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Quoted from hawkmoon:The idea that you have to do so many "fixes" and the bass rattle, and the fan noise, flipper cooling fans, pf issues galore! The ship has sailed on this title!!
Sounds like every game from every current manufacturer I’ve owned (except maybe CGC).
Quoted from Roostking:LOL.
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Too much time wasted talking about @hawkmo
Quoted from LTG:No.
It was on Charlie's page. You might have to be his friend to see it if his page is set to private.
LTG : )
LTG might not be April fooling, but
SpookyCharlie probably was.
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Quoted from SpookyLuke:Hey guys in general we are interested in doing the titles you guys want the most. Don't be afraid to shoot me an email at [email protected] with your dream theme title or top 3. Helps tremendously with us choosing the right titles for you.
You’re basically going to end up with this entire thread in your inbox.
One of my clearest memories from growing up was when we got our first VHS player, and the day we got it Mum took me down to rent our first video. I think I was about 9 or 10 YO. At the time there were no rental shops like Blockbuster, instead the local department store rented them out. It was $25 to rent a vhs (or beta if you backed the wrong horse) and you had to fill out all this paper work and even leave a deposit. I was only allowed to pick one.
I picked Halloween. Mum had no idea what it was. Had a friend over to watch it. Never been so scared, but loved every minute.
Quoted from Rarehero:It’s actually smart if the 2nd theme is something that appeals to a totally different demographic. Not everyone likes Halloween or wants a horror pin. Making something that appeals to another set of buyers is smart. The horror peeps get their game, other buyers can pick something else. They can have the same code/rules with animation/sound swapped. Not too hard on programming. Not hard on the factory since they’re built & wired the same. Pretty much what Stern did with FG/Shrek…but simultaneous launch.
Would make sense if they were like Stern with unlimited production capacity (well, before Covid) and the goal was to sell as many as possible. But Spooky has very limited capacity and would sell out the entire run with Halloween.
Why not sell out & produce the entire run of Halloween then start the new game?
To me, offering 2 different games only makes sense if they are both super niche titles. Halloween is not everyone’s cup of tea, but in the horror world it’s definitely not super niche.
Quoted from Kkoss24:I’ll start by saying I really like Cary Hardy.He’s one of the 4 pinball personalities I watch constantly .But did anyone watch his last posting on youtube ? I’m besides myself because he’s really going out of his way to drag this pin down .The break in the middle is what made me wonder what the hell he’s doing .He’s basically saying if it’s a success and sells out quick it’s only because the majority are in it to flip it .I’m not going to bash ,it’s not my style but Cary please clarify your animosity with Halloween and or Spooky .You stated you watched 3 or 4 seasons on RnM to try to understand the pinball machine while not liking the show ,but if Spooky put out a GG I sure the hell wouldn’t be watching 90 hrs of it to understand the pin ,all the while not liking it Be good bud I’ll still be watching I’m just trying to understand the Debbie Downer clip I just watched twice.
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I 'm sure what you said in this post makes sense ,but you need to work on your punctuation !It 's like you 're writing backwards !
Quoted from Pickle:Yep. And if you pay attention it’s a lot of people that are new to the hobby. They think all reveals are like the last Stern and JJP reveals. They are unaware how horrible reveals were a few years back for Stern. And let’s remember the disaster of a reveal JJP had for DI. You could have heard a pin drop in that room when it was announced.
Quoted from iceman44:The JJP DI announcement was the worst reveal in history and nothing will ever come close! I was watching the stream in high anticipation and my wife had to calm me down when they dropped that bomb.
All time classic that DI reveal.
My personal favourite was the Stranger Things reveal at CES when Gary was running around trying to stop everyone taking photos and video of the game.
But then the lighting was so strong you couldnt see any of the projected images in the Premium.
Batman 66 is a close runner up.
Pinball would be nothing without botched reveals.
(And no, this Spooky reveal is not botched - look at the hype frenzy going on in this thread - couldnt buy that sort of anticipation)
Quoted from benheck:Scooby-Doo isn't the second theme.
But hopefully Spooky has gotten the message that this is what people want.
Quoted from RobT:Not all people.
Really it’s just BallyKISS1978 who’s pissed because Spooky dared make a game that didn’t appeal to him.
Be funny if the “niche” theme sold more than the “mainstream” theme.
For me it’s going to come down to which is the better coded game. But we’ll have to decide before knowing that.
Are they really going to devote 2x as many coding hours?
Quoted from skink91:This doesn’t seem reasonable to me at all from a development schedule. To be feasible, I would think the rulesets would need to be nearly identical with the main differences being the video and sound assets.
Yeh, that’s what I was thinking. I guess it’s possible to insert a theme into a generic ruleset. Probably not ideal.
Quoted from razorsedge:Assuming these 2 games are not shallow, I think the rules can be quite different for each and still be certainly nowhere near 2x as many coding hours (surely wouldn't start code framework from scratch for same mechs and layout). 1.5x coding for 2 games maybe.
Another perspective might be, savings. The servo elevators for example, upper playfields basics, and most mechs, can be the same. The essential layout. This represents not having to develop and design/tool over again mechanically for another theme that can fit a certain general multi-playfield layout. Minor changes to upper playfield details to suit different theme requirements.
The code, if the layout and mechs are mostly the same mechanically, will be the same core foundation code underlying (basic routines specific to these mechs), but yet still over half way there even when starting from a new rule plan or game flow. So glass half empty or glass half full? . Coding half done already, or half the coding has to be done again?
I think, if they can make the games unique enough in their own right, put extra effort into one being distinctive from the other to play, that the same layout will go un-noticed. Two games released for the development cost of 1.5 games. Isn't that a win if it happens?
Besides, same layout new theme... AFM/MM kinda made it work, but then stern took those and made a profession out of it Lol
I rekon Spooky is going to knock it out of the park.
But no one has done it at the same time - it’s always been separate releases.
Having said that, if anyone is going to do it properly from a code perspective it’ll be Spooky. There’s no doubt they put as much as possible into their games and see them through to the end.
Quoted from arzoo:Since we know the pin has seven balls, I'm wondering if it will stage a ball at each inlane lift mech? R&M does this but with a more traditional ball trough. STTNG did it and could even auto-stage the balls before a game started.
I’m thinking it does - looked that way in the gameplay video. I think it was a shot to the scoop?? Came out really quickly like in Rnm - certainly quicker than it could travel down the subway.
Quoted from arzoo:Is this a new game play video that dropped? In the release video (from yesterday) I didn't see any shot into the scoop followed by the lift to the inlane? But I hope you're right!
No not new. Was the Ultraman one from today - about 16s in.
Quoted from kciaccio:I was just saying that to someone.. It's almost like they leave stuff like that for the moding community to have something to do..lol
I got the impression from someone earlier in this thread that seemed to have played it, that it’s like that for a reason. Maybe a gameplay reason? Seems too obviously bare.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Maybe they just wanted to save $9 or whatever on each game?
Stern isn’t the only pinball company that has to make actual business decisions ya know.
You reckon by the time they got to fitting out the 3rd upper pf they ran out of BOM.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:This looks like a very unique, "innovative" game, the kind that people here always say they want. Something really different.
To me, it looks like a warmed over Pinball Circus multilevel novelty clone, it doesn't look like it's going to offer much in the way of flow, it's likely to be a very stop and go affair. Doesn't look like something I'd be too into, spending all my time cycling balls between the 15 upper playfields. I think that would get pretty old pretty quick at home.
Your mileage may vary...the people who want "innovation" have got it, and now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is.
For those who prefer more traditional, non-innovative playfields, there's still a dozen othe games in production from the other manufacturers to choose from that will offer a more familiar pinball experience.
You know whats a really interesting, innovative and quirky idea that breaks flow? Playing pinball on a rotating novelty Mandolorian helmet!
At least try to be an equal opportunity critic.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I’m not sure why spooky reveals are supposed to be criticism proof. Is it because these threads are crawling with Spooky reps?
Aaaand theres the real reason.
Quoted from PinMonk:Pfftt. They struggled to sell THROUGH 1,000 of those. The 1,964 aspirational total went unmet AFAIK because they blew their wad of diamonds and most platinums with those first 1000, and there was no demand in the saturated channel for golds. So they couldn't make any more rarity 10 packs to force more into the channel by dists looking for platinums and diamonds. They only had enough left after the first 1000 (100 x Rarity 10 packs) to make 25 10 packs with platinums only and no diamonds, so that would be EIGHT Golds and TWO Platinums - an even worse proposition, and that would only get them to 1250. Those last 714 were never happening because they would all have to be golds.
The channel was STUFFED with 10 packs, but distributors eventually were dumping golds they were stuck with in the "rarity 10 pack scheme" that they bought just to get 1 diamond and 2 platinums. Some of those dumped golds went for prices in the high 5s NIB a year in.
Hopefully this retail smackdown killed Stern/Kapow's collectible doll rarity case pack scheme dead for good.
Even in these times of booming pinball prices, ive seen lightly used Platinums sitting for sale down here, priced well below original sales price. For me
a Gold would have been a fun buy NIB at Pro price or below.
Quoted from manadams:*They are not set up to stream and the person that will steam it first lives in Chicago.
*Game doesn't officially go on sale to public for couple more weeks, may be a license restriction holding back stream.
*Most fang members trust them to buy later this morning with what has been revealed and they are extremely busy.
Exactly- no cynicism needed.
Quoted from spooky_dj:Floppers??
Hey, y'all! I haven't had time to catch up on the... 1000 (!?) posts put up today just yet, but just wanted to thank you all for your support, and patience today. Definitely had some unforeseen issues on the back end, but we're over the hurdle, and I think most people are happy with how today went overall. We'll do everything we can to make right with customers who encountered problems with the (terribly designed) error messages during checkout, and we will 200% be addressing these problems before the next major release. Thanks for being a part of this milestone in Spooky history! Y'all definitely made a server spontaneously combust somewhere out there today :p
Hope your blood pressure stayed in normal limits spooky_dj - was definitely a pressure cooker for a few minutes. But all came off in the end. If you look at it in $$ terms, your website did well to handle $15,000,000 thrown at it all at once.
Quoted from arzoo:Only pin I've seen that could pre-stage the balls was STTNG. But your method of staging on the fly (adding a new ball from the shooter lane when necessary) works fine. Really glad to hear that the lifters will be staged for faster flow (like R&M)!
R&M pre stages balls.
Quoted from arzoo:I was referring to pre-staging as in before the game starts. But that is true, the sticker under the R&M lock-down bar does say to place one ball in the left eject
Yep…game doesnt like it if you don’t. But it’s the same concept. But it doesn’t even have to pre-stage them on startup. No reason why the first shot to the subway (or wherever the stage is accessed) is just in normal play, then it becomes pre-staged for the rest of the game.
I wish someone would do an actual good version of Thunderbirds. Such a shame when a great theme gets pissed down the toilet. Almost happened with Alien but was resurrected. I can’t believe that hasn’t happened with Predator yet. But the Spooky treatment of Thunderbirds would be perfect.
Quoted from benheck:Could this be SCOOBY DOO'S TAIL?
OK, I think I've trolled that enough. Take solace in the fact that the message that ya'll want Scooby-Doo has been received LOUD & CLEAR.
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Nooooo....its basically just BallyKISS1978 posting 300 times and probably his alternate usernames the other 200 times.
Quoted from onemilemore:I will add my name to the pro-Scooby list...this one time.
Quoted from Only_Pinball:I also want a Scooby Doo!
Quoted from BWT67:Ok I’m only in for Scooby if you play as Jason and hack apart all them hipsters in the bloodiest blood bath machine ever made.
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BallyKISS1978 posting 3 times already
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:I didn't see the British, German or French pinball fans complaining. Good thing you can get a Fathom or Celts cheap
Actually we can’t get Fathom or Celts any cheaper than you. Pricing was the same, except they deliver within Australia.
Quoted from iceman44:Topper
And right now people have excess $$$ to spend
And $9k+ is the new pinball normal.
And $1500 more expensive than the (equivalent) CE for RnM. And no one blinked an eye. More power to them. Couldn’t go to a nicer bunch of people.
Until JJP sort out their f*cked up Playfields, even worse customer service and general arrogance towards customers, there’s only 2 players in this hobby at the moment - Stern and Spooky.
The rest are just part time amateurs.
Edit: not $1500 more expensive.
Quoted from Skyemont:To me the only two players are Spooky and AP. Stern has issues as well last time i checked..
I’m sure quality wise AP are great, but yet to prove themselves IMO. Likely they’ll be up there once they produce some themes people actually want.
Quoted from RobT:I don't think it is.
You’re right - might have been $1100 - but still a big jump.
Just looked up my invoice - RNM BSE was $7595. Then add coin door/plastics/shaker and it added about $300. So $7895 vs $8995.
Edit: Unless there’s other stuff on UM Ce that wasn’t on Rnm?
Quoted from Roostking:3 levels. 7 Physical ball locks?
To start.
You’re 100% correct - game is a lot more loaded. I’m not complaining at all about the uplift. The discussion was more about how quickly it sold and how many were the top level of the game, and no one blinked an eye. More power to them. They’re reading the market perfectly.
Quoted from MikeS:It would be around $635 in upgrades to the R&M BSE to make it more equivalent to the current CE in add ons So it's about $860 more. The playfield is more loaded in Halloween/UM to help make up for that. And Halloween has a cooler topper.
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Fair enough - I don’t think I went for all those options.
Quoted from JohnTTwo:Whats the difference on getting a butter cab?
Is it like a shinny automotive clear coat on the cab?
I love my wonke CE cabinet? Is it comparable to that?
It’s direct printed and cleared.
Personally I think it’s much nicer than the JJP radcals (which are decals).
Quoted from musketd:very odd
Not at all. Just a small company with limited resources, but im sure they still want to do a professional job streaming gameplay. And then theres the licensor. And then there's the fact it has all but sold out anyway.
Us Aussie and Kiwi collectors are so used to waiting stupid amounts of time on EVERY game, Spooky or not. Sometimes you forget you’ve ordered a game and get a pleasant surprise when your Distributor calls you to say it’s arrived.
Quoted from Zablon:That's the only way to do it and stay sane. The only real issues is hoping no one releases a game you really want in the mean time.
Happens regularly Zablon . My solution is to order it anyway and hope that I have room by the time it arrives.
1 year later
Quoted from jimwe5t:This is a completely false narrative created by Spooky apologists, continually pumping us all full of BS, that it was only the scalpers that are suffering. I call BS, as all of us that bought into the HWN/UM FOMO are suffering from very subpar code, super poor shooting and a mechless machine. Values have tanked and its obvious in less than a year, they did not make all 1750 games and now using TNA as a fill in till they’re ready for the next game to be made. Spooky announced it would take them over a year and a half to produce that many and now all of a sudden their done, 6 or 7 months early. Quit blaming scalpers for Spooky’s ineptness.
Do you talk this much sh*t IRL?
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:So... when I got my Pool Table refelted I talked to the guy doing it for about an hour on Pool table stuff. I asked about the most outlandished setups he'd seen, and he talked about someone with multiple pool tables in his house. Apparantly Snooker Tables and Pool Tables are different. The guy had a 9 foot pool table AND a 12 foot Snooker Table... that was heated. Why on earth do you need a heated pool table? Apparently the uniform temperature makes the ball roll more consistently.
I meant to say it will be interesting to see if Spooky sells out instantly. Do you guys think Spooky will sell all 250 today?
You’re making me want to play pool now. Only on a heated table of course.
I’m going with 250 today….. easily.
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