Hanna Barbara-isms I can see, but the pinballs seemed lazy/rushed. At first I was giving them the benefit of the doubt thinking maybe they're "ghost" pinballs and that's why they're floating, but then at the end they collide, which ended that theory.

Power is back

You seem to want this:

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But that's not what a pinball looks like when moving. The reflections don't spin, they stay stable while the ball spins, which you really don't see. Like so:

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I mean no offense, but what they did is actually paying attention to the details if you want to get pedantic about it.

If you don't care for the look that's cool, but it's accurate!

I’m also glad to see they got some of the voice actors. Frank Welker is a living legend.

Excellent theme for pinball. Pair it with an excellent game, and you've got an all-timer.

I’m honestly surprised it took this long for someone to do Scooby. It’s a huge multigenerational hit. My baby nephews love Scooby

There was talk of it 5 years ago. I'm glad it didn't get the Jetsons treatment. I don't mean this in a rude way, just being honest, it's a theme that deserves a better game than that.

No, I don't want your example, it obviously looks dumb. The reflections would not be stationary if the ball were turning, they would shimmer to suggest the movement.

Good gif

I can sorta see Monks point about how they perfectly move side to side. Maybe if the edges were a little less perfect or if they added some very minor vertical motion?

The ball looks a little too perfect if that makes sense? Especially compared to the slight defects of the original art. Maybe lowering the FPS and adding a grain filter would help merge the new with old

Yeah the Pinball Company had the rights. Guess it’s a good thing Jetsons bombed because it would have likely been a similar “just shoot all the major shots a few times” type depth.

Pincinnati power is fixed.

I said you and i was right.

You have your proof now with scooby trailer from spooky on YouTube. In France we have good informations

RIP my wallet. Dream theme for my wife, good thing we'll have some time!

I hear ya. This one gonna hurt the wallet

Congrats to Spooky for making a lot of people happy with the Scooby Doo title. It is gonna sell like hot cakes. No doubt.

I'll politely sit this one out though and use the money saved by not buying this title and spend it on a used R&M.

You will be VERY happy

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Any questions as to which camp now?

Sure, it makes sense. It's accurate, smooth spheres don't shimmer, but it looks a little funny. The more I watch it the less it bothers me, but I get the response.

The difference, in my mind at least, is you could say something like "it would be cool if the ball could have something that added a little more illusion of spin" instead of "this looks rushed, they should have spent 30 seconds in After Effects, I hope they pay more attention to detail". Or, just wait until you see more, it's only a teaser after all.

But one is a personal preference and a polite criticism/request (we're all allowed those), the other kinda implies that the people who made it are lazy.

It's a real bummer, as a creator, to show something and have people immediately find personal complaints to imply you're lazy and not good at your job. I'm trying to be more considerate of people's feelings, not just because I've been on the other side of it myself, but because I've talked to pinball creators who feel like shit when Pinside dumps on them in personal ways. They read what gets said here. Even the people at Stern you never see, not just the companies brave enough to hang in the lion's den like Spooky.

I’ve been saying it was Scooby n nobody believe me. Can’t wait for this one I was just fixing to pull the trigger on Deadpool but now I will hold my money for this.

LOL, it’s based on Hanna-Barbera TV animation. Cheap = accurate. HB would have just slid around a held cel of a pinball if they were animating this.

Yeah I think the crudeness of the original works to Spookys benefit where they don’t have a large animation team to really perfect everything. And I don’t mean that in a “they’re lazy or careless” way

I think changing the frame rate would help. It would make it a bit less smooth side to side. HB was probably animating 4-6 frames per second back then? (If that much)

Also I realize it’s probably a special kind of annoying to hear about how crude Halloween animations look, then to hear the Scooby Doo ones are too well animated lol

But I think they need to lean into how HB animations are of a certain quality.

Plus all we have to talk about is a) the theme in general b) the snippet of art (looks great) c) how they got the voices of everyone and d) the one small bit of animation

I feel the same about the doors opening and the ball going into the back of the van. It would look more like the source material to lower the animation frames.

Everyone's been saying it was Scooby.

So excited for this theme!

Last I’ll say about the animation,

I do think using the doors in a hallway bit with a ball is clever

I assume based on the animation of a ball being loaded into the back of the van, there will be a physical ball lock Mystery Van?

You seriously shitting on how a pinball looks in a teaser trailer?

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A panning object would have been shot on 1s (24fps). Sure it’s 1 drawing without any animation, but pans are always 1s or they strobe.

Even when there were other animated cells in the same scene? Like wouldn’t the ball have originally matched the running animation cell movement? They wouldn’t be shot separate

Yep, seriously. When that's all there is, what else is there to pick apart? It's the first whiff of what Spooky's doing for their new pin, and it's a simple trailer with mostly text on canned video. I would hope it was perfect. It's just okay.

But I'm very happy they got Matthew Lillard, ESPECIALLY, for Shaggy. NO idea why he wasn't used in that newer Scooby Doo show. HE IS Shaggy. No one else alive comes close.

They can also build a relationship with Lillard for when Spooky eventually does Scream

He’d be perfect to narrate that theme

Never ceases to amaze me, pinball Karen’s are on the prowl looking to be as pedantic as they can and critique the ball movement on a teaser trailer.

FFS get over yourself.

Pinball nerds amirite

It’s like in Parks and Recreation where Leslie has an open forum and its people yelling at her.

“These people are members of the community that care about where they live. So what I hear when I’m being yelled at is people caring loudly at me.”

I try to be respectful and helpful, but I’m not perfect.

Well it’s not Scott Denesi on SDoo. I asked him.

I will say this, if you own a business that supports other businesses it is best to not trash their product especially if what you are trashing isn’t even the actual product. It comes off as petty and obnoxious and in my opinion has no place on this particular thread.

Lost a customer here.

Yeah he lost me a while ago but PinKaren is Gold!

Actually Monk, you are right. With an oversized ball in a hallway you would have a moving reflection. The lighting likely being overhead and the ball would be much closer to the light source. So the reflection would be seen moving from left to right as the ball passes under the light source. You do not see this in the video the other gentlemen posted because the light source in that video is much farther away.

I am happy for Spooky. This puts them in the big leagues. I think it is time to drop the "boutique pinball" label.

Perspective and location of the lighting would play into it, but I'm not expecting absolute animation perfection, just a bit more work put into making it look like it was rolling.

No matter how many drawings are used, the film is always shot at 24fps. Some cels might be shot on 2s or 3s. That’s where the money is saved. The film still has to be 24fps to play at the correct speed. Within that 24fps, let’s say a character is just talking. There might be 1 cel of the body held for a while…a head that’s held, but animates up and back down sometimes, the mouth animation which is usually on 2s. You can’t really think of it in video game frames per second terminology.

Of coarse.

Pretty great theme they picked, I am interested to see what they put together.

Dukes of hazard. The possibilities are endless.

Yep, people all the way in Europe knew as well. This was not some big mystery solved by all the 'insiders'! Smh, whatever helps them sleep at night i guess. Let the special kids feel special! Give them a few days to get all the toldyaso's out!

Spooky’s Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure pin coming in 2024.

Grew up in the 80s with scooby. Idk I’m watching it now on Boom and it’s kind of hard to watch as an adult. IDK if this will be for me. Want to see pics and gameplay hopefully before it’s up for sale.

JJP is going to make Pee-Wee.

If you stop the ball it looks like a ghost, so super accurate, actually.

Agreed, the pendanticity here in unreal!

That would be brutal. Dream theme but overpriced with a chipped playfield, no fun mechs… or even Paul Reubens doing the callouts.

Are they doing the non refundable deposit again?

I went on their factory tour and they had a layout of Pee-wee Herman on the wall placed purposely so people with a wandering eye could see it. Was it a tease? or, was it real? It was in plain sight so hard to say. I asked the tour guide and they said: "you never know".
Could have been a way to get feedback as to what people thought of it as a theme.
BUT PEE-WEE IS OFF THE IMPORTANT SUBJECT
SCOOBY ROCKS
Can't wait to see what the Spooky Gang has in store for Mystery Inc Gang.