Agree, need to at least see it play personally. I know many don't, but I don't think it too much to ask.

Spooky didn’t lose out on anything. They sold every single R&M, and I’m sure these will sell out as well.

Ultimately, I think where we may disagree is that deeper rules equals more fun. I'll take a few fun modes over a game with multiple unoriginal modes. The "whack-a-mole" hedge mode sounds like a lot of fun. I also just look at the inserts and see there are knife inserts and blood inserts at most shots. That tells me there is good potential. Hopefully we get some more details, but I'm not sure spamming the same comment over-and-over is the best way of getting attention.

I understand the pros and cons to this but... Personally I think in the future they should put a CAP of exactly "666" for horror themed pins as the Collector Edition numbers and the rest of the total run can be an unlimited blood suckers / standards.

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Do those in-lanes remind anyone else of pitch and bat games? I think those are seriously cool.

I like deep rules but tend to not enjoy complicated or excessive multiplier and scoring rules that need studying to master. Avengers / Star Wars being the examples that come to mind. I am sure most people (who dont seek out the rules) don't understand the Meeseeks multipliers on R&M . i very rarely pay attention to those either.

Fun depth is more related to supplemental modes, along with variable outcomes and rewards for completing modes. IMO

Not more “fun” more game....more content, more to do, more to explore etc. I’ve said my piece hoping to engage in conversation about it as this is something that buyers tend to get disappointed with after owning a new game for a month or so. Noone wants address the elephant. So yeah, I’ll quit it.

I'm even more extreme in my prediction: I honestly think Halloween will sell out in the first 30min (assuming no technical issues with the website that delays orders).

And if we're wrong and these machines don't sell out in the first couple of hours, then I think it'll take a few months to sell out. In other words, the big demand rush will hit right when orders go up because people learned their lesson from R&M. Once that immediate rush ends, the vast majority of demand will have completed their orders (or missed out), and if any units remain after the rush, then demand will be a slow trickle, with perhaps a spike when orders open to non-FANG members.

Monsters???? Man, You must be new.
Say it with me.
Ghostbusters!!!!!!! Where’s the code?????
How many years we waited.
Second in line would be Kiss.

Rules don't have to be super deep as long as the core gameplay loop is fun and the toys and shots are enjoyable, see people still paying big bucks for AFM and MM.

And even if this game is simpler, that's fine too. TNA is super shallow but people love it because it's easy to understand and difficult to master.

But I'm seeing a few different multiballs, some modes specific to each of the upper playfields, and some various Jack-o-Latern modes hinted at. And I like the tease of the wizard mode being something sorta like Alien Invasion on TSPP where you're trying to relock all the balls. It seems to have enough content to keep most players interested. Bowen is somewhere in the rafters to suggest ways to keep the player interested in doing all the different things.

Charlie said on the Super Awesome Pinball Podcast that the total number of games combined is fixed at 1,750. The actual allocation will be order based. So there could be 1000 UM’and 750 Halloween’s or vice versa’s. I think Spooky’s guess will play out

At least the code eventually came for GB hahaha. Took a long time but the game is a blast at current V. Munsters on the other hand...couple of modes, hardly any AV assets and a single wiz mode? Yikes.

Based on the email from Spooky, the numbers are locked at 1250 Halloween's and 500 UMs.

No it's 1250 Halloween and 500 UM. The variability is how many are base, mid tier, and collector tier within the 1250 and 500. You can buy whichever you want until the spots are sold out.

I think people are REALLY misusing the word "shallow" these days. People are using "shallow" to describe games with amazing rules, just because they're not math-chess tomes that you need to get a degree in to enjoy a game. Shallow used to mean that a game pretty much had NOTHING going on...no nuance, no real thought put into the rules...it "worked", basically. Like DE BTTF...the only real rules in that game are 1. Hit the drops 2. Lock ball 3. Repeat 4. Multiball....and that's it. TNA, while a simple layout, has SOOOOO much nuance in it & a brilliantly written ruleset that works perfectly with that playfield. The rules are leagues beyond what we traditionally called "shallow". Shallow as an insult...a moniker so we knew that a game was shitty & would get boring quickly.

That's not what he said in the thread. UM is 500 locked.

No one needs to order the first day, let alone the first hour to get one of these pins. Just RELAX people. Plenty to go around.

(My F5 button thanks you.)

Does RnM have 2 different art packages on the standard and BSE?

no, just the butter cabinet was the upgrade

the trim was different color too...

Don't mean to pick on you here, however read it many times that one will "sell out" before the other. We all do realize one is 500 qty, while the other is 1250. 2.5 times the amount so yea let's go way out on that limb and say Ultrman will sell out before Halloween

Disagree then. The loop is hit the keypad standups to light a reactor, shoot the scoop to start a reactor, get the ball into the core for a bit, then hit the destroy target(s). Then repeat 8 more times. That is shallow to me. But I also think they're a very good set of rules because of how focused they are. They are elegantly simple and let you focus more on just playing than trapping up to consider a half dozen options that you could be doing.

I don't think it's controversial to say TNA is shallow compared to its modern peers. I don't see much point in comparing it to the depth of thirty year old games.

I guess maybe shallow has a negative connotation compared to "simplistic," but shallow is fine if the loop is fun.

1250 Halloween. Lets say 250 are going overseas. That leaves 1000 domestic.

1000/ 50 states= 20 Halloween pins per state.

Yeah... they should last a good month or two before selling out...

It's like on a Steamy hot summer day. Sometimes it is more enjoyable to sit in a shallow pool with a drink in hand than diving/swimming around and doing all that work to stay afloat.

Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam before but I've never had the opportunity to play a Spooky pin. Is the Clearcoat/Butter $995 option worth adding on, or not really?

-You are failing to take something major into account. We have reached a saturation price point. Too many games coming out too close together at astronomical prices. There are literally people waiting to see this reveal before deciding this or something else (and not just this release). While I think these will sell well...there are lots of options out there that probably require less wait time for anyone on the fence about these 2 themes.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment (other than there is other nuance in the game like the Denesi lock/Multiball, keypad rules, the increasing difficulty, etc) …but in recent years, there’s a faction of people who now insult almost any great game as “shallow” if it’s not Math Chess. It’s just the wrong term to use for great games.

That’s on you. Do you want the cabinet to look normal or like a playfield?

This is just plain wrong.

It sucks, but my wife has decided she needs to see more gameplay to make sure it's not a 100% trap and shoot game without flow like Alice Cooper was. Hopefully there will be some gameplay video.

It will be interesting to see when it sells out as Halloween is a more widely known theme than R&M (certainly for the major pinball buying demographic).

Ultraman will be sold out tomorrow.

Well the news of the machine hit bloodydisgusting webpage. So I think Halloween will be sold out tomorrow rather quickly.

Wheel of Fortune

Up to you.

If your Spooky pin is in a row of games where you can't see the sides, maybe not.

If your Spooky pin is visible from the sides. A show piece of your collection. Then the butter cab is to die for and well worth it.

LTG : )

Doing math sucks in pinball and I agree with the bonus x gripes (a la Star Wars) when I think of shallow vs deep I just consider how many unique modes and the complexity and variety of the rules within the modes. IMDN JP DP are the best of the modern rulesets imo, they are non linear and you can choose different pathways to achieve different gameplay outcomes and scoring opportunities. It definitely helps the games feel fresh every time you play which I think is critical for a smaller home collection.

I respectfully disagree. Few games out this year and demand just keeps coming. I will bet you a wooden nickel that they sell out in 1 day. (HWN)

Yeah, TNA is a lot easier to play hammered than messing with the infinite stones on AIQ.

Then what do you want to call it? It's just semantics to convey that there isn't a whole lot to the rules to learn. TNA is one of the simpler games this past decade, along with Munsters and The Beatles (and the Jetsons and Dominoes). Led Zeppelin somehow manages to be shallow and math chess at the same time.

Seems like it isn't worth the money if you had the cabinet in a line up of pins, as you would never see it. Unless you just want the bragging rights? Maybe butter cab will be the true LE? The FOMO Topper is the only thing making me want the CE

Jokes on you. My purchasing software on my Vic20 will guarantee me spot #2. Aww yeah, Motorola 816 bit power baby.

I’m really loving my JP & the rules. They’re great! They work perfectly with that design. I also love my Iron Man which is way simpler, but it totally rules & is super addicting. If I ever whittled my collection down to a small one, it would definitely include games like TNA & Iron Man….but that’s me. Everyone has different needs. Not everyone needs or wants ultra deep, even in a small collection. Good is good. Depth as a “must” is subjective.

Tired of sitting on the fence. Its starting to hurt!! Show us some gameplay!!!

I'm extremely jealous of those of you who love either theme or have space for large collections. I'd be buying either of these versions if the theme warranted space in my small 4 pin collection, or if I had room for more pins that could be further down my priority list.

One of you operators in the Seattle area need to pick this up so I can play it on location

Different strokes…I think Spooky’s regular cabs look awesome, colorful, and smooth. Good enough for me. Some people need the top of the line or they cry. Only you know what works for you.

Whatcha' talkin bout "Willis artwork".

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I can't buy without seeing a proper gameplay video, and Charlie, being the super nice reasonable guy he is shouldn't expect anyone to.

Absolutely, I keep three deep games at home and the rest on location. I love to play them all but the tough ones to master tend to stay where I can play anytime...and focus without bar distractions.

Yeah, maybe the for sale date was a little too soon. We could have waited another day or 2 before buying.

Thing is, as many have said, it probably won't matter one bit.

How?

They set a Price and had a limit for production and Sold Out.

They didn't miss out on a dime.