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*SPOILERS* Star Wars: TLJ is really bad and other Star Wars/Disney/Marvel talk *

By InfiniteLives

1 year ago

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    #818 1 year ago

    haha wow...wow. I was amazed at how much I liked Force Awakens; but this one felt like you had to purposely try to a make a movie that bad.

    EDIT: I'll give them this much, they give you a SHITLOAD of "Star Warsy" stuff; It's packed with it.

    #821 1 year ago
    Quoted from judremy:

    My biggest problems with the movie:

    How anyone's list cannot involve Leia pulling a Hulk Hogan in space is beyond me. That was the single worst moment in SW history bar non. Worse than Jar Jar, worse than "NOOOO!," worse than speeches aboot sand, worse than the blind guy in Rebel one.

    #852 1 year ago
    Quoted from BC_Gambit:

    I don't hear any(?) actual criticism of the "directing" on this film, it seemed competently made. The complaining has had to do with the writing.

    Oh I am for sure. That fight scene with Rey & Solo vs. the dumb red guards was atrocious; I thought I was watching Kung-Fu Theatre.
    And the editing was equally bad. The whole long distance force phone was handled very ham fistedly (sic)

    EDIT: Back to the directing the overall tone just felt bad right out of the gate and didn't get any better.
    I was pumped to start after the credits and then Fishers Daughter starts out the movie with some of the worst acting I've ever scene followed directly by General Hux, fine in the TFA but apparently been studying acting by watching Fletch in the interim, in a horribly awkward really bad tit for tat with Poe (hey why does everyone like this guy so much) Dameron

    #855 1 year ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    The director wrote it as well, correct?

    Sure it's been questioned but i have no idea what level of involvement/pressure/rules The SW people crack down on directors. I know it Marvel it's utterly smothering and you don;t have a ton of say in how things evolve. Athough...

    "Expectations are high for Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and it appears Disney and Lucasfilm are happy with the way the film turned out: today, Disney announced that its director, Rian Johnson, will be launching an entirely new trilogy in the Star Wars franchise."

    So seems everyones happy with each other?

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    I think the Poe actor over acts and is hard to believe what he's portraying.

    Which leads to script & directing. General Hux & Poe are fine actors in other things and were good in TFA, but not well done here. Poe's biggest issue was he was just a total frikking spaz. Like watching Dick Richie act in True Romance

    #859 1 year ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    Well, for them, the important thing has happened. It's making money. When the snoke, er, smoke clears, probably around 2 billion!

    Yeah and again it had some awesome ass parts, but that's cause there are 10,000 SW ideas thrown at a wall.
    One big issue for me was the return to the prequels feel. TFA wiped away all that filthy feeling which is why it was so good.
    Now here we are at the Monte Carlo gambling scene?!? Are we sure Lucas didn't sneak in and direct some of this?

    Quoted from fishbone:

    It happened with the prequels also.

    It happened with the originals too...are people acting like Lucas wrote all 3 at once?

    And i swear hollywood, Andy Serkis isn;t the only guy that can pull off what you're looking for. Snoke with his rock star PJs...uff.

    #866 1 year ago

    Man having to watch Carrie Fisher that much was brutal...what a disaster she was.

    #897 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Also, anyone else thinks Benicio was channeling "Fencer" from The Usual Suspects?

    I was still trying to figure out if the red lapel guy in the crasino was Rob Lowe at that point.

    #912 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    what I dont' get from ep 7, is how did lukes fathers lightsaber even get back into anyones possession?

    Don't worry I'm sure they'll make a movie constructed completely around filling that plot hole and blow it

    #937 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    All the issues during production are already well documented. The firing of the directors. The reshooting of up to 80% of the movie. An unworkable tonally-incorrect script? The dialog coach hired to help Alden Ehrenreich with all his scenes? I guarantee Disney would love to scuttle the whole project, about a story (Han meets Chewie) that honestly did not need to be told.

    Well it worked fine with Rogue One.

    J/K that thing was a mess.

    #941 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Rogue One had some reshoots to fix the pacing & climax of the film.

    OK well did they ever fix it? Becasue the climax of the film was just as bad as this shit sandwich

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Not because the script was misguided comedic romp like Solo,....

    See Solo being a funny guy movie makes sense, cause that's his Schick at least. Why everyone in this movie was a comedian was beyond me.

    #943 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    I bet a brilliant tactician like Ackbar ...

    OK man I think you may be in too deep here

    #945 1 year ago

    Why Is Snoke a computer character?
    Why does Phasma still have a job? I mean in the movie and in real life? Such a nothing character.
    Talk aboot a nothing character; poor Finn. Charatcer was jack shit in this one.
    I hate the fanboy shit they have introduced. First it was blindy blowing the force in Rogue #2 shits and now it's Rose Tico

    #947 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    I guess that means our lactating mutated manatee friend that gives sweet, sweet green milk is safe!

    What are you talking ab...ohh no....seriously? That wasn't Carrie Fisher in the milking scene? OK the movie makes a little more sense now.

    #949 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    ick...that's his sister.

    Series is so much better with incest.

    #957 1 year ago

    Had a buddy say he enjoyed it more the second time as well.
    Let's make one thing clear, even with Laura Dern, this thing was WAY better than the prequels

    #964 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I know a lot of people didn't dig Laura Dern's hair, but I was thrown off by the fact that she was commanding an armada in a ball gown. If second-in-command types were supposed to be in formal wear, where was Poe's tux?

    It wasn't the hair since there are aliens around. It wasn't the ball gown because they've had ball gowns in the past. Just didn't fit. Plus the story around her was so dumb it didn't help

    A lot of it is age. People that think the prequels are acceptable are usually younger and grew up with them, or watched them with their kids and enjoyed them that way

    . Or are drug addicts.

    #969 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Sound better than the complete crap writing we've gotten so far with this new trilogy? Yeah I thought so. This stuff practically writes itself.

    Sounds like an interesting idea for a spinoff. Also sounds like nothing Lucas would have done.

    #971 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Two movies in & still have no clue what they are.

    Agreed. Look I was depressed when Ren smashed his helmet form the get go...that voice was cool.

    #975 1 year ago
    Quoted from John1210:

    After a 2nd viewing I'll have to agree to disagree with you here. In particular revenge of the sith is a significantly better SW movie.

    Fair enough, Its personal pref . but The movie that brought us NOOOOOOOOOO, "I have the high ground," dying of a broken heart, a robot with lung cancer, Palpatine s No no no no etc... Not exactly a high water mark.

    #980 1 year ago

    Yeah whatever man. The fact the prequels 'make sense' doesn't make everything else horrible aboot them disappear. Lazy writing vs Lucas writing... Look nobody is coming out smelling like roses here.

    #982 1 year ago

    Cared about anakin , padma, Jimmy Smitts, Mace windu? 100,0000,000000 clones, twice as many droids, the younglings, the Senate... Wtf are you talking aboot?

    #987 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    more invested in those characters than anything in TLJ
    do you like kylo rens struggle between light/dark more than anakins?

    Agree to disagree on the first point.

    I actually like Kylo's better. But other than perfectly flossing the whinny & entitled millennial attitude so well, he doesn't have much to go against.
    Anakin in 2 & 3 (jesus whom would have thought the kid in #1 would be better) is possibly the worst character portrayal of a main character all time. There is not 1 believable line/action at any point in the movies. It's so bad and laughable it's C-movie type stuff.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    if people are saying to look past all the BS in TLJ, then they should be able to look past the BS in 1 2 3 lol.

    Hey man that's 3 movies full of garbage against 1, no fair!

    #990 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    lol ill give ya that

    We'll pick this point up after the next movie

    After I see it on Redbox

    #993 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    For me, Rogue One is the worst SW film. (and it's hard to imagine how much worse it was before reshoots)

    Thank you. I like Gareth Edwards previous work so i always figured the "re shoots" actually made it worse...but that's probably wishful thinking.

    #996 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    really? mace? He is a good character? Really indepth written character?

    "You you believe it to be this boy?"


    #998 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    Describe Mace Windu as to a person who has never seen star wars.

    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Easy. Threshold Guardian style characte in the form of a warrior priest.

    Yeah that should go over well

    #1000 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    so you are saying he's about as in depth as the emperors royal guards? Because both were about as useful.

    Mace Windu is such a complex character anyone speaking of him immediately changes the subject to Qui Gon Jinn

    #1005 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    I didn't see him guardian for anything or anyone. He was more like a bouncer at a bar, that decides if you can get in or not.

    Jedi's are the cops and Mace Windu is the shitty luitentant. Not the loud one that you enjoy in cop comedies, but the shitty one that does nothing.

    #1010 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    He’s the guy with the purple lightsaber that has “bad mother fucker” engraved on it.

    This and more interesting facts aboot characters are not in the movie.

    #1013 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    so which characters in the last jedi have great character development?

    Snoke I think had a good arc in his back sitting on his throne in his jammies.

    #1018 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I didn’t much care for Rogue One myself, but Vader wreaking havoc on Leia’s ship in the last five minutes was worth the price of admission.

    Oh man it was so great. Of course didn't with anything else but whatever.

    #1020 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    ...because of a nicely laid out storyline pieces.

    And once again benefited by George Lucas not being able to do too much by putting him in New Hope.

    #1038 1 year ago
    Quoted from Flowst:


    "With $1.04 billion worldwide, Walt Disney's sci-fi actioner is now the third-biggest grosser worldwide of 2017, behind Beauty and the Beast ($1.26 billion) and Fate of the Furious ($1.23b). But it's only a matter of time, and the only question will be if it ends up closer to Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.4b) or Jurassic World ($1.6b). But remember, $1.448b would be a 30% drop from The Force Awakens ($2.068b), which again would be par for the course for Star Wars sequels."

    "The film opens in China this Friday, the last major marketplace in which it hasn't played, and frankly, it's a coin toss as to how it will do there. The Force Awakens flamed out ($125 million from a $33m opening day) and Rogue One barely topped $69m. I'd argue that Star Wars just isn't as big of a deal in China as it is in North America. But who is to say that its rebuttal of western-centric "triumph of the individual" mythology won't be appealing? It doesn't need China, but I'll still be interested to see how it plays out."

    I don't know how much China matters. I've read the numbers are always sketchy anyway because Amercian companies don;t get the same cut as other countries.

    #1047 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    "Wait! Luke is doing this for a reason.......He's giving us time to escape!!!!"

    God Poe is SO BAD. I'd take 2 roses instead of Poe.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    His insuborination led to the death of his fellow pilots, the loss of an entire bomber division, he stages a failed mutiny,....

    Well you might not have liked that but you know whom did? The 2 top ranking leaders of the Rebellion.
    This Poe...what a guy eh? Yeah his spunk is awesome!

    #1050 1 year ago

    Yes I know all the tie in stuff but star wars just isn't popular in China.

    #1052 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    But it certainly could be popular there. It just needs to improve its content.

    Now you're equating a "good product" with box office numbers? If only it were up to the quality level of the Transformers movies which make bank there

    #1064 1 year ago
    Quoted from guyincognito:

    I hope the next film is just 100% Space Ghosts.

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    #1067 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    Force users can push and pull things with the force. This is nothing new. So I don't get the hate? Is it the way it was filmed, or the act of pulling her way back to the ship?

    Because she isn't a "force user."

    But more than anything it was SO badly done; Just looked so horrible.

    #1073 1 year ago

    Well yeah it's pretty well stated/shown that Luke left his training early and gets his dick knocked in the dirt by Vader. The only reason he wasn't sliced into quarters was they were trying to turn him to the sexy side. By ROTJ time, don;t know if it's stated but it's made to look like a good amount of time, his whole demeanor is changed and he's all grow'd up.

    Quoted from Pimp77:

    I dislike the protagonist so much that I actually want the dark side to win to wrap up this trilogy.

    I'm almost a lifer routing for the Empire. I actually routed for no-one in the prequels since Maul was a bad ass but thrown away and the only bad guy is the empo...senator palpatine No no no no

    #1082 1 year ago
    Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

    back to help out 20 years later.

    With the force!

    #1087 1 year ago
    Quoted from cait001:

    Only things I didn't care for .... and the shiny stormtrooper appearance seemed forced into an already packed plot.

    Hey remember my shiny ass?
    No...none of us did or care at all. Completely pointless.

    #1091 1 year ago

    For the record

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    #1094 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    Wrong. It was established in Return of the Jedi that Leia is strong with the force. Yoda referred to her as another hope. Luke also said that she would eventually learn to use the force as he did. So therefore is it reasonable to assume that over 30 years, she leaned how to use the force to move objects (including herself in the fashion Shen did). She is therefore by definition a force user.

    That's great if this where the first in the trilogy, but it isn't and they didn't hint to anything in the first one. And fine, they don;t have to tell me every little thing but the main reason this movie isn't great is the 2 totally diff'rent directions by 2 directors.

    JJ Abrams on Laea not using the force at all...TFA

    "It was a great question, and one that we talked about quite a bit, even with Carrie [Fisher]…Why did she not take advantage of this natural Force strength that this character had. And one of the answers was that it was simply a choice that she made, that her decision to run the Rebellion, and ultimately this Resistance, and consider herself a General, as opposed to a Jedi. It was simply a choice that she took."

    #1100 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Fair enough, although you could imagine Madeline Albright wearing that getup,...Regardless, Laura Dern's slinky evening wear number was several more steps removed from professional garb.

    If you got it flaunt it baby!

    Quoted from Pimp77:

    It’s not that she is strong in the force...it’s because she’s blown into f@&$ing space without any spacesuit and isn’t dead.

    Oh: and Admiral Ackbar is unceremoniously killed and forgotten. WTF???

    1. Too True
    2. Akbar is just a cog in the machine. He got his face time in ROTJ and that's all that was needed.

    #1103 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Even the director Rian Johnson is staring to flee and has stated JJ Abrams can reverse changes he made.
    Whats Abrams going to do?

    Well we all knew that was coming cause JJ was making the next one.

    Slingshot was funny, but he'll frikken bring back Phasma for sure, he'll 100000% bring back Luke because he's pissed as a lot of the viewers and hammil's the way they can win them back. Jesus what else...explain the Princess Poppins thing ASAP, not be so racist aboot Finn hopefully...can;t think of anything else of the top but man he's gonna do a lot.
    EDIT: Oh Rey's parents being nobody was a lie

    #1126 1 year ago

    I don't know anyone that thought it was going to end up good from the original idea. Almost impossible to please people recasting a super iconic character like Han.

    #1131 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    you assume Disney cares about it being a good movie.

    You don;t need the Black Knight here to tell you this is not true

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Clearly they dont mind shitting on the franchise

    You also have to realize they may be trying to skew the direction of everything to the younger kids and not old jaded SW folks.
    That's always what I think they are up @ Disney.

    #1136 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    As one reviewer pointed out Disney planned on the Star Wars franchise crapping out golden eggs for years and years..

    By the looks of it the eggs are still worth 1 billion per movie.

    #1139 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    This is a false number people ....

    Current domestic take is $574,483,043, for the sake of argument Disney's cut is $287,241,521 or 50%

    So right now we're at the same place Avengers 2 settled with; is it a bomb? A flop? Or are the more false numbers I'm missing?

    Or the same numbers as CA: Civil War.

    EDIT: Maybe they were bombs but I've never heard any of that.

    #1142 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    This doesn't count how much money is allocated per SW movie towards paying off the 4 billion that was given to Lucas.

    This is irrelevant; Disney's just fine in the books department. They can settle a tab if needed.

    #1144 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Depends on how much was spent on making the film and marketing is the ultimate question not to mention studio expectations.

    Put it in Joe 6 pack terms- If my paycheck gross is $1000 a week but taxes, alimony and child support takes $900 I'm in pretty tough shape holding $100.

    Are you implying that the marvel movies I've mentioned spent a considerable amount less in advertising? Man that would be hard to believe...shit is everywhere.

    The problem with Joe Six pack is he doens't have a toy line, lunch box line, my kids jammies line...and he sure as shit doesn't sell DVDs.

    #1147 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Thank you for reminding me I forgot about that- Disney is also coughing up upwards of a billion dollars if not more for Galaxies Edge Star Wars attraction.

    I think you have a very narrow view on this. Here, let me find you some more Disney Monies

    From TFA article

    "These figures, however, do not even factor in the total US$5 billion in merchandise sales expected in 2016. And it’s the success on this front that ensure Star Wars will endure in our thoughts and imaginations."

    Hey let's say TFA bombed too (it didn't) and they only made 3 Billion on toys. There's you Star Wars Attraction.

    #1151 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    No I'm stating quoting the gross without taking the costs into account is like looking at your paycheck and ignoring deductions.

    One article I'm reading in the New York Times states on the Force Awakens alone the contractual fees and residuals to film participants is a cool 250 million dollars. That is on par with the production costs of the movie itself!

    I understand that, but YOU are also ignoring a bunch of revenue coming in.

    No doubt...My point it is is clearing 1 Billion and probably 1.4, aint the worst thing in the world & my guess (!) is by the end it will pay for itself many times over. I understand everyone is crying now and they say they wont see the next one but most of them will. And if they don;t kids will...kids are the cash flow not angry pinheads!

    EDIT: too true on ESPN...man I remember watching it religiously before and i can;t stand it now besides maybe 3 shows & one of those if football.

    #1154 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    If the movie fails, so will the downstream revenue products. Who wants to buy loser toys?

    Nothing like it was for our toys no doubt, but they are still SW toys. You have to think less "Leae with Force Grip" and more "Star Wars Legos."

    #1158 1 year ago

    Frikkin Tripod really? Man I bet the move over from Geocities was a doozey

    #1166 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Then again you don't have to look too far to see how Disney feels about TLJ than RJ being shown the door and old bland Mr. Lens Flash brought back for Ep 9 to do damage control.

    Yeah man they rewarded him with his own trilogy. But again whatever...they can shitcan him anytime which is standard these days.

    #1168 1 year ago

    Whom knows....we live in a world where they make new Fantastic 4 movies...anything is possible

    #1170 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:


    Man you must be a fan if you actually watched it. What a shit show from beginning to end production wise. Han Solo is almost getting as bad as this was

    #1196 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Technically he has moved movie making forward visually but Avatar was a heavy handed poop show story wise.

    Avatar is a complete and utter piece of shit from the first frame forward. The ONLY thing it had going for it was Stephen Lang.

    #1199 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    I like the avatar pinball machine more than any of the star wars pinball machines

    Well obviously Avatar didn;t hurt your but so much so I understand.

    #1208 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    You need to shop around, you're overpaying for everything.

    Just what I was thinking...man I'd be pissed if my SW cost 8K too.

    #1217 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I get that you feel they've destroyed the franchise because "SJW" or whatever

    Ding Ding.

    Man that Chinese market shit has to stop. As I posted long ago China don't do SW and they never have. Sequels don't do as well so they already knew it wasn;t going to give them the tiny bit they got for TFA, so what little amount isn't really worth talking aboot. And as I also mentioned before the take home from China isn;t as big as other places so that small number is even smaller.

    EDIT: So far it's done 100mil less in China. What do they get from that 20-30 -40%? Not the end of the world.

    #1224 1 year ago

    Yes and TFA did 128ish making it 100 million less...like I just said

    #1228 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I agree TLJ made a bunch of money, but the damage done to the franchise is almost impossible for Disney to recover from. When you have a movie that alienates your fan base it is felt on future movie releases.

    Haha Over dramatic much?

    #1235 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    I think the biggest take away for me, and others I have spoken to who didn't like it much, is that we don't give a f what happens in the next episode.
    Will be interesting to see how the numbers play out in the future.
    This will definitely be the first one i don't purchase.

    I will be very interested myself. There s gonna be a bunch of damage control by JJ before would be my guess and once everyone is promised to make things better most people will be back in the theatre.
    Are you not counting Solo movie as a SW moving you won't be seeing?

    #1244 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    But if Disney feels they've left a bunch of money on the table by pissing off graying space nerds, ....

    Well I think what I've learned is that is an over simplification of things. Every male person I know around my age, 38-46 let's say, hates the Prequels. I literally am close friends with NOT ONE person that thinks they are anything more than a comedy watch because of how bad they are. But a lot of people here, I would presume many older, think they are acceptable and better than these last 2 which is very interesting.

    It's pretty mixed on R1, most people loved TFA, and I think only 1 person really dug TLJ but he usually goes on a bunch of ketamine and shit so that data is sketchy.

    There's all kinds out there.

    I'll go check out the next one probably but I'll have more free time by then. Don;t have any plans on seeing Solo but I'll wait till the trailer. But I haven't been interested in a Ron Hoard movie in 15+ years.

    #1257 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    To do damage control they have to first admit they made some mistakes here or there...

    Yes maybe I'm using the wrong term. I don;t mean like an actual institutional apology and admist that it was the disaster it was, but more of just really focusing on this one being more like TFA. I feel liek whilst they may be in complete denial, JJ just has to be so goddamn pissed.

    #1259 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I don't know how pissed JJ is --...

    Fair point. Look obviously he ins't going to say he's pissed but yeah maybe he likes everything in it? It's just weird becasue it's all the opposite of what he did. Maybe when you're getting paid so much whom gives a shit and we can just do whatever they want and laugh all the way to the bank.

    Quoted from fosaisu:

    does he have the balls to do yet another Death Star?

    #1281 1 year ago
    Quoted from Jam_Burglar:

    I can't even fathom how people have high expectations about anything Star Wars related after Episode 1. It was painfully clear after that disaster that the Star Wars we all knew and loved was dead. Episode 2 was just, so, so bad. Episode 3 almost fooled me by being "dark" but over time I realized it was just pandering.

    you gotta be careful around here with anti Prequel talk! Pinside has the highest (only?) percentage of adult males that thought those things were awesome. It's kind of like how most non South American Iron Maiden fans are here too.

    #1289 1 year ago

    Ha! That's a good one.

    #1295 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    So many people mistake Star Wars for Science Fiction instead of fantasy,...

    Oh lord not that old chesnut? That's the what we used to say to each other in high school; not late breaking news.

    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Have you forgotten the midichlorians?!? Worst idea ever.

    As an idea; completely the worst. NOOOOOO almost surpassed it but Force Poppins holds the crown.

    #1318 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    God damn these "female director rumors" just make me cringe.

    Wow man, I'm no SJW but that's really amazingly ignorant.
    What exactly are you afraid she'll do that hasvn't been done already by a man like Rain?

    #1321 1 year ago

    I didn;t know his name was "Rian" until recently because I had never seen it spelled that way. The guy just maid (!) a complete piece of shit movie...I don't understand how it is assumed it would be worse with a chica.

    #1323 1 year ago

    Ah Rainn is Dwight Schrute

    #1325 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Ridley Scott on the idea of the rookie SW directors and him directing a SW movie:...When you get a guy who’s done a low-budget movie and you suddenly give him $180 million, it makes no sense whatsoever. It’s fuckin’ stupid. You know what the reshoots cost?...
    Grow into it, little by little. Start low-budget, get a little bit bigger, maybe after $20 million, you can go to $80. But don’t suddenly go to $160.

    Jeez he is old. Not the way the industry works now.

    #1330 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I'm excited for Jumanji, though I haven't seen it yet. The Rock has some drawing power.

    It's really going to be tested for the Rampage movie. Just started seeing trailers...so weird.

    2 weeks later
    #1391 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Who wants to bet that Rian Johnson's trilogy is dead in the water & he quietly moves onto other projects within 6 months?

    I do.

    #1403 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    And a series of TV shows.
    Interesting to witness in a way, a company destroying a franchise in real time.
    Rather than go slow and turn out a quality product (Think what Pixar was at one time) they are going to shotgun the market with as much as possible.
    People will just get sick of being bombarded with sub-par product and stop going.

    Once again yiu can blame them, worked with Marvel.

    #1409 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    The problem with the Marvel movies is they feel like there are no stakes. None of the good guys die. They don’t even get injured.

    And even if they do, like Quicksilver in Avengers 2, don't worry the other better non Russian Quicksilver is still alive in the other movies.

    There are good ones of course liek Avengers 1, Logan was pretty good...but just rinse & repeat. I finally got bored enough to watch Deadpool and it was 100% exactly what I thought it would be.

    #1413 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    "sub-par product"
    Clearly the Marvel studio ISN'T turning out sub-par stuff.

    Sure I guess if you say so. They seem to be turning out some hot garbage but also some good things. When SW gets up to 10 releases a year let's see what happens. Might have it worked out by then.

    3 weeks later
    #1449 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    What was in it for them to fawn over the movie so irresponsibly like they did?

    Why does anyone do it? I just (barely) made it through Wonder Woman which is maybe the worst Super Hero movie I've seen since Daredevil; and it's sitting at 98% fresh. Literally, and I don't say this lightly, Suicide Squad was better.

    Half way through I was hoping league of Extraordinary Gentlemen was on another channel.

    #1456 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    The movie that ended Sean Connery's acting career!

    Oh I know, hopefully it will do the same for Chris Pine.

    #1462 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    I don't have the book but I know of it, Watchmen is probably the most underrated comic and movie out there...

    The movie was not well loved (I think it may be the best SH movie) but I think the Comic isn't underrated at all and usually accepted as a top Comic Strip. (?)

    #1464 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    The Watchmen movie was interesting, it was almost a literal, shot-for-shot (or shot-for-panel, I guess) version of the comic book brought to life. As a fan that's what I would always say I want when a book I love is translated to film, but it doesn't always work in practice. That said, it's great source material and a great cast. I should watch it again ...

    See I'm on the other end where I don't know the strip at all, so the movie was the same (almost) and as good as when you read the comic.
    It's probably the only lasting thing Snyder will make and even to this day the ramp effects don't totally ruin it. I think along with Dark Knight it's the only movie like that I constantly get sucked into watching when I run past it. And story wise it's well above TDK which is basically just Heath Ledger.

    #1476 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Story was awful, and she’s a lousy actress IMO.

    Yeah she wasn't very good but whom was in that sack of shit.
    I mean seriously the Stereotype Scotsman, 'Merican Indian, & Moroccan? So bad.

    #1478 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    The "mods" to the Falcon were just done for sales reasons, so they have a shiny new toy to sell.
    No cash for Disney from my pockets or my family.

    Haha...new to toys are you?

    #1482 1 year ago

    Well now we'll have a new John Favreau SW Series to rag on. I mean I won;t because it will be on Disney streaming service; uff.

    Not a fan of the Iron Man series really. First one was fine for the time, 2nd wasted talent, and the 3rd was horrendous.

    #1484 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    They are going to pound SW down our throats, run it into the ground, and give everyone SW burnout.

    I always have to mention the Marvel side of it where it's working just fine. And before we go there, tons of Marvel shit sucks ass. Movies, TV shows, Streaming Shows...it's never ending and people are still slurping it.

    Now having said that, I'm more interested in the other shit that has nothing to do with the main arc, because I think a lot of us are over that.

    EDIT: Oh and agree the Rian Trilogy is just a horrible idea.

    #1490 1 year ago

    I want it adult skewed too....like REALLY adult. Yiubjnwknwhat I'm talking aboot... Blue milk squirting everywhere!

    1 week later
    #1514 1 year ago

    Man that flick looks horrendous

    #1522 1 year ago

    Trying to think of the last time Spielberg directed anything interesting. Lincoln was probably good but not exactly pump up material.

    #1526 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    I guess Disney owning literally everything has its upsides, one-stop shopping if you've got $$ to burn on licensing ...

    Not if you're spielberger...probably would have got the old buddy discount by George before!

    #1531 1 year ago
    Quoted from Geocab:

    I enjoyed War Horse.

    Alyeska that's Spielberg... I would probably enjoy most of them, but I haven't said "oh awesome a Spielberg movie 8s coming out" in a long as time.

    Quoted from kvan99:

    The last one I liked was AI. Probably cause he just directed, Kubrick wrote the whole damn thing.

    If the point of AI was to really stop caring about everyone in the movie other then Teddy it was a success. god he was great. I wasn't so connected to a robot again until TARS

    #1533 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Super 8 was pretty good.

    Haha this guys has jokes!

    #1537 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    that's unfortunate. Seems anything with the SW name these days (since 1999) seems to be shit. Hopefully the SW name won't taint this movie as well.

    Force awakens was fun as shit.... Although I agree other than that.

    #1539 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Yea, fun as a pile of shit.

    Jesus can you ever just leave JM out of the conversations with me?

    #1542 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I didn’t love the TFA (it was okay), but did think it could potentially be a good lead in episode for a solid trilogy. TLJ hurts TFA’s legacy badly.

    In as far as it being apart of a trilogy it does for sure, because of course TLJ was garbage. On its own it was still great, and I'm not worried like you are aboot it's legacy, but certainly kills any chance of watching all 3 with the fam

    #1555 1 year ago

    Throne room fight scene was budget as shit. This franchise now is obsessed with giving people multiple dumb weapons that look diff'rent for no real reason. Was like a Kung Fu video game in the throne room.

    #1571 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    ...so what do you expect to happen?

    You to keep arguing with no one forever.

    #1575 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    And yet here you are.

    Here i am agreeing with everyone that this movie was total shit.

    #1577 1 year ago
    Quoted from saucerman:

    I'm sure you can remove TLJ from viewing in the triology realm and not cause and major plot disruptions between the first and the last.

    Ha they'll make a shitty 5 minute catch up to play before the 3rd. "Last time on Star Wars..."

    I mean really...please do it

    #1585 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    BUT GOD. The part where Rose stops Finn from sacrificing himself for the greater good - still awful. Worst part of movie.

    Finn should have died, completing his arc of coward-to-hero. But NO! We need a love (quadrangle?) in next movie, so keep him alive for no reason.

    Stop it...nothing is worse than Mary Poppins.

    On second viewing did they explain how Rose & Finn got back to the base?

    #1620 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    .. in TLJ not sure if she was just phoning it in or the years of drug abuse taking its toll....

    Years of drug use and drug use during is my thinking

    #1626 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Well, doesn't matter to her, she got what she wanted, your $25 for the Blu Ray!

    Plus his theatre visit

    #1635 1 year ago

    Are you upset that Streep is 'Merica's finest actress ever and Carrie Fisher was a fat bloated drug fueled carcus at the end?
    I'd rather they write her part right out of the goddman movie. Whom gives a shit aboot Laeah in anyway since ROTJ?

    #1644 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    I'm the day-walker. I dislike both R1 and TLJ.

    The problem with this little graph or any explanation of that shit movie is it doesn't explain Forrest Whitaker.
    1. why?
    2. Seriously?
    3. Wait is this really happening?
    4. why?
    5. Wait seriously?
    6. Actually really happening?
    7. WTF
    8. He needs more space pens.

    #1651 1 year ago

    In more horrible news

    'Rogue One' Screenwriter Teases 'Last Starfighter' Project

    #1656 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    Wait... are you on "Team Rogue One Sucks" with me? I thought I was alone!

    Quoted from TRAMD:

    No, I also did not like Rogue One. But I am an odd one that did like TFA.

    TFA - Thumbs up
    R1 - Horrible
    TLJ - Horrible

    The only real question is, is R1 worse than TLJ. In a way R1 is much much much worse on every single level. But no one cares because they aren't characters anyone gives a shit aboot so it isn't personal.
    TLJ actually had some sweet crap in it (I don't think R1 had any really great stuff, or if it did I don't remember it), but the lows were some o the lowest things ever put on a movie screen. Mary Poppins makes "Noooooo" look like Kenneth Brannaugh's Hamlet.

    EDIT: I mean if I HAD to watch one of them again it would be hard to choose...but I'd probably do TLJ. But then after the beginning comedy monologue I would get pissed and throw in R1.
    EDIT 2: But then after watching the beginning of R1 with ships landing 2 miles away from Death Star dudes house so they can dramatically walk towards is I'd probably throw TLJ back on.

    #1669 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    If he had any taste or film acumen he would've used Franco Zeffirelli's Hamlet not Branagh's.

    I prefer the full text...and an American as Hamlet just cut it with me. Sure... 4 hours 5 minutes is a it much but it's worth it.

    Quoted from kvan99:

    He's so wrong he's almost right. As usual.

    Ha I like that.

    Quoted from vicjw66:

    I'm always surprised to hear you guys actually claim to like TFA. That movie blew and was just a crappy retelling of the Original. Sure, it was better than anything put out since 1983, but that's not saying much.

    It was a well made fun time which is exactly what the franchise needed after being ruined by Lucas more than anyone thought possible. It's a fun flick... SW actually isn't everyone's entire life so I can enjoy things just to have fun.

    Quoted from vicjw66:

    I can't tell whether Harrison Ford just lost his acting chops somewhere along the way, or has just stopped caring and is content with phoning it in.

    Well theres nothing to wonder aboot... He openly hates all of these projects so I have no idea why he keeps doing shit. Just sit on yiur ranch in Wyoming and leave us alone.

    #1680 1 year ago
    Quoted from Geocab:

    No. Obi-wan told Luke Vader killed his father Anakin, which was the truth "from a certain point of view".
    And you're right, we can't take anything at face value because they're making up the "trilogy" as they go. No outline, no plan.
    Even with no plan, a talented writer could make his story work with what was given to them in the previous installment. Rian couldn't do that so we got a mess.

    Rey's parents being nobody, which if course is not a fact as the evil man told her that, was actually fantastic. Anytime somone in the SW universe isn't related to everyone or involved in every plot I'm happy.

    They also stole not having an outline for the trilogy from the originals

    #1685 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    The only difference is that Terrible Ted’s music is garbage...

    Whoa whoa...lots not get crazy here. He's got some sweet shit...don't deny "Stranglehold"

    #1688 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Anyone think their meeting would be any different from that?


    Quoted from vicjw66:

    All his music is garbage.

    That hurts!

    #1690 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Chewie is probably eating porgs at some dive and han saves him from the cholesterol

    By the looks of Lando in the trailer, Chewy might be walking the streets of Kashyyyk.

    #1704 1 year ago

    Trailer for Solo actually gives me a little hope (ha), but of course it's a trailer and that's what they do. After Rogue 1 I'm not surprised if all the footage is left out of the movie.
    The best part is it seems to not be involved with any other SW shiz. They'll probably go a little far down the whole Western aspect but whatever.

    #1709 1 year ago

    Man why do you want to pull more characters into that POS movie? My god I wish none of the characters I like had to live through it.

    #1712 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    .. Lando took a failed swing at Leia, but you can’t blame him...

    You can't mostly cause she's a massive raciest.

    #1714 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Fair point, she was also the raciest woman in space.

    Ba! She's all talk. Wouldn;t even give Han a solo in halls of Hoth but by the end she's in love with him? Snoooozefest.

    #1733 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    I had a good time watching it live on opening night with a giant group of friends in a rented out private theater (only the treatment of Luke, the ram, and flying Leia really bothered me in the theater).

    Wow you must have rich friends with a lot of coke because that movie sucked ass in the theatre...I mean unless you all were MSTK-ing it the whole time.

    Quoted from Underspin:

    Episode 3: Almost made up for the trilogy being a train wreck, then Darth Vader went all Frankenstein and yelled "NNNnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!"

    You should really watch it again...it's the worst/most insulting prequel.

    #1763 1 year ago
    Quoted from master_of_chaos:

    The prequels where a masterpiece compared to TLJ.

    Don't let TLJ suckiness blind you from reality....the prequels are horrible. Even if they were "better" than TLJ, which amazingly could be argued either way, it wouldn't make them a masterpiece

    #1766 1 year ago
    Quoted from master_of_chaos:

    . Disney stole/killed a lot of my life.
    I always was disapponted that Gerorge Lucas refused...

    Oh boy.

    It's a "Forest for the trees" situation here. I don't blame people for disagreeing with me, but I think this would be WORSE if Lucas had done it; because he sucks. TLJ is horrendous, but Force Awakens was a fine film, and roughly 12X better than any prequel.

    #1769 1 year ago
    Quoted from Topher5000:

    I saw TFA at Easter & was disappointed. Not much going on, most of the flying was on a planet & it didn't have the Star Wars feel. I'll watch TLJ with trepidation.

    If you didn't like TFA I wouldn't even watch TLJ... You'll go from disappointment to anger

    #1774 1 year ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    So much more peaceful when you block those who cannot be reasoned with.

    Quoted from master_of_chaos:

    The prequels where a masterpiece compared to TLJ.

    Quoted from TRAMD:

    I personally really liked both Episode 3 and TFA. ...

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    #1800 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    Just got around to watching Jedi on blu-ray which shows how low the series has fallen in my eyes...

    God i know. Whenever we watch New hope & then Empire I just skip Jedi

    #1802 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I mean ‘The last Jedi’, it was bad although the special effects were good.
    Can’t believe how badly they treated Po and was expecting Benito Del Toro to do a triple cross somehow.

    Oh yes I didn't know people needed to rewatch this to remember it sucked

    Well Po deserves everything he gets casue he's a complete tool...but yes THEY turned him in to the tool in first place.
    I was the same way aboot treating Finn poorly.
    I am happy with the treatment of Admiral Ackbar though...screw that doucher.

    #1804 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Star Trek is a much better franchise.

    Star Trek WAS the much better until JJ jacked it. New movies are complete garbage
    EDIT: Force Awakens was much better than any of the new STs

    #1809 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    In my mind they weren't buying Lucasfilm, they were buying the FANS. So now they can make a half-ass sci-fi film, slap the SW name on and BOOM! Guaranteed smash hit.

    Yes...just like the prequels Lucasfilm made.

    #1814 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Sooo, rouge one happened right before a A New Hope, but they killed off all those characters so who knows if there is any cross over with that.

    God I hope not.

    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    well, looks like ...

    Yes but we've always known this was going to happen, it's no surprise. They'll get every drop out of every character and theme they can, which is to be expected anfter the billions spent

    #1819 1 year ago

    You super Star Wars fans are so goddamn tame. Our star trek heroes have been banging alien Chicas for 50 years.

    #1823 1 year ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    Personally I couldn't care less what floats people's boat... Lando was not that type of flamboyant...


    #1836 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    . The new ST movies are great and I feel they will bring new people to ST. The Force Awakens was OK but it has lost the feel of the original 3 movies. Opinions may vary.

    I feel you ZR but I'm not really interested in "how many new people" movies bring in. The SW prequels brought in millions of young pups eager for SW that turned into older idiots that think those movies aren't pure shit.

    #1841 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    So within 7 years the Falcon went from looking like a brand new showroom, to a grimy dingy mess everywhere? Please. In order for it to be filthy,...

    So you're an expert on space grime now?

    #1843 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    You can tell disney took as much time with the script ...

    So now you've read the script?

    Look, just say you hate it, you don't need to act like you know what's happening in it to hate it.

    #1845 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    ...During that timeline, you have crossed about 10 years. Maybe more. During that time. The falcon didn't get dirtier at all. ...

    This is not evidence of anything....it's actually pretty piss poor "logic"
    Remember how your car looked for 5 years where it was basically the same? And then in the 5th year you ran into a tree and it looked shittier?
    Maybe....and stay with me here...and 18 year old Han ends up kind of hot dogging his spaceship around and making it dirty.
    Maybe he, I don't know, get's into some adventures or maybe encounters some trouble smuggling for a living and cruising around the Kessel run etc.

    The point it, your argument is stupid. Much dumber than saying "this movie looks like shit and LJ was pure shit so no thanks.
    See...that's actually makes sense.

    #1847 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    space is not dirty.

    Every single thing that ISN'T space is dirty dummy. You have seen the other movies right? Jungles, creatures, laser blasts, smuggling, neing inside a massive worm etc etc

    #1849 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    ...But, you think every single inch of the interior is going to go from spotless to filthy in 7 years?

    Chewbacca farts.

    #1852 1 year ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    The only reason the Falcon is different is to sell toys, has nothing to do with the script or continuity.

    So not Disney's fault at all.

    #1855 1 year ago

    I'd like to see it if I had time but prob won't; It looks like a fun little side mission.

    It couldn't possibly be more of a let down than R1.

    #1860 1 year ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    So I haven't read this thread but I did see the last Jedi for the first time today. I couldn't tell whether I was watching Star Wars, Star Trek, or Spaceballs. On a positive note; my 5 year old enjoyed it because it had all the characters he enjoys (BB-8, Luke, Yoda, R2D2, BB-9, Chewie, etc...)

    That's basically the entire thread. Everyone agrees it was a travesty. The break down after that is whether,
    1. It ruined your childhood
    2. It was ruined by women
    3. Ruined by PC agendas
    4. Ruined by Disney
    5. Any combination of above

    Then you can add in whether the prequels were great, if Rogue 1 was the best SW movie ever, and how many years you'll refuse to watch Star Wars material

    #1865 1 year ago
    Quoted from girloveswaffles:

    Total opposite of that. Disney wants to sell more toy, they change or add something to an existing property and sell the variant. It's in their (and most licensed properties Disney or not) marketing schemes.

    Yes, my point was the fact Lucas invented/blew up /mastered doing shit to sell action figures and way before Disney. Just like he invented making shitty sequels

    #1872 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    actually has nothing to do with any of that.

    YOU'RE argument has nothing to do with it, tons of arguments in here do though to which I was referring.

    Your argument, is that the movie sucked for some reasons which we all already all agree with so basically...actually I don't know what the shit you're end game is.

    #1875 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    And in conclusion ... he's going to Solo opening night.

    In some misguided way he's actually summed up my feeling why I would see Solo; because the Star Wars universe is basically the M.I. franchise now.
    It has nothing to do with the original movie, and it's just basic shit happening in front of you whilst you eat popcorn.
    Maybe it was the SJW (for the win), maybe it was that Kennedy chica that ruined it, maybe it was the fact in a franchise full of weird shit Laura Dern's purple hair broke the camel's back...I don't know. But as soon as FA gave me hope (HA), R1 & LJ snatched it away and it's just a franchise of silly movies not to be taken so seriously.

    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    In fact, i'll go see deadpool again on solo's opening night just to make a statement. Hell, I may do a twofer and see avengers again as well.

    Man, way to stick it Disney!

    #1878 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Admit it, you just want to see Lando getting it on with a space creature.

    That's a given before it could even enter the situation.

    #1880 1 year ago

    Yup sounds like trouble.
    ‘Solo’ Could Break $139M Stateside Memorial Day Opening Record; Global Conquest Eyes $305M+

    #1904 1 year ago

    Yeah hoaky I think we all agree Rian just did it to counteract everything that was done in TFA... So Umm... Great job Rian?

    #1911 1 year ago

    Didn't we already have a movie or 2 with like 4 billion Boba Fetts? Wasn't that interesting... Whole point of the character is he's an unknown.

    #1916 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    They can do a lot with a Boba Fett movie. Consensus #1 fan favorite character, next to Darth Vader. .

    Next to Darth Vader eh... How'd his origin movies turn out?
    And now you've got storyteller actually worse than Lucas... Ouch
    Guys love getting your faves ruined

    #1923 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    Also from what I read, this ain't no SW movie anyway, it's basically an old fashion heist movie with SW as a background.


    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Trailer for Solo actually gives me a little hope (ha),...
    The best part is it seems to not be involved with any other SW shiz. They'll probably go a little far down the whole Western aspect but whatever.

    #1926 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pimp77:

    I never got his popularity...

    The most popular characters in Star Wars are usually the ones that speak the least amount of George Lucas script.
    Boba, Chewy, R2. Han bucks the trend though

    #1928 1 year ago
    Quoted from kvan99:

    If they're doing Boba, they have to do Dr. Cornelius, the man is a legend with death sentences in 12 systems

    I thought he died in R1 when the entire city exploded with him in it....they probably will make a movie just to explain those 10 minutes

    #1934 1 year ago
    Quoted from Slash:

    But I just don't have any confidence in Disney. They are more than likely going to screw it up and ruin the character for good!

    Lucas already tried to bone Boba with with a completely shit backstory....Disney would kick the dirt over his corpse.

    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    About a 1000 times better than the SJW dumpster fire films we've been getting.

    Exactly my point. The movies might have been better, but let's face it, sans Jar Jar & maybe Padma the Darth/Anikin was just butchered to shit & the worst part. That's what this would be...not a trilogy with other shit to distract you. *shudder* just boba figuring out he's actually a warm hearted man/clone and not a bad guy
    Cause Disney and all.

    #1965 1 year ago

    "‘Solo’ Box Office Disappointment is Wake Up Call for ‘Star Wars’"

    Well I goddamn hope so

    #1971 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    How come we’re not seeing Marvel fatigue...every PotC....

    Those specific examples point more towards foreign markets which do huge numbers compared to SW. Take shit movies like Transformers that still print monies because so much % comes from outside the US.
    Marvel universe rakes in an average of probably 65ish+% non domestic compared to SW maybe 52ish%

    EDIT: I mean that's other than the fact that R1 I think was a big letdown, TLJ need not be more discussed here, and there was literally NO good news aboot Solo. For fans like us hearing "main actor needs voice work original directors kicked out" etc does not fill us with any hope (ha), if we had any.

    #1973 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    If the Star Wars product was better it would do better over seas. Bad product is the problem.

    That's why I specifically mentioned Tranformers.

    But we already know how we each feel ....over and over

    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    But it certainly could be popular there. It just needs to improve its content.

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Now you're equating a "good product" with box office numbers? If only it were up to the quality level of the Transformers movies which make bank there

    #1975 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    Ha I don't mind if people repeat themselves, I enjoy the discussion

    Oh I don't either , hard NOT to repeat in this one, I just meant that we will never agree on that point.

    EDIT; There's also the thing of "what is tanking?" Solo tanked, everyone agrees, but why is this a tank and Marvel is not?

    Solo made what, 103 US opening? And maybe the point is counting the extra holiday against them? I don't know, anyway, without going too far back with infaltion and all this beats out the openings of
    doctor strange, winter soldier, GOTG 1 (maybe some inflation there but close in numbers), & Ant Man.
    With the exception of Strange maybe (?) all these of course were getting sequels and everything was cool.

    #1977 1 year ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I haven’t seen Solo but I’m betting it’s better than TLJ but that is not saying too much.

    It would be hard not to.

    Yeah I was trying to find out Solo budget...looks like maybe 250 but I don't know if that is adding in all the re-jiggering they had to do.

    #1992 1 year ago
    Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

    That's 100% why Rose Tico, the worst SW character ever,... And yes she is worse than JarJar & LE-E7.

    Man that's tough. She's goddamn abysmal no one will deny it, but worse than JarJar I can't get on board with. Hard to take this in a vacuum though (unlike the vacuum of space which cannot affect Mary Poppins), like if Rose was in the prequels.
    At this point we've been so beaten down having an all time horrible character isn't as much of a shock to the system.

    She's worse than Ep 1 Annikin & Grevious though.

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    #2051 1 year ago

    The Hobbit killed itself by not having a script for 3 movies and just making shit up as they went