to secure one

thank you

[email protected]

I would add one more item to your list.

7. Want something that looks good but isn’t repairable by the end user? Decals can be replaced if damaged, butter cabinets can’t be.

That's a lie. We know you're made of money, Dave. You flew over here and bought a hearse and a bunch of games and shipped it all back.

No question the butter cabinet looks better. If you want the best version and an extra $1,000 is no big deal...go for it. If I had near unlimited cash I'd get a butter cabinet. That said, I do not have near unlimited cash and have many other priorities that will come first.

+ 100...you don't have to justify your purchase to anyone except yourself...hell, if it's just getting " slid in the line" might as well do the sides in flat black right ( doesn't effect gameplay)?

And it's not only "a rich or stupid person's view" btw....( don't know if that's come up yet...usually does). I'm neither. These things tend to keep their value, and flippers have grown their collections and wallets by doing just that.

No judgement from me....buy what YOU want ( I'm getting butter too, btw). Always the same...

Honest question, because I'm not really familiar with Spooky's prior games...

What is the point of all of those twisted cables? Seems like a pain in the butt to work with or replace when it will eventually be needed. Is that due to the RGB lighting...and I'm assuming they're twisted to reduce the chance of signal interference? Some RGB specs use 3 wires, some use 4 (ARGB). I might have to design a sleeving kit for those. It appears to be ARGB, looks like 4 wires on the LED boards.

Also, knowing these are prototypes/sample type games, is this typically how wiring looks on the Spooky games? The top half (bottom half of the playfield technically) looks passable, but WOW that's a mega rat's nest down by the board. I'm not going to lie....it looks kinda like the back side of my Lian Li PC case where it's all hidden. I'm terrible with cable management, but the idea of that many wires all over the place has me wondering if we can't come up with a better solution. Maybe some kind of 3d printed wire routing bracket. Looks like there's more than enough space to mount something down there. I'm sure they've got things routed in such a way it's unlikely to snag in mechs or be an issue, this is just my visual OCD.

Also...someone's gotta say it...nice chin diapers.

They did not use wire looms (twisting) on past games.
They did use 3d printed posts to zip-tie wires to.
I suspect it has more to do with clean up rather than attenuation and EMF interference.

What we are seeing is the difference between traditional GI versus individually addressable RGB LEDs for every single lighting element.
Lots more wires.

Right, yeah. The PC's I built for my wife and myself last year have ARGB fans.... 4 wires for LEDs and 3 wires for the fan power. It's pretty insane what the hidden part of my case looks like. The O11 Dynamic XL's we're using have *9* RGB fans when you include the ones on the AIO water cooling, so it's a mess of connectors and daisy chains in the back of our cases. It's a lot of bloody wires.

Add in the controller boards provide two channels of 80 LEDs each.
They said they are using something like 70 per channel on these games.

I saw them say somewhere these were the "prototypes". So maybe the wire management will be different on the production units?

Probably, that's why I specifically pointed that out. I'm more curious than anything. As long as nothing gets snagged up on mechs, anything is "fixable" in my book. Whether that's aftermarket or not doesn't make a whit of difference to me.

So I have a couple of questions.. maybe it's a statement but either way. I'm in on a CE got lucky and got one of the last available spots in the 900's I know I'll be waiting and totally accepted that when I made my purchase... however Post 2011 from Kingpin games saying they have spots available in the 620's and 700's available. Seems a tad unfair (I know boo hoo poor me) that I got in line all be it at the end of it, and am patiently waiting but someone today could possibly buy a machine and get their machine several months before me but buying after me... kinda feels like cutting the line. If it is what it is so be it, I will still have an awesome machine to play (1st Spooky) but what say you the masses and Spooky fair or not? Also I saw/read a rumor that the CE buyers might get their name put on one of the grave stones? I'd actually love to see that and even if I had to throw a touch more $$$ to do so I'd gladly do so.

Distributors got pre-allocated spots. Spooky did too, but they sold faster than distributors. I saw in the mod thread that someone was talking about getting their name on a tombstone plastic to place next to the Judith Meyers. Is that what you may be talking about?

Maybe I misread it but from what I remember it was your name on one of the gravestones on the playfield.... which seemed totally awesome yet hard to pull off with 900 + CE machines. Just was curious if it was true/rumor... either way it'd be great if they did...if not "like" the idea of a tombstone plastic with names on it as well.

It would be fairly easy to take tombstone out and have it engraved. Only problem is it limits resale, unless you have an original replacement..personally, I don't want to see my headstone!

The way I play pinball it would be a fitting tribute.... "Here's where my multiball went to die" !!!

I think some people moved from HWN to UM and thus left the distributor with an available spot(s). That spot(s) gets filled with a buyer. Many times after they are already "sold out". There's no way the distributor is going to contact everyone who bought one and adjust their spots accordingly.

Are those wires twisted to help with interference?

Is looking interesting, 7 balls

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Unfortunately, this happens all the time. On a past game, I had ordered direct early on. MONTHS later, I was talking the game up to a friend and he decided to pre-order one too, but went through a distro. He ended up getting his game 2 days before me and invited to me to his release party. I don't talk up my pre-orders so much any more.

That's what I was asking above. I think it's just to keep them orderly without having to sleeve them based on what someone else said in response. That way you don't have 4 separate loose wires going to every connection point for the LEDs.

6 balls for play, 1 for staging in left side lifter.

Wasn't it already confirmed in an interview that one of the wizard modes was locking a ball into each of the 7 physical ball locks?

Yes

True!

The hearse was $3k — that was paid for with 3x butter savings on my Spooky pins.

And the memories? Priceless!

Even Satchel agrees!

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I'm having one made with my mother-in-laws name

Just don't show her!

Not correct. There is no staged ball.

I meant electrical interference, I’m sure I heard the driver board used could suffer from interference or something.

“ By twisting wires that carry an equal and opposite amount of current through them, the interference/noise produced by one wire is effectively canceled by the interference/noise produced by the other. A twisted pair also improves rejection of external electromagnetic interference from other equipment.

Sorry, I'm an idiot then. I thought it was 6. I'll take 7 though.

At this time. Bug said they were working on trying to code it so that it will stage one in the left lifter.

Yes, that's what I was meaning on that.

Nice coach! I have a '60 caddy.

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So you admit you were incorrect.

I don’t think players are going to want the ball coming out any faster. The blocked view/ball coming out of nowhere is already a learning curve.

I played the gage a bunch over the weekend and do want the balls to come out faster. Having to wait longer is not going to be helpful. The player just has more time to get distracted and start looking at the LCD.

Maybe from the right side coming from an upper playfield, but no use on the left. And never during a multiball.

*shrug*

If you get hard by saying I'm incorrect, then sure, I'm incorrect. It's a shade of grey, not black or white.

It's not feasible to stage balls during a multiball...the code would be WAY too complicated, and not worth the effort.

You’re incorrect, but what do I know.

Yes, by all means, please continue your dick waving (which you proved is the only thing you're actually interested in by posting that pic) on technicalities. I'm sure this will age about as well as all the "everything is FINE" Predator/Alien/Heighway/Zidware/Lebowski/Deeproot posts.

They sell prototypes right off the show floor?

You have my interest - but will you share some feedback then