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Spokane Washington repeals $25/year Amusement Devices fee

By oldbaby

4 months ago



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    #1 4 months ago

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/jun/15/amusement-devices-fees-repealed/

    "The license fees are a relic from the first half of the 20th century, a time when pool tables were the source of disputes that had to be resolved by police. The fees helped offset the cost of the city’s response.

    In his March letter to the City Council, Carroll said that 'the need for police involvement has decreased to almost zero.'"

    Important quote:
    "City officials had also signaled support for the fee waiver, arguing the revenue isn’t worth the effort of collection."

    Preceding article with more information:
    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/may/20/pac-man-gets-a-tax-break-city-of-spokane-considers/

    I see the potential for other cities to repeal similar licensing fees.
    Edit: and I suggest that operators write a letter or attend a city council meeting and raise the issue.

    #2 4 months ago

    Wow!
    Good job Spokane.

    #3 4 months ago

    Wow, that's pretty significant for coin op. I rarely ever hear about fees for anything being repealed. Once they're on the books, they rarely disappear.

    #4 4 months ago
    Quoted from oldbaby:

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/jun/15/amusement-devices-fees-repealed/
    "The license fees are a relic from the first half of the 20th century, a time when pool tables were the source of disputes that had to be resolved by police. The fees helped offset the cost of the city’s response.
    In his March letter to the City Council, Carroll said that 'the need for police involvement has decreased to almost zero.'"
    Important quote:
    "City officials had also signaled support for the fee waiver, arguing the revenue isn’t worth the effort of collection."
    Preceding article with more information:
    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/may/20/pac-man-gets-a-tax-break-city-of-spokane-considers/
    I see the potential for other cities to repeal similar licensing fees.

    Hell yeah! Coin op and “vintage” barcades have been paving the way to get rid of these ridiculous fees and licenses. I’ve mentioned many times how they’re best to ignore. In local municipalities they’ve literally told me “we don’t care and can’t be bothered” and one said “we weren’t aware there was even a license on the books!”
    That’s how disused and archaic they are. Cities can’t be assed when they make BANK off all the crazy new fines and fees.

    #5 4 months ago

    But.... then you have big FEC’s like d&b, round 1, main event, that work these dumb fees into their business model and pay them, so they have no chance of being repealed. Check out some of the fees in md. I’m glad I’m not in the vending part of this business anymore.

    Baltimore county:
    $200 per year operator license, $225 per game per year permit, $50 per game “placement” fee (which you’re supposed to pay every time you swap a game to get another permit printed).

    Baltimore city:
    $200 per year operator license, $180 per game/year permit

    Anne Arundel county:
    $2000 (no I didn’t miss a zero, that’s thousand) annual operator license. $100 per game fee. Location is allowed up to 8 games. If location has more than 8 games, they must pay the arcade license instead, which is $5000 (thousand). Crabtowne pays the $5000 every year.

    Carroll county:
    $75 per machine per year. Plus $1 “handling” fee (the $1 always made me laugh lol)

    Cecil county
    $125 per machine per year (you know, they have to make money off all the cows and horses)

    Washington county
    $125 per machine (they have to tax all the meth heads and Steelers fans)

    These permits are all enforced, either by LCB or by the respective county’s code enforcement division. Washington county will unplug your games on first offense. Anne arundel warns you first, then CONFISCATES them. Baltimore county warns you first, then fines you per day.

    This does not include excise tax charged on income by the state in most jurisdictions, which is up to 10% of GROSS income.

    Maryland sucks a fat turd.

    #6 4 months ago

    Honestly, the Spokane permit was probably repealed because it may have been to expensive to enforce. We had the same thing happen in Maryland with a bulk vending (capsule machine/toys) that was repealed a few years ago.

    #7 4 months ago
    Quoted from Guidotorpedo:

    But.... then you have big FEC’s like d&b, round 1, main event, that work these dumb fees into their business model and pay them, so they have no chance of being repealed. Check out some of the fees in md. I’m glad I’m not in the vending part of this business anymore.
    Baltimore county:
    $200 per year operator license, $225 per game per year permit, $50 per game “placement” fee (which you’re supposed to pay every time you swap a game to get another permit printed).
    Baltimore city:
    $200 per year operator license, $180 per game/year permit
    Anne Arundel county:
    $2000 (no I didn’t miss a zero, that’s thousand) annual operator license. $100 per game fee. Location is allowed up to 8 games. If location has more than 8 games, they must pay the arcade license instead, which is $5000 (thousand). Crabtowne pays the $5000 every year.
    Carroll county:
    $75 per machine per year. Plus $1 “handling” fee (the $1 always made me laugh lol)
    Cecil county
    $125 per machine per year (you know, they have to make money off all the cows and horses)
    Washington county
    $125 per machine (they have to tax all the meth heads and Steelers fans)
    These permits are all enforced, either by LCB or by the respective county’s code enforcement division. Washington county will unplug your games on first offense. Anne arundel warns you first, then CONFISCATES them. Baltimore county warns you first, then fines you per day.
    This does not include excise tax charged on income by the state in most jurisdictions, which is up to 10% of GROSS income.
    Maryland sucks a fat turd.

    It always makes me sad when I am in Baltimore and see how few places have pinball. That market is ripe for location pinball, but the fee cost is a burden for most, i'm sure. Hats off to Holy Frijoles for playing the game.

    #8 4 months ago
    Quoted from JodyG:

    It always makes me sad when I am in Baltimore and see how few places have pinball. That market is ripe for location pinball, but the fee cost is a burden for most, i'm sure. Hats off to Holy Frijoles for playing the game.

    Maryland is pretty well represented now. Frijoles is owned by a guy who loves pinball and integrated into his business, regardless of cost. Moms pins are owned by the ceo of the grocery store, so money not an issue there. Spinners is a non profit. Crabtowne has been around for decades.

    Everyone else: lots of luck. Probably not happening.

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